Mega Thread Potential future father-son selections

[Turbocat]

Only a matter of time till Father Son is done. The last few years have cooked it. Brisbane could pay for Ashcroft with this year R1 and add next years R1… and they still are a mile in front. Access to kids good enough to go that early are just so hard to get if you are a finals team.

People talk about the romanticism … but there is no romanticism if the player is late pick fringe player. Its all about if the player is a gun talent.

Maybe just throw everyone in the pool and then ..just like Ollie henry etc …they find a way to get to where they want to be when uncontracted

 

[iameviljez]

Only a matter of time till Father Son is done. The last few years have cooked it.

Completely disagree with this. Father/Son has been a thing in Australian Rules, in one way or the other, for the last 100 years and it's not about to go away now.

Deep down, supporters don't want the likes of Daicos/Ablett/Darcy/etc playing in the wrong jumper. Footy is still romantic and tribal, always has been.

What will happen IMO is that the points system will be re-jigged to kill off or lessen the discount.

People talk about the romanticism … but there is no romanticism if the player is late pick fringe player

Even that I disagree with. Jed Bews wouldn't have been picked up by us if he weren't Andrew's son, and yet it's still good to see him playing in the hoops.

 

[Turbocat]

Completely disagree with this. Father/Son has been a thing in Australian Rules, in one way or the other, for the last 100 years and it's not about to go away now.

Deep down, supporters don't want the likes of Daicos/Ablett/Darcy/etc playing in the wrong jumper. Footy is still romantic and tribal, always has been.

What will happen IMO is that the points system will be re-jigged to kill off or lessen the discount.


Even that I disagree with. Jed Bews wouldn't have been picked up by us if he weren't Andrew's son, and yet it's still good to see him playing in the hoops.

It has not been 100 years at all. It started with Barrassi ..it certainly predates the concept of draft and the idea…of trying to socialise the comp thru spreading talent thru a draft. It has change that many times over the years ..that its barely the same. Going from 50 games to 25 games to 50 then 100. Its changed from including coachs . Its changed. from accessing them for R3 picks to matching ..to points …. and now with the introduction of aflw. we can have a genetic link of 1 game.

…and I see no reason why Dacios and Ashcroft as players should be gifted advantages that the likes of JHF and Harley Reid have not been .. If a side like Geelong wants the player then they could draft them….or like with Ollie Henry bring them in when OOC.

No one cares about late picks like Bews really… The main issue is high level talent not going to the bottom sides. If one excluded Father Son from R1 …most of the grumbles woudl disappear. The Camporeale for Carlton or Welsh in Adelaide will be interesting to see where in draft they go.

 

[iameviljez]

It has not been 100 years at all. It started with Barrassi

Fair point. I didn't realise that zoning actually went that far back in the VFL.

 

[Commando]

Didn't our 07 team have about 30 sons?
Now doubt it's changed before we get that benefit

 

[Two Planks]

Mooney and Wojo F/S got some good reports about their game in the local junior GF. Doesn’t anyone know anything further about them? The addy article said they are late developers and know could be on track to be drafted next year. Does anyone know what position they play? It’d be good to find some key position f/s in the coming years.

Highly unlikely that Wojo, Mooney or Riccardi will make it onto AFL lists. They're good solid under 18s players but not stand outs. Playing seniors at GFL level would be the ceiling for all of them in my opinion.

 

[Burtyl78]

Only a matter of time till Father Son is done. The last few years have cooked it. Brisbane could pay for Ashcroft with this year R1 and add next years R1… and they still are a mile in front. Access to kids good enough to go that early are just so hard to get if you are a finals team.

People talk about the romanticism … but there is no romanticism if the player is late pick fringe player. Its all about if the player is a gun talent.

Maybe just throw everyone in the pool and then ..just like Ollie henry etc …they find a way to get to where they want to be when uncontracted

It’s not done, the afl just has to pull their finger out and make the team pay the appropriate amount, if it’s pick 1, the they have to find a pick 1

 

[iameviljez]

Highly unlikely that Wojo, Mooney or Riccardi will make it onto AFL lists. They're good solid under 18s players but not stand outs. Playing seniors at GFL level would be the ceiling for all of them in my opinion.

They are barely getting a game at u18 level, they aren't getting onto AFL lists.

 

[iameviljez]

It’s not done, the afl just has to pull their finger out and make the team pay the appropriate amount, if it’s pick 1, the they have to find a pick 1

That's a bit silly, to be honest. For a start, you need to know well in advance of the draft where the player will actually go.

 

[StonedCat]

Even that I disagree with. Jed Bews wouldn't have been picked up by us if he weren't Andrew's son, and yet it's still good to see him playing in the hoops.

With a premiership medallion to boot

 

[thejester]

Only a matter of time till Father Son is done. The last few years have cooked it. Brisbane could pay for Ashcroft with this year R1 and add next years R1… and they still are a mile in front. Access to kids good enough to go that early are just so hard to get if you are a finals team.

People talk about the romanticism … but there is no romanticism if the player is late pick fringe player. Its all about if the player is a gun talent.

Maybe just throw everyone in the pool and then ..just like Ollie henry etc …they find a way to get to where they want to be when uncontracted

Think there’s more chance of the draft going before F/S tbh.

 

[Vdubs]

It has not been 100 years at all. It started with Barrassi ..it certainly predates the concept of draft and the idea…of trying to socialise the comp thru spreading talent thru a draft. It has change that many times over the years ..that its barely the same. Going from 50 games to 25 games to 50 then 100. Its changed from including coachs . Its changed. from accessing them for R3 picks to matching ..to points …. and now with the introduction of aflw. we can have a genetic link of 1 game.

…and I see no reason why Dacios and Ashcroft as players should be gifted advantages that the likes of JHF and Harley Reid have not been .. If a side like Geelong wants the player then they could draft them….or like with Ollie Henry bring them in when OOC.

No one cares about late picks like Bews really… The main issue is high level talent not going to the bottom sides. If one excluded Father Son from R1 …most of the grumbles woudl disappear. The Camporeale for Carlton or Welsh in Adelaide will be interesting to see where in draft they go.

Interesting we can have different likes and emphases. I love the F-S concept.
Watching the boys of the 3-peat Lions team bearing fruit is great, as was watching Scarlett, Hawkins, Abletts x 2, Blake, Bews contributing to our successes.
Imagine if Michael Turner never was a Cat.
We have had some flops, but overall, it is a concept that is endearing, albeit not part of "equality".

 

[CatRiot]

They are barely getting a game at u18 level, they aren't getting onto AFL lists.

I thought the Mooney boy was supposed to be a gun

 

[CatRiot]

Didn't our 07 team have about 30 sons?
Now doubt it's changed before we get that benefit

Not many probably married and had kids with Amazonian women... probably the throw around small types, and will have smaller offspring

Hopefully if i marry the amazonian stripper I met, you'll see my kid in the hoops in 20 years time lol

 

[iameviljez]

I thought the Mooney boy was supposed to be a gun

Every puff piece makes em sound that way

 

[smotherking]

Can’t wait to use a whole bunch of junk picks on these two

 

[goyoucatters]

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Can’t wait to use a whole bunch of junk picks on these two

Brilliant. And now just two brothers to go to make up the 'next generation' set...

#youknowitmakessense

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Only a matter of time till Father Son is done. The last few years have cooked it. Brisbane could pay for Ashcroft with this year R1 and add next years R1… and they still are a mile in front. Access to kids good enough to go that early are just so hard to get if you are a finals team.

People talk about the romanticism … but there is no romanticism if the player is late pick fringe player. Its all about if the player is a gun talent.

Maybe just throw everyone in the pool and then ..just like Ollie henry etc …they find a way to get to where they want to be when uncontracted

Academies would have to go before F/S does. One is a random lotto while the other is a direct manipulation to benefit only a select few.

Some miss out on F/S due to luck, where as most miss out on academies because they dont have equal rights to it

 

[Turbocat]

Academies would have to go before F/S does. One is a random lotto while the other is a direct manipulation to benefit only a select few.

Some miss out on F/S due to luck, where as most miss out on academies because they dont have equal rights to it

The Northern academies are an expansion idealistic pursuit … cant see them going in any major way. non vic clubs are going power and numbers.. Tas will be next.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I thought the Mooney boy was supposed to be a gun

Early on he was talked up that way, but never came on as he got older.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The Northern academies are an expansion idealistic pursuit … cant see them going in any major way. non vic clubs are going power and numbers.. Tas will be next.

Would be incredibly hypocritical to keep these whilst removing F/S. At least one is available to all

 

[goyoucatters]

Academies would have to go before F/S does. One is a random lotto while the other is a direct manipulation to benefit only a select few.

In the choice between maintaining a 'random lotto' or a 'direct manipulation to benefit only a select few', surely we all know just where the AFL would land.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

In the choice between maintaining a 'random lotto' or a 'direct manipulation to benefit only a select few', surely we all know just where the AFL would land.

Anything to prevent expansion state teams sitting down the bottom of the ladder.

Hasn’t the NRL done something similar with the Melbourne storm having a ridiculous winning run over years??

It’s no coincidence that development state teams have success in these codes.

It’s teams like st kilda north bulldogs that get left behind

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Highly unlikely that Wojo, Mooney or Riccardi will make it onto AFL lists. They're good solid under 18s players but not stand outs. Playing seniors at GFL level would be the ceiling for all of them in my opinion.

Just like Tommy Stewart, hey? Rotting away at South Barwon...

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So an update on the status of father sons from the cohort then:

2022 - Oscar Riccardi
2023 - Max Brownless
2023 - Campbell Scholl
2024 - Jett Milburn
2024 - Alfie Wojcinski
2025 - Jagger Mooney
2025 - Boston Riccardi
2026 - Jack Graham
2027 - Oscar King
2027 - Monty Wojcinski
2028 - James Taylor
2029 - Harry Scarlett
2029 - Oliver Scarlett
2030 - Boh Enright
2030 - Max Ling
2030 - Archie Johnson
2031 - Jimmy Harley
2031 - Freddie Mackie

Has anyone seen Graham, King, or 2nd Wojo?