Preview Pre-Season 2015 - Training, Pics etc

[reg_lower91]

So with all of the various "tailored" programs it wouldn't or couldn't be included?..............kidding right.

Nowhere has it been established that his 30 shots are, indeed, extras.

So blokes like Ablett, Rockliff, Priddis, Kennedy and co who have regular 40 possession games on top of training, all have hammy issues.....right?

As a kid (read teenager) as well as training for 3 different competitions, every available daylight hour was spent kicking with a mate.
Usually "Forcies back" = kicking as far as we possibly could...maximum effort and distance every kick. Soft tissue injuries only became
an issue as an adult, when I had to work a job, home duties etc limiting my practice and, therefore, fitness.
Today's kids (even many of the good ones) spend more time on a game consul.

How times have changed, and how gullible our wannabe experts are.

Right, so because a programme suits these 40-possessions-a-game players, it automatically suits Casboult too? And because it once suited you (an amateur player), it should also suit him?

I reiterate my point before - I'm sure Cas is taking shots from all different angles and all different distances. As you said yourself, he will be instructed to kick through the ball on every single occassion, regardless of the difficulty or ease of the aforementioned. Do not underestimate the strain this would be putting on his hamstrings - especially when he's doing it 150 times a week (minimum) for 6 months straight. Even more so when you couple that with a pre-season training programme.

I'll take the advice of our coaches and sports scientists any day of the week, especially over the opinion of someone who thinks 'forcies back' is a legitimate drill to prove 30 shots a day isn't enough.

 

[marcmurphy#3]

The amount of kicking done by the players is heavily monitored by the sports science/medical staff. Coaches absolutely hate it, but understand it is a necessary limitation (too much kicking is thought to lead especially to OP)

 

[HARKER]

Reminds me of lining up for my TB shots.

 

[PaddySoul]

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Reminds me of lining up for my TB shots.

With that one bloke who'd go around punching people in the spot afterwards...

But getting photos at 6am! No way holmes... I'd look ratsh*t...

 

[thylacine60]

Good thing you look spectacular at 7, PS!

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Yeah sonny...your generation. You are so well qualified to respond......or at least think you are.
The age of entitlement

The whole generation of entitlement thing is getting really tired. I didn't realise people born after 1981 aren't allowed to have opinions.

 

[thylacine60]

I was quite entitled before extinction had me look at things differently.

 

[Coona Blues]

The whole generation of entitlement thing is getting really tired. I didn't realise people born after 1981 aren't allowed to have opinions.

MEB have plenty of respect for you.

My post was twisted to "Levi can't kick because of computer games....darned kids"

If anything was disrespecting a lifetime of experience and the effect of a "different model". My point was that I, like many,
grew up with our only entertainment being a footy or a book. We kicked sometimes from daylight to dark with no ill effects
from soft tissue injuries and the like. This sports science stuff is largely (not entirely) people justifying their existence, change for
the sake of change and quite a few other clichés.

A flippant response demanded a contemptuous one.

As for work hours, before my debilitating injuries nearly 5 years ago, I worked over 100 hours per week every week and a holiday
was never thought of. Commute Jatz? I drove over 100000 kilometres a year as a portion of my vocation. (no not truckie....1000 k's
round trip twice a week was commonplace).

Entitlement comment is about expectations, your view of the world, how you spend your leisure time and how you regard and treat others.

 

[thylacine60]

MEB have plenty of respect for you.

My post was twisted to "Levi can't kick because of computer games....darned kids"

If anything was disrespecting a lifetime of experience and the effect of a "different model". My point was that I, like many,
grew up with our only entertainment being a footy or a book. We kicked sometimes from daylight to dark with no ill effects
from soft tissue injuries and the like. This sports science stuff is largely (not entirely) people justifying their existence, change for
the sake of change and quite a few other clichés.

A flippant response demanded a contemptuous one.

As for work hours, before my debilitating injuries nearly 5 years ago, I worked over 100 hours per week every week and a holiday
was never thought of. Commute Jatz? I drove over 100000 kilometres a year as a portion of my vocation. (no not truckie....1000 k's
round trip twice a week was commonplace).

Entitlement comment is about expectations, your view of the world, how you spend your leisure time and how you regard and treat others.

And it ain't generational, CB.

 

[Jatz]

MEB have plenty of respect for you.

My post was twisted to "Levi can't kick because of computer games....darned kids"

If anything was disrespecting a lifetime of experience and the effect of a "different model". My point was that I, like many,
grew up with our only entertainment being a footy or a book. We kicked sometimes from daylight to dark with no ill effects
from soft tissue injuries and the like. This sports science stuff is largely (not entirely) people justifying their existence, change for
the sake of change and quite a few other clichés.

A flippant response demanded a contemptuous one.

As for work hours, before my debilitating injuries nearly 5 years ago, I worked over 100 hours per week every week and a holiday
was never thought of. Commute Jatz? I drove over 100000 kilometres a year as a portion of my vocation. (no not truckie....1000 k's
round trip twice a week was commonplace).

Entitlement comment is about expectations, your view of the world, how you spend your leisure time and how you regard and treat others.

Good on you, genuinely.

But let's not make out you weren't having a swipe at today's generation. Your generalisations aren't always accurate.

 

[Coona Blues]

I was quite entitled before extinction had me look at things differently.

Let's do the EFA thing.....seriously

I was quite entitled before near extinction of both my wife and I, in separate incidents, had me look at things differently.

I have little time for those in insular privileged environments, who have neither the experience nor capacity to see things
beyond their narrow sphere of existence. The country is full of "unentitled", struggling, neglected people who are overlooked
by so many. The many overlookers love to be seen at public charity events and the like and pat themselves on the back for
their social conscience and generosity, before returning to their comfort, if not decadence. I live in a different world and see life
much differently. There are many much worse off than me, that I did not previously see, being so consumed by my life.

 

[Coona Blues]

Good on you, genuinely.

But let's not make out you weren't having a swipe at today's generation. Your generalisations aren't always accurate.

MEB, you perceive a generalisation. I concede perhaps there was one, however, I genuinely have similar feelings regarding some from
my generation or even older. It is more prevalent or perhaps obvious among the young, but the "entitled" cross all generations.
Those who live in their own comfortable existence, oblivious to the plight of others, and those who have not experiences life from
varying perspectives.

My experiences range from board room down to the other end of the spectrum. I have had the benefit (or otherwise) of a wide
range of life experience, and admit to having little tolerance of some attitudes (perhaps to an unhealthy level)

 

[HARKER]

My experiences range from board room down to the other end of the spectrum. I have had the benefit (or otherwise) of a wide
range of life experience, and admit to having little tolerance of some attitudes (perhaps to an unhealthy level)

The funny thing is that in many instances, it's us that have imparted this sense of entitled upon the next generation.

No doubt the current generation will have similar quibbles about the following generation and so on.

 

[cookie monster]

I thought I just walked into the depression forum, but then realised it was indeed the Carlton Training thread. Can we move on now?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

MEB, you perceive a generalisation. I concede perhaps there was one, however, I genuinely have similar feelings regarding some from
my generation or even older. It is more prevalent or perhaps obvious among the young, but the "entitled" cross all generations.
Those who live in their own comfortable existence, oblivious to the plight of others, and those who have not experiences life from
varying perspectives.

My experiences range from board room down to the other end of the spectrum. I have had the benefit (or otherwise) of a wide
range of life experience, and admit to having little tolerance of some attitudes (perhaps to an unhealthy level)

CB you've quoted Jatz but named me here.

I respect your response and I agree that you can find entitled people from all walks of life.

Good luck to Levi with his goal kicking practice

 

[Sin City]

For those of you saying 30 shots at goal every day isn't a lot, you're kidding yourself. I'm presuming that those 30 shots are at the end of training and on top of however many shots on goal he's had during training. At 30sec per shot (and I actually think it'd be closer to 1min after giving advice for every shot) that's an extra 75min of training every week (150min if closer to 1min). You might also then underestimate just how much strain that would be putting on his kicking foot's hamstring. Let the experts do what they do best - monitor his workload. Afterall we'll be the first ones to complain if he was to do a hamstring.

You are right that for a long time there has been a belief at clubs that goal kicking practice places too much strain on players legs and at certain clubs (St Kilda were one) they weren't doing any at all. Personally I've always believed it was a bullshit theory, players out there are (over time) conditioning themselves to do far greater physical feats than taking 30 shots at goal. Too much over analysing by the clubs in this case.

 

[ShanDog]

Yeah, 30 shots at goal... and many kilometres of running, repeat 200 and 400m sprints, tackling drills, agility drills, contact drills, oh hey looks it's time for a weights sessions full of deadlifting and squats, back outside for some full-ground game scenario drills... see y'all back here at 8am tomorrow? By the way, make sure you do your 'extras' tonight, your skin fold is still 1.6% over the ideal level at this point in pre-season.....

 

[thylacine60]

.....and here's 300k........

 

[ShanDog]

Not sure how the 300k stops a hammy from pinging.

Would make me feel better if it did, though.

 

[Sin City]

Not sure how the 300k stops a hammy from pinging.

Would make me feel better if it did, though.

I agree that if you or me went out and took 30 shots at goal straight up after training we'd probably put some strain on our legs, but I think it's pretty reasonable to suggest that after a few seasons a player could gradually condition himself to include 30 extra shots at goal as part of his training load. That's what I was getting at when I said players are (over time) conditioning themselves to do great physical feats in their training loads.

 

[F_therest]

Nowhere has it been established that his 30 shots are, indeed, extras.
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Quote from article:

'Casboult said he had been having extra goal-kicking practice — up to 30 shots per day'

 

[PaddySoul]

Good thing you look spectacular at 7, PS!

Yeah the eyes wouldn't be hangin' as far outta the head by 7 and my sponsors iTrim, Head & Shoulders and Nescafe Blend 43 make sure of it

 

[PuffDragon89]

I thought I just walked into the depression forum, but then realised it was indeed the Carlton Training thread. Can we move on now?

I believe Windy left some Psychomagnotheric Slime in the thread when he posted here. Seems to have done a number on Coona Blues

 

[thylacine60]

Who we gonna call?

 

[Mezzoculo]

Bruce Mathieson?