Autopsy Port v Essendon review

[PAFC66]

I've met those port blokes that got kicked out before. They're there at every Melbourne based game I've been to. Terrific blokes and get up and get the cheer squad involved. In no way are they malicious. It's a shame all these bandwagoner old theatregoers are constantly having a sook about anything remotely antisocial.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I've met those port blokes that got kicked out before. They're there at every Melbourne based game I've been to. Terrific blokes and get up and get the cheer squad involved. In no way are they malicious. It's a shame all these bandwagoner old theatregoers are constantly having a sook about anything remotely antisocial.

shhh quiet please

 

[Ljc_86]

I didn't enjoy anything about Saturday night. The boys played terribly the post match function was a waste of time, didn't inspire me to go Sunday morning but I'll be there again next game as I'm a sucker for punishment

 

[OneGreatClub]

I agree..and it sort of sucks in a way, sort of...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rs-closer-to-an-afl-flag-20170612-gwp5z9.html
Unintended consequences of Essendon supplements scandal take Bombers closer to an AFL Flag


While the addition of No.1 draft pick Andrew McGrath and coach John Worsfold are among the most visual benefits that Essendon have received, there have been other, less obvious advantages that seem to be assisting with the team's climb up the ladder.
The first of those was the freedom that Essendon had to develop and experiment with their list last year without worrying about losing games.
That responsibility didn't just benefit players yet to establish themselves in the team. The leadership of players like Zach Merrett and Joe Daniher is miles ahead of where it would have been if all the major decisions last year were being made by Jobe Watson, Dyson Heppell and the rest of the existing leaders.
Essendon's unique struggles, as well as the senior management and coach's impressive ability to stay galvanised, has meant that this group may have created a bond through the adversity they've faced that's hard to break.

 

[NuriootpaTigers]

Why'd they get kicked out? Some old slappers in the cheer squad were giving them shit as well.. a lot of crows like fans in our cheer squad sometimes. Absolute theatregoers. I miss the 90s and 00s when you could actually stand up and tell without being looked at.

Yeah, it's disgusting. If you don't wanna hear a few colourful words, perhaps don't go to the footy. The cheer squad are the least Port Adelaide people that could represent us. They're as vanilla as our performances over the past two years.

 

[Powerstufff]

.... Bounces: ... I think it's if they go 15 steps without bouncing, they will be penalised for running too far without bouncing ....

15 metres rather than steps, or Josh Kennedy would be pinged every time he ran in for goal. And you can touch the ball on the ground rather than bounce.
Per Laws of Australian rules football, holding the ball "When a player is in possession of the ball, and moving, the ball must be bounced or touched to the ground at least once every 15 metres. Failure to do so results in a penalty, where a free kick is awarded to the opposing team. This is sometimes called running too far or travelling, and is signalled by the umpire in the same way as travelling is signalled in basketball."
I did have it in my head that if you just stood holding the ball for 15 seconds it was also holding the ball. But I can't find confirmation anywhere and whether that's a SANFL/AFL discrepancy or just another one of those things that exist only in my head I'm not sure.

 

[PAFC66]

Yeah, it's disgusting. If you don't wanna hear a few colourful words, perhaps don't go to the footy. The cheer squad are the least Port Adelaide people that could represent us. They're as vanilla as our performances over the past two years.

Like I said the majority weren't there 4 years ago in Melbourne.. all theatregoers. The certain type on Facebook that have a go at you if you're the slightest bit negative.

 

[FishingRick04]

Ah Chee didn't get anywhere near enough of the ball on the night (although in his defence he was once again hamstrung by low TOG%) but at least he does something with it once he has it. Right now he's just about the only guy in the side who I trust with a set shot.



Good luck on learning tactics and plays but I wouldn't bother trying to understand 'fouls' (in AFL they're called free kicks). I've been watching this sport religiously since I was about four and I still don't understand how this game is umpired. I don't think most of the umpires do either.

Impey 11 possession with 90% TOG and 43% disposal efficiency

Arch 9 disposal 54% TOG with 90% DE

 

[edgie]

Impey was garbage. Even old mate Primus would make an exception to his two bad games rule to drop him. Possibly.

Nah probably not.

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[PAFC66]

I agree..and it sort of sucks in a way, sort of...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rs-closer-to-an-afl-flag-20170612-gwp5z9.html
Unintended consequences of Essendon supplements scandal take Bombers closer to an AFL Flag


While the addition of No.1 draft pick Andrew McGrath and coach John Worsfold are among the most visual benefits that Essendon have received, there have been other, less obvious advantages that seem to be assisting with the team's climb up the ladder.
The first of those was the freedom that Essendon had to develop and experiment with their list last year without worrying about losing games.
That responsibility didn't just benefit players yet to establish themselves in the team. The leadership of players like Zach Merrett and Joe Daniher is miles ahead of where it would have been if all the major decisions last year were being made by Jobe Watson, Dyson Heppell and the rest of the existing leaders.
Essendon's unique struggles, as well as the senior management and coach's impressive ability to stay galvanised, has meant that this group may have created a bond through the adversity they've faced that's hard to break.

Nothing like profiting from your crimes. They're a disgrace.

 

[PAFC66]

Impey was garbage. Even old mate Primus would make an exception to his two bad games rule to drop him. Possibly.

Nah probably not.

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He was Impey.

Are people expecting consistency?

 

[Janus]

Impey 11 possession with 90% TOG and 43% disposal efficiency

Arch 9 disposal 54% TOG with 90% DE

Impey 3 contested possessions and 5 tackles.

Ah Chee 4 contested possessions and 0 tackles.

And Ah Chee was running at 77.8% DE, not 90%.

Just because Impey was bad, doesn't meant Ah Chee wasn't worse for a so called 'big bodied' player.

 

[edgie]

Family friendly shit at the footy can go way overboard. The entire club is represented by adults, who other adults go to watch and support.

This isn't like carrying on inappropriately during Finding Nemo. It's more like a rock concert. Not restricted to any particular age groups but geared for mature entertainment.

Now people are expected to behave as if it were under 10s.

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[tribey]

I agree..and it sort of sucks in a way, sort of...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...rs-closer-to-an-afl-flag-20170612-gwp5z9.html
Unintended consequences of Essendon supplements scandal take Bombers closer to an AFL Flag

While the addition of No.1 draft pick Andrew McGrath and coach John Worsfold are among the most visual benefits that Essendon have received, there have been other, less obvious advantages that seem to be assisting with the team's climb up the ladder.
The first of those was the freedom that Essendon had to develop and experiment with their list last year without worrying about losing games.
That responsibility didn't just benefit players yet to establish themselves in the team. The leadership of players like Zach Merrett and Joe Daniher is miles ahead of where it would have been if all the major decisions last year were being made by Jobe Watson, Dyson Heppell and the rest of the existing leaders.
Essendon's unique struggles, as well as the senior management and coach's impressive ability to stay galvanised, has meant that this group may have created a bond through the adversity they've faced that's hard to break.

I said this in late March:

"They've essentially been gifted a fast-tracked rebuild leaving them with a perfect blend of elite veteran talent (Watson, Goddard, Kelly, Stanton), top mid-career guys (Heppell, Hooker, Zaharakis, Hurley, Daniher), a bunch of very good experienced second and third year players (Merrett, MTW, Parish, Fantasia) and that ridiculous clutch of rookies (led by McGrath) from last year's finish that was in no way reflective of the real strength of their list.

Cheats do prosper."

Compare to our situation in 2011 when we were genuinely basement-fodder.

Pick 6 (Chad Wingard) and

 

[edgie]

He was Impey.

Are people expecting consistency?

There's three basic types of game.

A good game.
An indifferent game.
A bad game.

The second one would have been expected, but he was a complete liability. Nobody could have foreseen that. Not only was it like playing a man down, it was like playing a man down and them have an extra, practically playing +2.

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[OneGreatClub]

I said this in late March:

"They've essentially been gifted a fast-tracked rebuild leaving them with a perfect blend of elite veteran talent (Watson, Goddard, Kelly, Stanton), top mid-career guys (Heppell, Hooker, Zaharakis, Hurley, Daniher), a bunch of very good experienced second and third year players (Merrett, MTW, Parish, Fantasia) and that ridiculous clutch of rookies (led by McGrath) from last year's finish that was in no way reflective of the real strength of their list.

Cheats do prosper."

Compare to our situation in 2011 when we were genuinely basement-fodder.

Pick 6 (Chad Wingard) and

 

[Full Credit]

Just got home from camping, didn't see the game and haven't seen any highlights, a) should I bother and b) can someone please sum up this debacle in 2-3 sentences before I go through the thread.

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[Kingfish73]

The performance we managed to dish up on Saturday night was unacceptable. By the ten minute mark of the first qtr the fat lady had not only sung, but was already back in her trailer sipping old english tea. To concede the game the way we did was unacceptable, but unfortunately the footy club can add it to its ever growing catalogue of piss weak performances.

Yes, Essendon looked sensational, but let's face it, witches hats would have applied more pressure then some of our players. There were very few positives to come out of this one, the 70 point margin was rather flattering in the end. How does a club at near full strength, and a top 4 spot on the line capitulate so easily? I'm sick to death of trying to answer this question. But let's start with the elephant in the room, Ken.

Senior Coach

His decision to continually play players out of their normal positions is mind boggling. Boak, Hartlett, S Gray, Trengove are all victims of this. If there not able to win their normal position then drop them. At one stage we even had Charlie lining up at the centre bounce, WTF Ken? He also looks clueless, unassertive & void of passion when the teams getting touched up. Not a good look, especially for a senior coach. His persistence to play injured players isn't doing him or the team any favours.

On field Leadership

It's in times of adversity that leadership is needed most, I'm not seeing enough off it. Anyone who thinks Boak can get back to his 2014 form are kidding themselves, he's done. What's not helping his cause is being played out of position, & senior members either playing for frees, or woefully out of form.

Player Ratings

Boak: Despite 20 odd possessions, 3 kicks says it all. Couldn't impact the game in any meaningful way and his disposal continues to let him down. 4/10.

Ebert: Having a stellar season, but was only serviceable Saturday night. Looked tired, and needed more help from his teammates as he can't be expected to do the heavy lifting every week. 6/10.

Wines: I don't know if the Etihad surface exposed him for pace, or the fact that he went into the game injured, but he just didn't look right from the first bounce. Copping a knock early didn't help his cause. 5/10.

Jonas: Its extremely hard to defend your direct opponent when your midfield allows the opposition free access through the centre of the park. Despite this, I thought Tommy he held his own. Undoubtedly, our most reliable defender on the list ATM, which is a credit to him. 6/10.

Trengrove: was our most influential player early on, but that quickly evaporated when Essendon got on a roll. Nice goal to begin the 2nd half but his best position is KPD/pinch hit ruck. The sooner Ken realises this the better. 5/10.

Hartlett: Hmmmm....is his body shot? I don't know, but in football terms he's a million miles away ATM. He's beginning to look like our own Colin Sylvia, so much promise gone to waste. Lazy, apathetic, disinterested...if Ken really cares, he will drop him this week. 1/10.

R Gray: It seems the whole world knows he's playing hurt, well everyone apart from Ken it seems. He's not right, and playing for frees instead of the ball isn't helping his cause or reputation. Kicked 3 goals, but overall ineffective. Would be a huge loss but needs to get his body right. 3/10.

Hoff: I've been one of his biggest critics, but he was one of the rare few that came out to play. Tried his heart out, but had little help. The best of a poor bunch. 7/10.

Hombsch: By far his worse game in a Port jumper. Constantly beaten in the contest and continually allowed his direct opponent way too much space to work in. Forgettable, won't play that bad again. 2/10.

Wingard: Back from a short layoff didn't do him any favours. He looked rusty, missed targets, and his normal reliable kick for goal has seemingly deserted him this season. Still think his best football awaits him as an elite midfielder. Not his best night. 4/10.

Dixon: Unlike most of this season, just couldn't impose himself in this one. Seeing him line up at the centre bounce as an on baller was just plain bizarre. 3/10.

Pittard: Poor to very poor. His dramatic drop in form is concerning. Im not sure if he has been asked to play a different role or not, but we are desperately missing his run and dash & creativeness off the back line. 2/10.

S Gray: I think he is a good footballer, but not as a forward. If he can't earn a spot in the midfield, he shouldn't be playing. Still have fond memories of his purple patch run a few seasons ago. Stop trying to put a square peg in a round hole Ken. 3/10.

DBJ: Started well, but fell away badly as the game went on. Always gives his best & I still strongly believe he has a very bright future at the club. ATM he plays much better when the team is switched on, but hopefully as he matures, so will his consistency. 4/10.

Ahchee: Didn't bother to touch it in the first, and that set the tone for the rest of his night. Frustratingly, spent almost half of the game on the pine. Not sure that does a lot for the lads confidence. I'm convinced he is a much better player then that & would like to see him be given a prolonged run at half forward where I think he's best suited. 2/10.

SPP: Barley sighted in the first half, but the patches that we witnessed in the 2nd half further convinced me that he is well on his way to elite status. Has all the tools, and unlike some of his teammates, does not take a backward step when thrown into the fire. To think he is only 18 or so, makes it even more remarkable. 4/10.

Impey: Should of remained in the change rooms as far as I'm concerned. Didn't seem to give a **** for the most of the night, and it reflected in his performance. For his own good, he needs to be sent back to the Maggies for a decent stint to discover if he really wants to make a career out of his God given abilities. I hope Jarman can turn it around soon, because he is a phenomenal talent with such a high ceiling. 1/10.

Ryder: Won his fair share of taps, but had influence on the match itself. To those who thought it was a good idea to jeer him anytime he went near it can GAGF. 4/10.

Broadbent: I thought he was okay. Couldn't knock his effort, which compared to most, was good. Having a better season then last year. 5/10.

Clurey: Apart from Jonas, he is our second best defender this season. His one on one defensive work was once again solid. Was also a victim of the teams inability to defend the centre corridor. 4/10.

Polec: Definately not our worse on the night. Tried numerous times to launch some run and carry, but had little support. Back to his best, but imagine what he could be if he had a right foot? 5/10.

Toumpas: I think the general sentiment is that he won't make it at this level. Having said that, some of his more highly fancied teammates faired worse then him on the night. To the supporters who thought it was amusing to single him out after the game can also GAGF. 3/10.

Great post and effort. But you must be mates with westhoff to give that write up. Junk possessions and when had a chance to kick an important goal....goes to water. We continue to support mediocrity with our senior players.

 

[FishingRick04]

Impey 3 contested possessions and 5 tackles.

Ah Chee 4 contested possessions and 0 tackles.

And Ah Chee was running at 77.8% DE, not 90%.

Just because Impey was bad, doesn't meant Ah Chee wasn't worse for a so called 'big bodied' player.

Paper had 90 unless I read the wrong column.

Point is people have an off day. Why did Ar h have an off day? Did he lose confidence for spending so much on the Pine or was it the game? I do t know but he was in good form.

I think it's harsh for him to be scapegoated after a good entry to the AFL system with limited opportunities.

I'm pretty sure Impey's shitness overrides his 4 tackles and maybe Arch was in a section of our not touch a man zone where he couldn't lay a tackle who knows.

I'd prefer one of Hamish or Broadbent to be dropped before him and S Gray.

 

[Janus]

Just got home from camping, didn't see the game and haven't seen any highlights, a) should I bother and b) can someone please sum up this debacle in 2-3 sentences before I go through the thread.

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Port thought that since everyone else was having the bye, they should get an extra one.

 

[rumply]

They're easily the least intelligent supporter base in Victoria.

heck, so what's that make you lot? Pond scum?...

 

[bomberclifford]

Essendon supporters have been non-existent around these parts for a decade. Win one game and they start flooding the board like roaches.

 

[simmo_bc]

Like I said the majority weren't there 4 years ago in Melbourne.. all theatregoers. The certain type on Facebook that have a go at you if you're the slightest bit negative.

To be fair, you said you wouldn't go to another Port game this year.

After living in Melbs for many years, I've only ever found the cheer squad to be one eyed and parochial, exactly what you want from a cheer squad.

 

[PAFC66]

Essendon supporters have been non-existent around these parts for a decade. Win one game and they start flooding the board like roaches.

When we're they last relevant

 

[simmo_bc]

I still don't quite understand how Essendon got the #1 pick last year when their poor season was driven by a suspension, counter intuitive to me.