Premiership Clock

[INSANE]

I don't know where to put them on my clock, but, Carlton of the last two years remind me very much of West Coast of 2002-4. I reckon in 2012 they will be a massive chance.

This year will be one of Saints, Pies, Dogs, Crows and if they get their shit together Hawthorn.

 

[hot_pies81]

Pies went from 15th in 2000 to Grand Finalists in 2002/03, then disappeared from finals action for a while.
Also went from premiers in 1990 to.....um when did we make the finals again after that????

I know its a cliche, but footy is a funny game and almost anybody is a contender every year.

Realistically though Collingwood's window of opportunity could last as long as five years. Geelong, StKilda, Sydney, Hawthorn and WB still have quality sides and any of them could win a Premiership in the next 2-3 years. Sydney had probably done the best job of these 4 teams in regards to recruiting good young talent, so you might see them there and thereabouts for longer than the other three.

Fremantle is probably a year behind the above teams, only because of the injuries they have suffered so far this year and their lack of depth, otherwise the'd be up there again this year.

Carlton, Adelaide, Brisbane and Nth Melbourne could all be a realistic chance in about 2 years. The Blues have a wealth of young talent, Niel Craig can still rally the troops, Vossy needs more luck with injuries and Nth just need to perfect Scott's game plan.

I see Melbourne and the Gold Coast being very strong between 3 to 5 years from now, and could leap-frog some of the teams I have listed above.

Essendon, Richmond, Port and West Coast have some rebuilding ahead. With the exception of WC, they have all have new coaches (Hardwick 2nd year) and holes in their lists that need filling before they can be taken too seriously. 4years+.

GWS 5years+

 

[lozza63]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. In 2008 Hawthorn went 20 wins and 5 losses ( inc finals ) and in 2010 Collingwood went 20 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Very similair seasons in that regard, wouldn't you say? In many peoples opinion 2008 was a tougher season as well. One of the greatest sides of all time in Geelong had only 1 loss until the GF, and the Dogs and the Saints were both very good that year and legitimite contenders.

A big arguement could be made that Hawthorn had a better year in 2008 and were a better side than Collingwood of 2010. Almost identical win-loss records and we did have to beat one of the great sides of all time in the GF, whereas you only had to beat St Kilda.

Before "only" beating St. Kilda we had to beat a team that had dismantled us 12 months previously, a side which at the beginning of the year was about 2-1 favs and were now not only a Premiership side but a dual one at that! They had gone through 100 games with an 80% record. They were an umpiring decision away from a likely 4th GF appearance - dont think you should short sell teams such as Geelong (which you had labeled one of the greatest of all time, they were even better after having a 2nd triumph) and St.Kilda.

If 2008 game it could be argued that Geelong kicked themselves out of the game before half time, also they lost Harley to a big hit on the point of half time to compound their plight. The Hawks deserved their victory on the day nevertheless, they lost Croad and Young before half time and Hodge was greatly inconvenienced from the game the week before IIRC.

 

[Topper Harley]

I'm a bit confused.

Do we factor in daylight savings?

The Perth Teams are 2 hours behind, and the South Australian teams are 30 minutes behind, should I adjust accordingly?

feedback and advice would be appriciated.

 

[The Bomb]

Norm Smith left this for Melbourne supporters.

 

[Rioli magic]

Norm Smith left this for Melbourne supporters.

 

[rose jam]

Didn't an inferior version of Collingwood tear Geelong apart in 08'?

Actually that "accidental" win spawned the idea for the gameplan of 2010.

But back on topic, Hawthorn are so average it's laughable. Just a very middle of the table team that call fall inside the 8 or outside of it.
Midfield is average AFL midfield and the backline is terrible.
The fluke of 2008 severely makes people overrate this middle of the table club.

 

[johncitizen]

Pies at 23.59 for the next few years

 

[Bardo State]

Actually that "accidental" win spawned the idea for the gameplan of 2010.

But back on topic, Hawthorn are so average it's laughable. Just a very middle of the table team that call fall inside the 8 or outside of it.
Midfield is average AFL midfield and the backline is terrible.
The fluke of 2008 severely makes people overrate this middle of the table club.

Please tell me what part of that was on topic.

 

[Damon_3388]

the Tiges

 

[beerbandit]

hawthorn supporters are the only ones who rate hawthorn

mediocre side at best.

 

[Bardo State]

hawthorn supporters are the only ones who rate hawthorn

mediocre side at best.

And your point is...

 

[Damon_3388]

And your point is...

The point is that whenever any Collingwood supporter over the last couple of years has talked the team up "above their station" so to speak (overrated them), then they've been soundly shot down, and Hawks supporters have been among the main culprits. Now that Hawks supporters are overrating their side, isn't it only fair that Collingwood supporters give some of their own back, now that, you know, we're the reigning Premiers?

 

[Bardo State]

The point is that whenever any Collingwood supporter over the last couple of years has talked the team up "above their station" so to speak (overrated them), then they've been soundly shot down, and Hawks supporters have been among the main culprits. Now that Hawks supporters are overrating their side, isn't it only fair that Collingwood supporters give some of their own back, now that, you know, we're the reigning Premiers?

And that has what to do with this thread? So far A hawks supporter has said that we are ahead of essendon, that we won't make top 8 and that the hawks of 08 would beat the pies of 10. The only one that I think that you would disagree with is the third, however this still has nothing to do with the hawks current situation.

And by the way, have you heard the saying "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"?

 

[Damon_3388]

And by the way, have you heard the saying "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"?

Good to know you also recognise the stupidity of it all

 

[feathers]

hawthorn supporters are the only ones who rate hawthorn

mediocre side at best.

yet, we are 3rd favourite for the flag,go figure.

 

[raskolnikov]

yet, we are 3rd favourite for the flag,go figure.

Just like the last two years. Go figure.

 

[lethal03]

After Essendon and Gold Coast finished with them

That's wrong

Love the p$#@d off look

 

[Damon_3388]

yet, we are 3rd favourite for the flag,go figure.

All that indicates is that punters are putting money on you.

 

[lethal03]

Not for very much longer so enjoy it while it lasts.

More John Holmes than Nicky D

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Richmond beat us in 2008, Essendon beat St Kilda in 2010 et etc etc. It doesn't mean that they are better sides, just as Collingwood of 2010 isn't a better side than Geelong of 2008.

I know some Hawthorn fans were arrogant tossers after we won the flag, but Collingwood fans this year have taken it to a whole new level.

You guys are really convinced you are on the brink of a dynasty and the Collingwood side of 2010 is one of the great premiership sides huh? How wrong you are on both accounts

I tend to agree. Over the past decade we have been privileged to see Brisbane win their 3 premierships and Geelong to dominate the competiton for the last three years - but this extraordinary. Most teams win a premiership and then start to drop away. Collingwood had a good year, but they were beaten by some of the teams from the lower part of the 8, unlike Geelong, so they don't have the hallmarks of a dynasty, they were just a very good team in 2010.

 

[Damon_3388]

I tend to agree. Over the past decade we have been privileged to see Brisbane win their 3 premierships and Geelong to dominate the competiton for the last three years - but this extraordinary. Most teams win a premiership and then start to drop away. Collingwood had a good year, but they were beaten by some of the teams from the lower part of the 8, unlike Geelong, so they don't have the hallmarks of a dynasty, they were just a very good team in 2010.

Collingwood's only loses for the year were to St Kilda (Round 3), Geelong (Round 9), Brisbane (Round 10) and Hawthorn (Round 22). Geelong lost to Fremantle (Round 3), Carlton (Round 5), St Kilda (Round 13), Adelaide (Round 16) and Collingwood (Round 19, Preliminary Final). Not saying we're headed for a dynasty (that's unknown), but to pretend like Geelong didn't lose to supposed lesser sides during 2010 is revisionist history.

 

[KissStephanie]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

No, I was right, right and right.

In 2008 Hawthorn went 20 wins and 5 losses ( inc finals ) and in 2010 Collingwood went 20 wins 4 losses and 2 draws.

Correct, and 20 wins, 4 losses and 2 draws is better than 20 wins and 5 losses. Collingwood also finished on top last year, which is better than Hawthorn which finished 2nd in 2008, and Collingwood also had a percentage of more than 141% last year, which is significantly better than Hawthorn's percentage of about 131% in 2008.

Very similair seasons in that regard, wouldn't you say?

I didn't say it wasn't similar. I said that Collingwood of 2010 is better than Hawthorn of 2008, and you have shown nothing at all to suggest otherwise.

In many peoples opinion 2008 was a tougher season as well.

Which people? Hawthorn supporters maybe? In 2008, Hawthorn played twelve matches against teams that made the finals in 2007, and seven of those were against the four best teams of 2007. In 2010, Collingwood also played twelve matches against teams that made the finals in 2009, and seven of those were against the four best teams of 2009 as well, so that was the same for both Collingwood and Hawthorn.

In 2008, Hawthorn only played the other top-4 teams of 2008 three times (one each) before the finals, and only ten matches against the other seven finalists. In 2010, Collingwood played six matches against the other top-4 teams of 2010 (two each) before the finals, and twelve matches against the other seven finalists, so in reality, Collingwood's fixture of 2010 was more difficult than Hawthorn's fixture of 2008.

Collingwood only played a total of five matches against the bottom four teams of 2009, and backed that up by playing only five matches against the bottom four teams of 2010 as well, including only one each against the wooden spooners of both 2009 and 2010. Hawthorn in 2008 on the other hand also played five matches against the bottom four teams of 2007, but they got to play the wooden spooner twice. Hawthorn in 2008 also got to play the bottom four of 2008 in six matches including two against the 2008 wooden spooner again as well!

So, who are the "many people" that said Hawthorn's fixture of 2008 was more difficult than Collingwood's fixture of 2010? How on earth could these "many people" possibly come to that conclusion when it's clear that Collingwood's fixture of 2010 was more difficult than Hawthorn's fixture of 2008 as I have just shown?

One of the greatest sides of all time in Geelong had only 1 loss until the GF, and the Dogs and the Saints were both very good that year and legitimite contenders.

Oh please. In 2008, Hawthorn had the luxury of only playing those three teams once each before the finals, and that's because they had more matches against the bottom four than Collingwood had last year. Collingwood had to play St.Kilda, Geelong, and Western Bulldogs twice each last year though, and then thrashed each of them again in the finals. How is that worse? It actually confirms that Collingwood had a more difficult fixture.

A big arguement could be made that Hawthorn had a better year in 2008 and were a better side than Collingwood of 2010.

Collingwood of 2010 were better than Hawthorn of 2008 as I have shown.

Almost identical win-loss records and we did have to beat one of the great sides of all time in the GF, whereas you only had to beat St Kilda.

Collingwood had a better win-loss record in 2010, and we had to beat one of the greatest teams of all time Geelong in the Preliminary Final, so what? Collingwood then had to play St.Kilda, which were a more experienced team, and they had the extra advantage and motivation of a heartbreaking loss in the 2009 Grand Final on their side.

I really don't know why I even bother responding to you, because you are going to ignore all the facts and try and twist things around to suit your own arguement

I haven't twisted anything. There is plenty to show that Collingwood of 2010 was better than Hawthorn of 2008, and I'm still waiting to see something that shows otherwise.

You're unreasonable, biased and have no credibility

Ha ha ha! I'm a realist and I have provided the truth. You are in denial and have not shown anything to support your opinion, yet you have the nerve to say that I don't have credibility when you have actually shown that you don't have any? I think you're a hypocrite, and I have shown that Collingwood of 2010 were a better team than Hawthorn of 2008, as is also stated in this thread which I tend to agree with because the person that compiled that list spent a lot more effort on it than you have.

 

[KissStephanie]

Hawthorn 08 team would tear Collingwood '10 apart pies fans need to stop being so bias.

An opinion is neither right nor wrong, but the only people that could possibly think that Hawthorn of 2008 was better than Collingwood of 2010 are those that are either biased Hawthorn supporters, or those that are biased anti-Collingwood. Which one of those two are you?

The Hawthorn team of that year was incredible and deserved to win on grand final day with a very smart and tough brand of footy.

Hawthorn were a good team in 2008, but Geelong were the best team that year and they fell over on Grand Final day. They had more of the footy, and they wasted their opportunities. All credit to Hawthorn for taking advantage of that and for sticking to their plan, and for deliberately rushing so many behinds, but that Grand Final was an anomaly.

If the Collingwood '10 team played the Geelong 08 team in the grand final the pies would of got hammered.

Ha ha ha! Based on what exactly? Collingwood played Geelong once in 2008, and we beat them by 86 points! Since then, Collingwood has improved a lot as well, so therefore I think it's fair to say that Collingwood of 2010 would have been a great chance to beat Geelong of 2008 as well.

...........period

Period? Are you referring to a school lesson, or a females menstrual cycle? Maybe you mean full-stop?

Since the beginning of 2008, Collingwood has played Geelong six times for three wins and three losses. However, since the beginning of 2008, Hawthorn has played Geelong six times as well for only one win and five losses! The 2008 Grand Final reminds me of Steven Bradbury's gold medal.

 

[Hawks42011]

1. Why use the 24 hour clock?

I was going to use a 12 hour clock, but there wouldn't have been a bad enough spot to put Brisbane