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AFLW 2024 - Round 9 - Indigenous Round - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
How long ago was that??? Not since we first collapsed under the debt we had to take to start up as a result of the $4m fee we paid to enter the competition have we had any financial issues.There was even talk not too long ago in darker times over in the west about the WAFL been required to step in to support "the parlous state of AFL football in Western Australia". I can't recall if the clubs over there received any handouts though? They have always seemed to have good membership numbers.
LOL, yeah, that competition that was financially bankrupt until you admitted 2 teams from interstate whose fees propped it up (saving it from calling in the administrators), allowed the television rights to skyrocket and providing a huge boost in the value of sponsorships.No, but then many of those same clubs scrimped, scrounged and worked their arses off for over a 100 years to build this competition.
I think SLF said it best earlier. There are 3 clubs outside of Victoria that could be considered safe. That is not a great indication of the success of the AFL's plan for the competition.
If the AFL didn't rationalise the grounds all the lower supported Vic teams would have been playing in sub-standard facilities until they managed to get their shit together. That probably would have been a long time coming if it would have even happened at all yet.On ground rationilisation it's fair to say the policy hasn't been a success. Probably a combination of factors including the fact that clubs simply couldn't afford to maintain the grounds they had at the times. There's probably a big lesson here for the clubs and the AFL that in future they need to maintain control of as much of there home revenues as possible. Teams need to have control of the stadium in which they play games as much as possible.
WC went broke from its start-up costs. It got no support, more at that time the competition was so bankrupt we were the ones supporting it. Brisbane had salary cap assistance to convince people to live in Brisbane. Not really a financial assistance/handout. The AFL does own Sydney, after that Eddleston bloke drove them into the ground with his flamboyance. AFL never helped Freo, the WAFL did a little, effectively through WC's profits.I dont understand the comment that Port are the first Non-Vic club to ask for a handout/assitance from AFL.
WCE went broke in first few years, is a superclub now though
Brisbane have had salary cap assistance.
The AFL basically owns Sydney
Freo had some troubles, not sure the AFL helped them at all though.
This is not the case for all clubs. Some have more control than others.What revenue streams do clubs truly have control over?
1. Membership
2. Sponsorship
3. Pubs or clubs (if they have them)
Look at what the AFL controls
1. TV rights, internet, radio
2. Merchandise (all royalty income goes to the AFL, the clubs recieve a equal distribution and the margin on sale if they goods are purchased directly from the club.
3. Catering
4. Fixturing
5. Finals tickets sales
Areas I am not sure on include signage (I believe the stadium takes a chunk of this) and others I can't think off (feel free to add).
POINT BEING AFL CLUBS HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER THEIR FINANCES DUE TO THE CENTRALIST POLICIES OF THE AFL.
No shit they don't need 10 clubs, but they have them and we are propping them up. How are you going to get rid of them though? I just don't think it is possible anymore. Too much time has passed, people are too passionate and this whole competition was set up wrong from the beginning, with a few teams just rushed in to save their league.This is going to be unpopular but I am going to say it..........
There are too many clubs in the AFL. The Global Financial Crisis should lead to a cull of the ones that cant perform financially at the top level. The problem with the AFL propping up the Melbourne clubs is that these clubs are wasting sponsorship dollars that Port Adelaide should be able to take advantage of. Melbourne should have 6 clubs maximum. This would allow the entire league to co-exist. We need two clubs in our state. Victoria does not need ten.
The AFL seems to think they are bigger than they are. It is a regional sport that is popular with about 15 million people. It is nothing. The A League gets more global exposure than the AFL. Time for some real belt buckling to take place across the league. I doubt soccer will be more popular here in the short term, but it can be a more appealing sponsorship vehicle if you have to decide between the two. A choice that Bianco seems to have to make.
Wait, they seem to be going up, or they are going up?
Don't make up statistics, back it up.
No shit they don't need 10 clubs, but they have them and we are propping them up. How are you going to get rid of them though? I just don't think it is possible anymore. Too much time has passed, people are too passionate and this whole competition was set up wrong from the beginning, with a few teams just rushed in to save their league.
At least we all still get to watch good footy, even if the competition is ****ed.
SANFL Crowds 2005-2008
2005 Total: 303,354 (2,974 ave.)
2006 Total: 309,874 (3,228 ave.)
2007 Total: 322,935 (3,165 ave.)
2008 Total: 362,209 (3,773 ave.)
"Seem" to be going up, base on a relatively small sample size...
I've often wondered just what straw it will take to break the camel's back, and for WC, Adelaide, Collingwood & Essendon to say amongst themselves "**** this, lets go start our own Superleague", and invite who they want.How are you going to get rid of them though? I just don't think it is possible anymore.
Great marketing saved Freo IMO. GREAT marketing.
I've often wondered just what straw it will take to break the camel's back, and for WC, Adelaide, Collingwood & Essendon to say amongst themselves "**** this, lets go start our own Superleague", and invite who they want.
Because it's a fair bet that it wouldn't be a 16 team league.
I've often wondered just what straw it will take to break the camel's back, and for WC, Adelaide, Collingwood & Essendon to say amongst themselves "**** this, lets go start our own Superleague", and invite who they want.
Because it's a fair bet that it wouldn't be a 16 team league.
How does that correlate with Glenelg's rise upt the ladder??
Untill the AFL itself is affected by the downturn, they will keep propping up the failing clubs.
Surely GC is off now??
12 team comp would be perfect
Adelaide
West Coast
Fremantle
Collingwood
Carlton
Essendon
Sydney
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
Melbourne Tigers (Richmond, Melb)
South West Saints (Bulldogs St Kilda)
North East Melbourne Hawks (North, Hawthorn)
2005 Total: 303,354 (2,974 ave.) Glenelg Placing: 8
2006 Total: 309,874 (3,228 ave.) Glenelg Placing: 6
2007 Total: 322,935 (3,165 ave.) Glenelg Placing: 4
2008 Total: 362,209 (3,773 ave.) Glenelg Placing: 2
Pretty strongly
But remember, correlation != causation
Wow, just wow.
Why would Hawthorn merge? And what happened to Geelong?!
Do some research into which clubs are stable prior to listing your 'ideal league'
I happen to think Port's situation financially is even more dire than what's been reported, if that's possible.
If ever we needed Port supporters on board, or back on board, it's now.
Before it's too late.
This is going to be unpopular but I am going to say it..........
There are too many clubs in the AFL.
I've often wondered just what straw it will take to break the camel's back, and for WC, Adelaide, Collingwood & Essendon to say amongst themselves "**** this, lets go start our own Superleague", and invite who they want.
Because it's a fair bet that it wouldn't be a 16 team league.
Untill the AFL itself is affected by the downturn, they will keep propping up the failing clubs.
Surely GC is off now??
10 Superleague team comp would be perfect
Adelaide Sharks
Perth Pirates
Fremantle Clippers
Collingwood Zebras
Carlton (cant think of Blues alternative)
Essendon Jets
Sydney Storm
Brisbane Cyclone
Port Adelaide Thunder
Melbourne Tigers (Richmond, Melb) Although Melb not a rich club they are in to allow use of MCG.
I beleive they also got one of their long term sponsors; CUB to pay out their entire planned sponsorship (10 years) in one hit upfront as well.
There would be no Collingwood, Essendon, Adelaide Crows or West Coast Eagles in any breakaway league seeing the AFL owns those monikors.
Maybe you franchise supporters would change clubs again, but no Victorians would leave their clubs and support brand new teams, and without Victorians it will go broke about 20mins after it starts.