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Port tell league: we'll go broke without assistance
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tribey
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
First up, every club has debt according to the summary of the 16 clubs' finances that appeared in the Herald-Sun a couple of months ago.
The news about Bianco isn't surprising either, unfortunately.
First up, every club has debt according to the summary of the 16 clubs' finances that appeared in the Herald-Sun a couple of months ago.
The news about Bianco isn't surprising either, unfortunately.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Port wont go broke.
They'll have a good year and crowds will go up again and all will be fine for a couple more years down there.
Port wont go broke.
They'll have a good year and crowds will go up again and all will be fine for a couple more years down there.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Its soccer's fault. If they set it up as meber based clubs. Bianco wouldnt of thrown all his money at adelaide united. And would have xxxxxxx amount of dollars to honour his sponsorship agreement.
Its soccer's fault. If they set it up as meber based clubs. Bianco wouldnt of thrown all his money at adelaide united. And would have xxxxxxx amount of dollars to honour his sponsorship agreement.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
This means that of the non-Victorian clubs, only Freo, West Coast and the Crows are stand alone financially viable.
Makes the GC case shakier and shakier by the day.
This means that of the non-Victorian clubs, only Freo, West Coast and the Crows are stand alone financially viable.
Makes the GC case shakier and shakier by the day.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Important for Power to have a good year on the park this year if this is indeed the case. Good thing is that I reckon they will start winning again, was amazing how their support just died after they started losing games last year. I do hope they have lowered the attendance they need to make a profit at games, IIRC it was something like 30thousand which for them is way too much.
Important for Power to have a good year on the park this year if this is indeed the case. Good thing is that I reckon they will start winning again, was amazing how their support just died after they started losing games last year. I do hope they have lowered the attendance they need to make a profit at games, IIRC it was something like 30thousand which for them is way too much.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Well to be fair, a lot of clubs would find themselves hitting the panic button if one of their major sponsors rang up on the eve of the season starting and said "ummm, about that $750,000 we owe you..."
Well to be fair, a lot of clubs would find themselves hitting the panic button if one of their major sponsors rang up on the eve of the season starting and said "ummm, about that $750,000 we owe you..."
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Oh yeah, I agree. I am most certainly NOT having a go at Port here. I reckon you guys will be OK in the medium term.
My larger point is that the AFL would be mad to start throwing money at even more expansion in the current environment.
Oh yeah, I agree. I am most certainly NOT having a go at Port here. I reckon you guys will be OK in the medium term.
My larger point is that the AFL would be mad to start throwing money at even more expansion in the current environment.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Correct and I have been saying it for a while. The AFL has stupidly focussed on developing dead markets whilst it has totally ignored the fragile state of the game in South Australia, a traditional football stronghold. I believe Port will have a good season on-field but I do not expect our crowds to rise much on 2008 numbers. I feel the South Australian football public is tiring of the AFL brand, the constant rule changes, the over-exposure on foxtel and free-to-air TV and the fixture, and expect to see another fall in attendance figures for Crows games too.
Correct and I have been saying it for a while. The AFL has stupidly focussed on developing dead markets whilst it has totally ignored the fragile state of the game in South Australia, a traditional football stronghold. I believe Port will have a good season on-field but I do not expect our crowds to rise much on 2008 numbers. I feel the South Australian football public is tiring of the AFL brand, the constant rule changes, the over-exposure on foxtel and free-to-air TV and the fixture, and expect to see another fall in attendance figures for Crows games too.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Interesting re: the different states views on the game.
Agree re: fixturing, free to air etc.
Interesting re: the different states views on the game.
Agree re: fixturing, free to air etc.
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Meanwhile SANFL crowds seem to be going up. Hmmm
Meanwhile SANFL crowds seem to be going up. Hmmm
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
There was even talk not too long ago in darker times over in the west about the WAFL been required to step in to support "the parlous state of AFL football in Western Australia". I can't recall if the clubs over there received any handouts though? They have always seemed to have good membership numbers.
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The Port development shows us the AFL must concentrate its money and effort on consolidating what it has, not hare brained expansion schemes.
The Port development shows us the AFL must concentrate its money and effort on consolidating what it has, not hare brained expansion schemes.
Papa Juggs
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
What a scam.
Vic teams getting shafted at the dome and Port are having a cry??
Let them die.
What a scam.
Vic teams getting shafted at the dome and Port are having a cry??
Let them die.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
this really highlights the unsustainable structure and 3rd party ground share arrangements of the AFL competition.
most viable football clubs/organisations around the world use the their home ground as a major revenue earner from all activities. the home ground is important for any team.
Port Adelaide FC and football park are not a good fit. the ground is too big for the team for all but 1 or 2 of their 11 home matches each season......but the landlord (SANFL) takes into account the whole 51k capacity when determining their lease and thus the level at which the club can break even from attendances is too high for the club.
ground rationalisation will end up sending clubs to the wall.
my question is this........a) why didnt clubs purchase grounds off council during the 20th century, and maintain them to their specifications; b) in leiu of not purchasing grounds, why didnt clubs use their status as major tenants to pressure councils for substantial improvement works, or the club take on improvement works themselves. this foresight from clubs would not have led to the ground rationalisation situation the clubs find themselves in now. clubs would have control of their gameday activities, from ticket prices to ground advertising and a ground that can cater to their own supporters. instead clubs are copping the stake up their collective arses.
due to the inferior state of many grounds, the AFL did the wheelin and dealin for the clubs and forced them into ground share arrangements with 3rd parties own bigger capacity grounds than what is required for the tenant, and who have their own sponsorship commitments, hence poor deals. so now, the monies which nearly half the clubs collect at the gate for many games are now neglible. it's all well and good to have a 95k & 55k capacity stadium in melb, but most teams cant get anywhere near selling these out or making money out the arrangements.
it's too late for clubs to go home now...these grounds are now in a derelict state, or have been modified for public access use.......but giving up this important of assets for the ground rationalisation setup was an error IMO.
this really highlights the unsustainable structure and 3rd party ground share arrangements of the AFL competition.
most viable football clubs/organisations around the world use the their home ground as a major revenue earner from all activities. the home ground is important for any team.
Port Adelaide FC and football park are not a good fit. the ground is too big for the team for all but 1 or 2 of their 11 home matches each season......but the landlord (SANFL) takes into account the whole 51k capacity when determining their lease and thus the level at which the club can break even from attendances is too high for the club.
ground rationalisation will end up sending clubs to the wall.
my question is this........a) why didnt clubs purchase grounds off council during the 20th century, and maintain them to their specifications; b) in leiu of not purchasing grounds, why didnt clubs use their status as major tenants to pressure councils for substantial improvement works, or the club take on improvement works themselves. this foresight from clubs would not have led to the ground rationalisation situation the clubs find themselves in now. clubs would have control of their gameday activities, from ticket prices to ground advertising and a ground that can cater to their own supporters. instead clubs are copping the stake up their collective arses.
due to the inferior state of many grounds, the AFL did the wheelin and dealin for the clubs and forced them into ground share arrangements with 3rd parties own bigger capacity grounds than what is required for the tenant, and who have their own sponsorship commitments, hence poor deals. so now, the monies which nearly half the clubs collect at the gate for many games are now neglible. it's all well and good to have a 95k & 55k capacity stadium in melb, but most teams cant get anywhere near selling these out or making money out the arrangements.
it's too late for clubs to go home now...these grounds are now in a derelict state, or have been modified for public access use.......but giving up this important of assets for the ground rationalisation setup was an error IMO.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Bit of an excuse mate ....Port fans need to eat into the Crows dominance of the SA market and get the fans of their arses and to the games.
Bit of an excuse mate ....Port fans need to eat into the Crows dominance of the SA market and get the fans of their arses and to the games.
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
its time the afl babysat an interstate club instead of holding up unfinancial victorian clubs who put there hand up and then crow about what profit they make at the end of the year, what crap ! dont get me wrong we hate port but they deserve help every much as any club that has squeeled so far
its time the afl babysat an interstate club instead of holding up unfinancial victorian clubs who put there hand up and then crow about what profit they make at the end of the year, what crap ! dont get me wrong we hate port but they deserve help every much as any club that has squeeled so far
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
The exact same thing happened to us this year and Demetriou last week announced we're heading in the right direction.
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
Half of the Vic clubs take the money and run and they didn't even have to pay 4 mill to join like we did.
Nothing wrong with us geting a hand out.
Half of the Vic clubs take the money and run and they didn't even have to pay 4 mill to join like we did.
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
This story broke in The Age and, as of this morning, the story still doesn't appear in The Advertiser's web site.
Here endeth the Port moaning about not getting a fair deal from the local newspaper.
This story broke in The Age and, as of this morning, the story still doesn't appear in The Advertiser's web site.
Here endeth the Port moaning about not getting a fair deal from the local newspaper.
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
welcome to 92.5% of the salary cap
welcome to 92.5% of the salary cap
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
If they need a handout give it to them, however questions need to be asked about whether a team like Port should have been given entry into the AFL and not a new franchise similiar to Adelaide, like what happened in WA. So far for the new franchises the WA model are miles ahead of everyone else.
What's done is done, but it's concerning that Port find themselves in this position after the recent success they've had.
I could refer to the irony of this happening after all the crap that clubs like mine received from port people on bigfooty over the CBF, hopefully this will reduce the trolls.
If they need a handout give it to them, however questions need to be asked about whether a team like Port should have been given entry into the AFL and not a new franchise similiar to Adelaide, like what happened in WA. So far for the new franchises the WA model are miles ahead of everyone else.
What's done is done, but it's concerning that Port find themselves in this position after the recent success they've had.
I could refer to the irony of this happening after all the crap that clubs like mine received from port people on bigfooty over the CBF, hopefully this will reduce the trolls.
shintemaster
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Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
No, but then many of those same clubs scrimped, scrounged and worked their arses off for over a 100 years to build this competition.
I think SLF said it best earlier. There are 3 clubs outside of Victoria that could be considered safe. That is not a great indication of the success of the AFL's plan for the competition.
On ground rationilisation it's fair to say the policy hasn't been a success. Probably a combination of factors including the fact that clubs simply couldn't afford to maintain the grounds they had at the times. There's probably a big lesson here for the clubs and the AFL that in future they need to maintain control of as much of there home revenues as possible. Teams need to have control of the stadium in which they play games as much as possible.
No, but then many of those same clubs scrimped, scrounged and worked their arses off for over a 100 years to build this competition.
I think SLF said it best earlier. There are 3 clubs outside of Victoria that could be considered safe. That is not a great indication of the success of the AFL's plan for the competition.
On ground rationilisation it's fair to say the policy hasn't been a success. Probably a combination of factors including the fact that clubs simply couldn't afford to maintain the grounds they had at the times. There's probably a big lesson here for the clubs and the AFL that in future they need to maintain control of as much of there home revenues as possible. Teams need to have control of the stadium in which they play games as much as possible.
Re: Port tell league: we'll go broke without handout
No it didn't.
1) It happened last year
2) It was a minor sponsor (although still about $150,00 from memory, which admittedly aint great.)
No it didn't.
1) It happened last year
2) It was a minor sponsor (although still about $150,00 from memory, which admittedly aint great.)
