Port should keep most of our profit!

[Paralowiepower]

First of all, I would like to congratulate the NAFC ($511,985) and WWTFC ($204,000 ) on making a great profit. With the distribution on the Power and Crows set fee, Im sure this helps make the profit look so good. I just hope they put it to good use, i.e. junior development.

But what I would like to know is, do we get a dividend like the SANFL clubs? And if not why not? As far as Im aware we get nothing from catering/beverages, car parking from Football Park, all this going to the SANFL, then to the SANFL clubs. In Victoria, NSW and QLD clubs are given incentives to play at venues (ie Melbourne FC was given 1 million by the MCC)
What do we get to play at Football Park?
It might come down to a ridiculous situation where SANFL clubs start making more than the two S.A based AFL clubs.
The PAFC is not a cash cow for the local SANFL clubs, and before anyone comes on and has a whinge, I do think we should pay a dividend back, but fair's fair, maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development instead of SANFL clubs to buy motels/pubs who are already making half a million.

Thoughts?

 

[noddy]

First of all, I would like to congratulate the NAFC ($511,985) and WWTFC ($204,000 ) on making a great profit. With the distribution on the Power and Crows set fee, Im sure this helps make the profit look so good. I just hope they put it to good use, i.e. junior development.

But what I would like to know is, do we get a dividend like the SANFL clubs? And if not why not? As far as Im aware we get nothing from catering/beverages, car parking from Football Park, all this going to the SANFL, then to the SANFL clubs. In Victoria, NSW and QLD clubs are given incentives to play at venues (ie Melbourne FC was given 1 million by the MCC)
What do we get to play at Football Park?
It might come down to a ridiculous situation where SANFL clubs start making more than the two S.A based AFL clubs.
The PAFC is not a cash cow for the local SANFL clubs, and before anyone comes on and has a whinge, I do think we should pay a dividend back, but fair's fair, maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development instead of SANFL clubs to buy motels/pubs who are already making half a million.

Thoughts?

Without a strong viable SANFL competition/clubs what sort of future would grass-roots footy have in this state. ??

 

[Paralowiepower]

You didn't read what I wrote Noddy did you?

maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development

Im all for money going back to Amateur League Clubs and county football.
Not to SANFL clubs to buy pubs. Why should your average AFL fan get ripped off, so money can back to the SANFL so they can give to clubs who make half a million.

 

[Portia]

Seems a fair call to me. If the SANFL clubs are nicely profitable, the SANFL should be pocketing the dosh for development, not the clubs.

Heck, they could even invest it back into the PAFC. Isn't that a good thing to do with investments that are only just making profits but are carrying debts?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Its not a question of restricting SANFL profits to the local teams - this is needed to sustain and build a healthy and financially stable league.
This in turn will provide opportunities for both SA AFL clubs to continue to have a predominence of SA players on their lists.

That said, It is vital that both the Crows and Power are afforded the same ground incentives as Melbourne based teams.
If this doesn't happen then it should - and both teams should be free to change venues if better financial terms are available elsewhere.

That may also mean one day in the distant distant future that either club maybe enticed to play their games interstate

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You didn't read what I wrote Noddy did you?

maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development

Im all for money going back to Amateur League Clubs and county football.
Not to SANFL clubs to buy pubs. Why should your average AFL fan get ripped off, so money can back to the SANFL so they can give to clubs who make half a million.

Those clubs need to improve their training resources, better ground facilities and coaches to provide incentives to attract juniors who will be Power and Crow recruit options in the future - not going to directly benefit us in amateur, country I definitely agree with

 

[Paralowiepower]

I totally agree, with Adelaide Oval out of the question, the SANFL does not need to give incentives to both AFL Clubs to play at Football Park, ie like the incentives to Carlton to play at Docklands and the MCG.

 

[noddy]

You didn't read what I wrote Noddy did you?

maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development

Im all for money going back to Amateur League Clubs and county football.
Not to SANFL clubs to buy pubs. Why should your average AFL fan get ripped off, so money can back to the SANFL so they can give to clubs who make half a million.

But that's my point !! with a struggling sanfl in place (& that includes the clubs) would that also not have a snowballing effect on other local leagues ??

Our local sanfl clubs have to survive & remain strong & if that means both the Crows & Power having to play the part of a cash cow then that's the way it has to be.

 

[noddy]

Those clubs need to improve their training resources, better ground facilities and coaches to provide incentives to attract juniors who will be Power and Crow recruit options in the future - not going to directly benefit us in amateur, country I definitely agree with

Don't each sanfl club have a zone to develop in this state ??

I know Whyalla is in the PA zone & to be honest i don't think they are as active up here as they use to be in the past

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[noddy]

That may also mean one day in the distant distant future that either club maybe enticed to play their games interstate

The power of the mighty $$

Could even work the other way ala the Brisbane/Melbourne deal of the past few years.

Crap way to play a game of footy though.

 

[Paralowiepower]

I know Whyalla is in the PA zone & to be honest i don't think they are as active up here as they use to be in the past

I

That's our point, maybe the money would be better used by the SANFL to develop county football instead of giving it to SANFL Clubs who spend it on Function Centres and buying pubs, and recruiting ex AFL hacks, when they should be spending some of it on developing their zone.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I totally agree, with Adelaide Oval out of the question, the SANFL does not need to give incentives to both AFL Clubs to play at Football Park, ie like the incentives to Carlton to play at Docklands and the MCG.

All Melb clubs are given incentives - Collingwood at the MCG ( so they don't play their games at Telstra Dome), Essendon at Telstra (so they don't go to MCG)

Its the competition betweebn venues and nearly all clubs receive considerations.

Why is Adelaide oval out of the question?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don't each sanfl club have a zone to develop in this state ??

I know Whyalla is in the PA zone & to be honest i don't think they are as active up here as they use to be in the past

I

Yes and AFL distibution should go towards their zone development - but I would imagine that would not include ground or facility development in the country.

SANFL directly should be looking after those activities.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The power of the mighty $$

Could even work the other way ala the Brisbane/Melbourne deal of the past few years.

Crap way to play a game of footy though.

Happens in American baseball, grid iron, and basketball - who would be silly enough to suggest ast some point in the future Australia would not follow suit - I'm not small minded enough to suggest outright that it couldn't happen.

 

[Portia]

I think the resident Crowies are missing the point. I'll put them at ease first with a statement they might not expect: Port fans don't actually want to destroy the SANFL.

But when certainly SANFL clubs are doing just fine at making profits without our dividend, why do they specifically need it?

We have some hefty establishment debts that we're still paying off, and the two SANFL clubs mentioned earlier have made bigger profits than we did before the dividend was taken out.

There used to be means testing of a sort for our dividend - we only paid a percentage of our profits, but now we're on fixed amounts. Maybe there should be the reverse - if an SANFL club is making more profit than an AFL club, they don't get a cut of the dividend that year. At least if the dividend continues to be split straight to clubs - that seems pretty safe and reasonable to me.

However if the SANFL want to redirect our split into SANFL aspects that actually help Port and the Crows though, then there's no problem.

And as mentioned before, maybe the SANFL could invest in their cash cow occasionally. Pay our debt off now, milk us when we're debt free.

 

[Paralowiepower]

Why is Adelaide oval out of the question?

The SANFL has got an agreement with the AFL not to play AFL Football at Adelaide Oval. Hence no competion with another major venue in S.A

So Football Park (The SANFL) does not need to give incentives to the two AFL Clubs.

By the way, I worked it out the two finals played at Football Park, the SANFL would of made close to a million dollar profit each game in catering/ car parking etc. Port would not of seen a cent, where is our thanks?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the resident Crowies are missing the point. I'll put them at ease first with a statement they might not expect: Port fans don't actually want to destroy the SANFL.

Sorry missed that post - who of the resident Crowies suggested that

Fixed amounts are fine - stopped you and us investing in infrastructure and facilities and reporting small profits (hence your state of the art facilities)

We must support the SANFL infrastructure - and there's at least half a dozen clubs who would love to be in the Powers financial position

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The SANFL has got an agreement with the AFL not to play AFL Football at Adelaide Oval. Hence no competion with another major venue in S.A

So Football Park (The SANFL) does not need to give incentives to the two AFL Clubs.

That certainly stops AFL clubs from interstate coming in and playing games at Adelaide oval - good move IMO.

Does the SANFL hold the Power license as well as the Crows?

 

[Paralowiepower]

Does the SANFL hold the Power license as well as the Crows?

The licence is sub leased to the PAFC, which as far as I know can never be revoked by the SANFL.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The licence is sub leased to the PAFC, which as far as I know can never be revoked by the SANFL.

Then the SANFL has both clubs by the proverbial as far as negotiating a new and financially better deal to play at another venue

 

[sog35]

It's a very interesting subject. I've worked closely with Glenelg FC this year, whilst also taking a look at the 8 other clubs. Every club's single major line of income is the SANFL distribution. The majority also have large amounts float over from their licensed clubs via the Pokies. North Adelaide is very lucky to have had the Roosters Club, and although I haven't seen their financials for 04 yet, they have either sold it or used it for purely rent purposes. North are an outlier as far as financial performance goes.

The SANFL distribution we make does not go to the clubs individually however it is pooled into the SANFL which then delivers an overall distribution over all of their profit.

I think the distribution may need to be linked to on-field and off-field performances. Whilst the clubs that perform on-field and off-field survive there may be some other clubs that would go to the wall without the cash distribution that helps them get through the season.

Based on prior years SANFL distribution - WWT would have made a $200K loss without it.

 

[Powerhater_01]

maybe the money should go back to the SANFL to help develop Football Park or junior development

Thats what the money does go back to SANFL for to ensure the future, of young South Australian talent Also protects the future of the SANFL as a whole.

 

[Portmagpies]

Both South Australian AFL clubs have a duty and responsibility to ensure the future of the SANFL and grass-roots football in the state.

How they best do this is open for debate although I'd hate to see the Port Magpies (or any club for that matter) lost because the Power and the Crows had deep pockets but short arms.

 

[dreamkillers]

Thats what the money does go back to SANFL for to ensure the future, of young South Australian talent Also protects the future of the SANFL as a whole.

still not posting on the Port board hey.........

 

[Markthirtytwo]

That's our point, maybe the money would be better used by the SANFL to develop county football instead of giving it to SANFL Clubs who spend it on Function Centres and buying pubs, and recruiting ex AFL hacks, when they should be spending some of it on developing their zone.

If your having a dig at West Adelaide we are vibrant and one of the richest clubs in the state, why because we had to forsight to know where the real money was coming from to stay financial. Heard of poker machines.
Thats why clubs have to buy pubs or function centres. If North Adelaide hadnt had the chance to buy the tavern and nothing else was within their reach they more than likely could fold.
Im sure no one here seriously wants that.