Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Heater3923]

According to you, only 1 team can wear 1 design with the same colours in 1 competition. For the sake of argument, forget WA. West Coast wore that design first in the AFL, hence they should be the only ones permitted to wear the black sash with yellow template according to your argument. But no, Richmond are the only ones wearing it, today. Also, Richmond basically wore Hawthorn's guernsey for a game in 2008, just with black instead of brown. Also, Sydney wore a red sash uniform. So, it's ludicrous to say only 1 team can wear the same design and colours, when that's not even practiced. Also, the design of the prison bars is not the same.

Where to begin with this.

Richmonds first jumper, yellow and black stripes. Moved to the sash later on. Hawthorn didn’t even have stripes until 1950.

In any event - brown and gold and black and yellow are completely different and neither side wore stripes at the same time.

Sydney originally wore white with a red sash. Then moved to a V. No team clashes with smfc so I’ve no idea what the reference is.

I don’t see anyone in the AFL/VFL wearing the same colours and style jumper.

North had to change their navy blue jumper when they came into the VFL to avoid a clash with Carlton.

North and Footscray both commenced with the same jumper as Geelong. Imagine if the dogs and north now wanted to wear the blue and white hoops because of heritage… It’d be idiotic

Would Carlton let Claremont in the AFL with their CFC jumper? Of course ****ing not and rightfully so… “but but but the CFC on Claremont is yellow not white” I hear you moan… what moron would let that clash and IP infringement ever happen??

Lets get west Adelaide in to the AFL with the same jumper as Essendon while we’re at it.

Let’s just invite the Peel Thunder in with basically the same get up as Port Power and have lightening bolts all over the jumper. Im sure Port would love that IP theft.

And the new Tasmanian team, well they should be able to wear a Melbourne demons jumper just cause North Hobart is were the Tasmanian team used to play and because … well heritage.

Any team that comes into the AFL needs to bring new IP. Port agreed to this. Now fans unhappy with this decision want to rewrite history. They are being played by their current President to deflect from his failure to bring a cup back to Alberton.

No one forced Port to wear the sbs jumper or embrace teal or have lightening bolts or copy the SA jumper or have a shit team song… they chose it all themselves and decided to sacrifice heritage for entrance into the AFL.

If port want to wear a PB variation with teal, white and black - go for it. It can’t be predominantly black and white though. I’ve no idea why the powers that be went with the SBS instead incorporating teal in the PB. That ain’t Collingwoods fault though.

If it’s good enough for nmfc to have to change jumper to avoid a clash with Carlton when they entered the VFL in 1925, then it’s good enough for Port when they entered the AFL in 97.

 

[VinnieB]

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[Smartys Power]

Yep a minnow from SA that’s currently 0-5 is really gonna strong arm us on this… yawn… we’ve heard you PA fans whinge about this for 25 plus years. Never gonna happen.

You guys chose to ditch the sanfl and come to the AFL, at the expense of Fitzroy - in agreement to have to change your nickname and colours.

Embrace the teal. And embrace the SBS jumper as it’s the only one you ever won a VFL/AFL premiership in. Choco Williams understood this - your only coach in over a 100 years of so called history that attained the highest achievement. Choco says PB don’t belong in AFL. And he’s right.

By all means though, keep whinging about the PB. All it does is fracture your identity and destabilise your club. You guys are in no man’s land never fully embracing the Port Adelaide Power and wallowing in SANFL past glory. It’s no wonder you’ve only won one flag in 20 plus years (despite the fact you should have won at least 3 in 2000-2004 with the list you had).

You guys have no identity. An sbs jumper, jumpers with lightening bolts and then a kid designed your SA knock off. And the abomination that is your grey/silver jumper. From joining the AFL all you’ve done is jump from fad to fad regarding your jumpers. You have no identity and trying to steal Collingwoods identity won’t help you.

Like I said keep fighting for the PB - it takes your fans, your club administration, coaches and players minds off what’s important - which is winning football games and premierships haha

Sounds like you’re threatened by our little ol’ minnow club.

 

[phantom13]

Port signed agreement not to use the prison bars or anything that would resemble Collingwood when Port entered the league.

I knida doubt they agreement they signed in 1996 or whatever is your real reason for not wanting them to wear their prison bar jumper

 

[davos44]

Are Port Adelaide not allowed to wear a prison bar guernsey with teal in it?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I find it flattering Port wants to be like Collingwood. Can’t say I blame them. No one outside Adelaide actually knows who they are.

Its easy. Port are the ones that recognise the black and the white.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Did they? If that’s the case, why have they worn it on multiple occasions in the AFL already?

In fact Collingwood signed an agreement letting them use it in the AFL on a regular basis (heritage round).

 

[ibd77]

In fact Collingwood signed an agreement letting them use it in the AFL on a regular basis (heritage round).

Both clubs signed an agreement with consent from the AFL however it was not disclosed to Port that heritage round would be abandoned not long after the agreement was signed.

 

[Heater3923]

Sounds like you’re threatened by our little ol’ minnow club.

Bwhahaha sure I am. Good lord.

So what you reckon, will it be mid year when the tarps are dusted off and set up at Adelaide oval??

 

[Smartys Power]

Bwhahaha sure I am. Good lord.

So what you reckon, will it be mid year when the tarps are dusted off and set up at Adelaide oval??

This is a great point you raise about the prison bar jumper. This isn’t the Bay, grow up.

 

[Engimal v3]

Port should really come up with their own guernsey ideas

 

[Falcon3518]

Not that we would even want that, but even if we did want to wear that I think Collingwood would fight against us wearing this Guernsey too.

Port magpies and Port Power are 2 different clubs. I’m pretty sure Collingwood had the black and white stripes before you anyway, you guys started off with a disgusting pink colour in the SANFL.

Since you joined our comp you cannot use the same mascot and similar guernsey as Collingwood. Pretty simple really.


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[phantom13]

Port magpies and Port Power are 2 different clubs. I’m pretty sure Collingwood had the black and white stripes before you anyway, you guys started off with a disgusting pink colour in the SANFL.

Since you joined our comp you cannot use the same mascot and similar guernsey as Collingwood. Pretty simple really.


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Being that they joined the AFL not the Richmond or Collingwood FL this is a pretty dumb statement.

 

[bomberclifford]

Port magpies and Port Power are 2 different clubs.

This just isn't true. If it was, there'd be no need for any 'agreement' about Magpies and stripes when we entered the AFL.

 

[raymond35]

Being that they joined the AFL not the Richmond or Collingwood FL this is a pretty dumb statement.

What an extraordinary comment.
And you called the other one "dumb".
Wow.

 

[phantom13]

What an extraordinary comment.
And you called the other one "dumb".
Wow.

Oh do Richmond and or Collingwood run the AFL? I didn’t realise

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yep a minnow from SA that’s currently 0-5 is really gonna strong arm us on this… yawn… we’ve heard you PA fans whinge about this for 25 plus years. Never gonna happen.

You guys chose to ditch the sanfl and come to the AFL, at the expense of Fitzroy - in agreement to have to change your nickname and colours.

Embrace the teal. And embrace the SBS jumper as it’s the only one you ever won a VFL/AFL premiership in. Choco Williams understood this - your only coach in over a 100 years of so called history that attained the highest achievement. Choco says PB don’t belong in AFL. And he’s right.

By all means though, keep whinging about the PB. All it does is fracture your identity and destabilise your club. You guys are in no man’s land never fully embracing the Port Adelaide Power and wallowing in SANFL past glory. It’s no wonder you’ve only won one flag in 20 plus years (despite the fact you should have won at least 3 in 2000-2004 with the list you had).

You guys have no identity. An sbs jumper, jumpers with lightening bolts and then a kid designed your SA knock off. And the abomination that is your grey/silver jumper. From joining the AFL all you’ve done is jump from fad to fad regarding your jumpers. You have no identity and trying to steal Collingwoods identity won’t help you.

Like I said keep fighting for the PB - it takes your fans, your club administration, coaches and players minds off what’s important - which is winning football games and premierships haha

A lot of meaningless words from someone who has zero idea about Port Adelaide's identity.

Choco cares about Choco and feels that his personal legacy will be damaged if the Power brand is minimised in place of the Prison Bars. He's wrong, but mainly he's self interested.

 

[Carringbush2010]

This just isn't true. If it was, there'd be no need for any 'agreement' about Magpies and stripes when we entered the AFL.

There isn't an argument, there's an agreement Port can wear their bars in heritage rounds and that's it.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Where to begin with this.

Richmonds first jumper, yellow and black stripes. Moved to the sash later on. Hawthorn didn’t even have stripes until 1950.

In any event - brown and gold and black and yellow are completely different and neither side wore stripes at the same time.

Sydney originally wore white with a red sash. Then moved to a V. No team clashes with smfc so I’ve no idea what the reference is.

I don’t see anyone in the AFL/VFL wearing the same colours and style jumper.

North had to change their navy blue jumper when they came into the VFL to avoid a clash with Carlton.

North and Footscray both commenced with the same jumper as Geelong. Imagine if the dogs and north now wanted to wear the blue and white hoops because of heritage… It’d be idiotic

Would Carlton let Claremont in the AFL with their CFC jumper? Of course ******* not and rightfully so… “but but but the CFC on Claremont is yellow not white” I hear you moan… what moron would let that clash and IP infringement ever happen??

Lets get west Adelaide in to the AFL with the same jumper as Essendon while we’re at it.

Let’s just invite the Peel Thunder in with basically the same get up as Port Power and have lightening bolts all over the jumper. Im sure Port would love that IP theft.

And the new Tasmanian team, well they should be able to wear a Melbourne demons jumper just cause North Hobart is were the Tasmanian team used to play and because … well heritage.

Any team that comes into the AFL needs to bring new IP. Port agreed to this. Now fans unhappy with this decision want to rewrite history. They are being played by their current President to deflect from his failure to bring a cup back to Alberton.

No one forced Port to wear the sbs jumper or embrace teal or have lightening bolts or copy the SA jumper or have a shit team song… they chose it all themselves and decided to sacrifice heritage for entrance into the AFL.

If port want to wear a PB variation with teal, white and black - go for it. It can’t be predominantly black and white though. I’ve no idea why the powers that be went with the SBS instead incorporating teal in the PB. That ain’t Collingwoods fault though.

If it’s good enough for nmfc to have to change jumper to avoid a clash with Carlton when they entered the VFL in 1925, then it’s good enough for Port when they entered the AFL in 97.

Lol at your rage over nothing. First, what's this IP theft? They're not using The Magpie nickname. Also, The VFL has 2 teams co-existing with the same Tiger nicknames, so there's some IP thieving there you should snitch to The VFL about. Geelong and Carlton share the same colours with both only wearing navy and white, no controversy. You proved my point, Richmond and West Coast aren't wearing the black sash on yellow uniforms at the same time, nor will Port and Collingwood be wearing black and white strips at the same time. You won't even notice if you don't watch Port matches. So silly.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

There are so many dumb, long refuted arguments in the last few pages.

We'll eventually get what we want, it's a matter of time.

Collingwood will not even notice it happening because it doesn't actually impact them at all.

Probably. I also just wanted to know what Collingwood fans had to say. They lose their minds over nothing and don't provide evidence for their claims (ie this eternal pre-AFL agreement that doesn't exist). Also, their lack of understanding contracts can be negotiated and changed is astounding. So silly, just don't watch Port games and they'll be all good.

 

[doppleganger]

So how many years does a team have to exist to have heritage? Or will West Coast forever have no heritage? I will add a note to my calendar whenever the years is reached.

For most people under the age of 40, they've existed as long as they can remember - same as any Victorian club. Any they've got more premierships than a some Victorian teams including VFL heritage... And more than most since the comp went national....

The 2007 heritage round when West Coast played in the WA State jumper was themed on the 1970s.

West Coast had no 1970s heritage...perhaps the Eagles should have been forced to sit out or given the bye?

Port Adelaide from the 70s wore the bars back then, so aligning with 70s theme pkaued in the bars. In earlier heritage rounds Port played in their original heritage jumpers the magenta and light blue stripes.

The heritage gimmick ran out of legs when clubs had dusted off a few of their old jumpers, and obviously a pretty stupid concept that was finished up pretty quickly when they were introducing expansion teams like Gold Coast and GWS.

Port's SANFL heritage hasnt been lost, they still play every week in the Bars in the SANFL...but it has nothing to do with the AFL competition.

 

[bomberclifford]

Port's SANFL heritage hasnt been lost, they still play every week in the Bars in the SANFL...but it has nothing to do with the AFL competition.

As long as Port Adelaide play in the AFL it does have a connection.

 

[doppleganger]

According to you, only 1 team can wear 1 design with the same colours in 1 competition. For the sake of argument, forget WA. West Coast wore that design first in the AFL, hence they should be the only ones permitted to wear the black sash with yellow template according to your argument. But no, Richmond are the only ones wearing it, today. Also, Richmond basically wore Hawthorn's guernsey for a game in 2008, just with black instead of brown. Also, Sydney wore a red sash uniform. So, it's ludicrous to say only 1 team can wear the same design and colours, when that's not even practiced. Also, the design of the prison bars is not the same.

What an idiotic take.

If West Coast actually had adopted the WA State jumper as part of their AFL kit then you may have a point. A random heritage round guernsey that they played in as they had no 1970s heritage isnt actually adopting the design for current day kit.

You dont get the concept of heritage round.

Richmond before joining the VFL originally played in black and yellow stripes.

Hawthorn before joining the VFL had a number of different jumpers, even Essendon style jumpers.

South Melbourne had red and white hoops, stripes, sash and monogram combinations before the V and then tra sition to Opera house yoke once going to Sydney.

Fremantle played in jumpers that gave a nod to WAFL Fremantle and East Fremantle jumpers, one being almost the same as the South Melbourne jumper.

That is what 'heritage round' was about, clubs pulling out designs from pre-VFL/AFL days as novelty takes.

Outside of novelty rounds, the AFL does keep home guernsey colour and design combos as unique.

Only one team is royal blue n white stripes only one team is navy blue n white hoops only one team is brown n gold stripes
Only one team is black, red n white tri stripe
Only one team is black n white stripes

It really isnt hard

Go with any design that doesnt use black n white stripes as part of the jumper.

Go black n teal, silver n teal, silver n white and the bars design is fine.

Port were happy to drop the magpies, that meant dropping black n white....they could use the bars design with other colours to retain the Port bars "heritage"...but chose to go lightning bolts.

 

[doppleganger]

As long as Port Adelaide play in the AFL it does have a connection.

Just as much connection to the magenta or light blue hoops jumpers.

Port Adelaide happy to drop those designs along the journey.

All part of the rich Port Adelaide SANFL heritage. All acknowledged with AFL "heritage" jumpers.

 

[edgie]

People say just add teal to the PB guernsey.

Now, ignoring all the other problems with that, the designs for a concept usually have the top panel as teal and the rest the same as normal, with black and white stripes, that would still not fly with Collingwood/Eddie, because, the core of the design would still be, black and white stripes.