Training Preseason 2022/23 Talk & Media/Social Media etc.

[crow2crow]

There you go..

was only a matter of time...

 

[rabidcrow]

Yeah Id definitely argue murphy is a better kick than keays.

Not sure how long you have been following footy but Keays is at least as good as half the blokes that played in our premiership years

Your obsession with putting him down is actually pretty comical. I do hope you are right though and he isn’t making our side in the next couple of years - it means we will be very strong


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[1970crow]

Nah, the drafting isn't as bad as you're suggesting .....we had Tippetgate, lost 2 years of draft picks & still made a Grand Final

So that argument doesn't float

There's a reason the Club is about to espouse a 5 year Vision .....it's because the organisation also expects 2023 to ascend on the table .....you don't talk 5 year plans, when you're wallowing in 14th spot

The 5 years that included Gooch, Milera, McAsey and Jones is a problem that needs another 2 years of correction. Tippetgate was irrelevant to us making a GF as we had a mature list that had been topped up to a full salary cap anyway. That's not the case at the moment as it's a genuine rebuild that is still missing a couple of elite mids, which are definitely required. Forget the kids that we selected late last year, the only potentials on our list are Soligo, Pedlar, Rachele and Rankine. The latter are more hope than anything else, not many small forwards transition to elite mids and Pedlar has had issues with injury, but hopefully that's behind him. I think Berry can be A grade though.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Not sure how long you have been following footy but Keays is at least as good as half the blokes that played in our premiership years

Your obsession with putting him down is actually pretty comical. I do hope you are right though and he isn’t making our side in the next couple of years - it means we will be very strong


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What a load of horseshit.

Keays is garbage. His kicking, general disposal and decision making is all fxxkn terrible. Among the worst in the league. Brisbane recognised it and rightfully fxkkn delisted him.

The fapping over the bloke from a few here is just ridiculous..

The reasons/excuses from the Keays fan club in here to keep him in the 22 are too.

They’ve now moved on to “our 97/98 premiership team had some players that werent that great!”.

How has that got any fxxkn thing to do with it?

We have better skilled, better decision making young players, coming in to their 2nd/3rd/4th years now, beating the door down to get into the 22 this year.

You dont keep spuds like keays, murphy, the crab crouch and a cooked sloane in the side when there are talented youngsters beating the door down just because “sometimes teams have a couple of shit players, even our past premiership team did”.

That is the fxxkn dumbest reasoning I reacon I’ve ever heard.. just ludicrous.

The obsession with ben keays is reaching peak stupid levels with the reasoning and excuses made for the bloke just getting more and more ridiculous..

The excuse for him being shit all year last year from R6 onwards was all of a sudden at the end of the season “he had a sore shoulder all year”..

Fxxk off.. sore shoulder or not he still wouldve played the same garbage game he always does.

Fapping over a bloke just cause he runs hard, gives 110% and is a good team man.
Thats whats fxxkn comical.

 

[George Kramer]

The 5 years that included Gooch, Milera, McAsey and Jones is a problem that needs another 2 years of correction. Tippetgate was irrelevant to us making a GF as we had a mature list that had been topped up to a full salary cap anyway. That's not the case at the moment as it's a genuine rebuild that is still missing a couple of elite mids, which are definitely required. Forget the kids that we selected late last year, the only potentials on our list are Soligo, Pedlar, Rachele and Rankine. The latter are more hope than anything else, not many small forwards transition to elite mids and Pedlar has had issues with injury, but hopefully that's behind him. I think Berry can be A grade though.

You missed McHenry.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You missed McHenry.

Gone fishing...

 

[rabidcrow]

What a load of horseshit.

Keays is garbage. His kicking, general disposal and decision making is all fxxkn terrible. Among the worst in the league. Brisbane recognised it and rightfully fxkkn delisted him.

The fapping over the bloke from a few here is just ridiculous..

The reasons/excuses from the Keays fan club in here to keep him in the 22 are too.

They’ve now moved on to “our 97/98 premiership team had some players that werent that great!”.

How has that got any fxxkn thing to do with it?

We have better skilled, better decision making young players, coming in to their 2nd/3rd/4th years now, beating the door down to get into the 22 this year.

You dont keep spuds like keays, murphy, the crab crouch and a cooked sloane in the side when there are talented youngsters beating the door down just because “sometimes teams have a couple of s**t players, even our past premiership team did”.

That is the fxxkn dumbest reasoning I reacon I’ve ever heard.. just ludicrous.

The obsession with ben keays is reaching peak stupid levels with the reasoning and excuses made for the bloke just getting more and more ridiculous..

The excuse for him being s**t all year last year from R6 onwards was all of a sudden at the end of the season “he had a sore shoulder all year”..

Fxxk off.. sore shoulder or not he still wouldve played the same garbage game he always does.

Fapping over a bloke just cause he runs hard, gives 110% and is a good team man.
Thats whats fxxkn comical.

Fapping over a bloke? I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had. Go back and have a look at Kym Koster kicking , or how a James Theissen or Matt Connell played. Keays is right up to those guys as a mid


The only fapping on here is you falling over yourself to agree with the only other poster who shares your view!

Enjoy watching Ben run around for us over the next few years as we rise up the ladder


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[Bearded Clam]

Fapping over a bloke? I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had. Go back and have a look at Kym Koster kicking , or how a James Theissen or Matt Connell played. Keays is right up to those guys as a mid


The only fapping on here is you falling over yourself to agree with the only other poster who shares your view!

Enjoy watching Ben run around for us over the next few years as we rise up the ladder


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So you keep a bloke whos garbage in the side over the younger more talented blokes that are coming up through the ranks.. because he’s a shit player like a few shit players we had playing for us nearly 30 years ago…

Wow.. thats some solid reasoning..

 

[1990crow]

So you keep a bloke whos garbage in the side over the younger more talented blokes that are coming up through the ranks.. because he’s a s**t player like a few s**t players we had playing for us nearly 30 years ago…

Wow.. thats some solid reasoning..

Might be time to have your morning pills.

 

[rabidcrow]

So you keep a bloke whos garbage in the side over the younger more talented blokes that are coming up through the ranks.. because he’s a s**t player like a few s**t players we had playing for us nearly 30 years ago…

Wow.. thats some solid reasoning..

Who are all the blokes ready to go past him in round 1? That keep him out of the 23?

Not Cook
Not Nank
Not Dowling
Not Bond
Not Newchurch
Not Hateley
Not Brown
Obviously in front of McHenry, Jones and Murphy, Sloane and Crouch
Different positions to Borlase, Himmelberg,Keane, Strachan, Gollant, McPherson

There’s 18 he is in front of off the cuff - so who is the youngster that should have his spot?

Or do we just a gift a player games because you like him?


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[Dangarman]

Did we have that many?
1997
Modra during the year but injured so didnt play in GF
McLeod - Though he was only 21 but did win the Best and Fairest that year
Hart - Legend. 23 years old so also still young but had 2 AA's already so he belongs
Rehn - Coming back from 2 x ACL and slowly got back to his best come finals but not during season so dont count him.
Jarman - Yes
Smart - Yes
So 6 Guns but Rehn coming back from ACL. Mods didnt evern play in GF.

In 1998 really it was the same players except Mods was out for most of the year and not picked for the finals and Rehn was back to his absolute best and McLeod turned into a freak and Goody stepped up. The grand final also has lesser lights of Johnson, Eccles and Theissen have great second halfs.

Roo got 18 and 21 Brownlow votes in 97/98, but didn't play in the '97 GF, and racked up modest stats in the '98 GF.

There are 7 players I rate as stars that played in both GF's, but didn't necessarily star in those matches, nor were at peak form in those seasons.

Edwards
Goodwin
Hart
Jarman
McLeod
Rehn
Smart

Add Roo you get 7-8 absolute stars in those years, so I would say we did have that many. Bickley played both GF's as captain, so surely he would be in the mix also. This is always going to be a subjective assessment though.

I don't think many would exclude Hart, Jarman, Smart or dual Norm Smith Medallist McLeod from that list which gives an undisputed 4 stars, wouldn't be much of a stretch to add 3-4 others.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Who are all the blokes ready to go past him in round 1? That keep him out of the 23?

Not Cook
Not Nank
Not Dowling
Not Bond
Not Newchurch
Not Hateley
Not Brown
Obviously in front of McHenry, Jones and Murphy, Sloane and Crouch
Different positions to Borlase, Himmelberg,Keane, Strachan, Gollant, McPherson

There’s 18 he is in front of off the cuff - so who is the youngster that should have his spot?

Or do we just a gift a player games because you like him?


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Where do you play Keays?..

Either Mid or Half forward. Theres no other position.. you arent playing him in defense/half back/wing as we’re stacked with far better options in these positions already. And hes no KPP.

In the midfield/cb role I’d have;

Soligo
Laird
Berry
Shoey
Pedlar (mid/forward)

Before keays.

And in the small forward/hf role there are two, maybe 3, spots available to share between

Rankine
Rachele
Taylor
Sloane
Mchenry

All guys that can also rotate for bursts through the midfield.. all blokes with far better skills, talent and decision making.. and all blokes I’d pick before the hack ben keays for that small forward/half forward role.

We have better options than Ben in the two positions we can put him.

Its time to start using them and move on from a bloke who cant kick, cant handball and cant make decent decisions because he hasnt a single bit of composure to his game.

And as for guys like

Cook
Nank
Newchurch

They all have more talent in their little fingers than Ben.

They need to be given more opportunity to show what they can bring. They are coming into their 2nd/3rd years.. we’re a rebuilding team.. give these lads a good run at it and if they cant prove themselves then fxxk them off…

 

[Thylacinus]

Really hoping to seeing Big Butt's at the internal trial late Friday (Hisense Stadium, Richmond SA, 4.30pm). Initially overlooked (missed his first draft and taken as a late rookie selection in his second in 2018) he has a very important role to play for us at the bottom end of our spine. Also hope that he has developed offesnively as he has something back there that could really help us split the opposition. His absence through injury means we might have a hole there that is exposed and that we would need to cover. Not only was he tight, but he expelled so much in 2021. I thought he was a fraction more loose and occasionally a little sloppy last year. Want to see if he has changed diet and strengthened up so that he is back to his old regular self again. We would all want him to be comfortable back there and his tight, binding function would benefit the whole body or team. In fact, if every player functioned like Big Butts at his best, we would crap all over the opposition and be a real stench in their nostrils. Is anyone able to provide any updates on Jordan's well-being?

 

[Dangerousfield]

Keays should be used sparingly in the centre so that means he's a half forward at best. Sloane when/if he comes back is fighting for the same position. Think we're developing more skilled players for these positions.

We'll get better as a team as we transition this type of player to the fringes of selection and the Murphy McFlurry types out of selection completely, except in dire injury circumstances

I look at Sydney's rise from 15th to GF in two seasons and note they jettisoned a number of more mature low skilled types for skilled debutants over those two seasons. Swans foot skills are very good, I think that's the way to go

 

[crows dude]

Roo got 18 and 21 Brownlow votes in 97/98, but didn't play in the '97 GF, and racked up modest stats in the '98 GF.

There are 7 players I rate as stars that played in both GF's, but didn't necessarily star in those matches, nor were at peak form in those seasons.

Edwards
Goodwin
Hart
Jarman
McLeod
Rehn
Smart

Add Roo you get 7-8 absolute stars in those years, so I would say we did have that many. Bickley played both GF's as captain, so surely he would be in the mix also. This is always going to be a subjective assessment though.

I don't think many would exclude Hart, Jarman, Smart or dual Norm Smith Medallist McLeod from that list which gives an undisputed 4 stars, wouldn't be much of a stretch to add 3-4 others.

Edwards - Wasnt at the time
Goodwin - Wasnt at the time but did have 2 great Grand Finals
Hart - Agreed
Jarman - AGreed
McLeod - Agreed although was 21
Rehn - Agreed but was still getting back to his best in 97. Cook was on top of him the 1st quarter
Smart - Agreed.

 

[LoBu]

Whether Keays is a good player or not, I find it hard to fit Laird, Keays and Sloane in the same team. Let alone Crouch.

I think it will be Keays and Laird, but I don't know if Keays can make it the best 22 all year. Sloane may make a good sub, with Pedlar and Rachele likely sub options to replace.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Edwards - Wasnt at the time
Goodwin - Wasnt at the time but did have 2 great Grand Finals
Hart - Agreed
Jarman - AGreed
McLeod - Agreed although was 21
Rehn - Agreed but was still getting back to his best in 97. Cook was on top of him the 1st quarter
Smart - Agreed.

This whole who was good and who was not in our 97/98 GF teams all stems from some in here thinking we can have a couple of poorly skilled/poor decision making players like Keays in our current team because “we had a couple in our Premiership teams back then”.

Its a ludicrous argument. You dont keep playing your poorly skilled players when you have highly skilled ones beating the door down trying to get into the 22..

What those pursuing such an argument need to do is then go back to 97/98.. tell us which “poorly skilled” guys they are talking about (and I’ve seen Kym Koster name mentioned as one) and name the players in the seconds that shouldve come into the 22 at the time to replace them.

Thats the difference. Also.. We are, in 2023, a rebuilding team, that aint playing in a GF anytime soon, with a few young players with far more potential than Ben Keays that we should be focusing on bringing in over Ben.

Comparing this to our 97/98 team and using it to somehow justify keeping Ben in the 22 is just fxxkn silly..

Two completely different teams.. two completely different situations.

 

[MRB37]

The club absolutely spins its message but the press conference itself seemed quite unprepared and rushed. Saturday morning, dimly lit conference room, half-arsed Facebook live stream with dodgy audio, awkward-ish vibe. Sloane 'stepping down' + Dawson announced simultaneously...

Some are suggesting a call was made on Sloane not being captain a while back but I'm actually in the camp that the final decision was made very recently.

My guess was they were waiting on Dawson to make up his mind. Which probably puts Sloane in a semi-awkward position of holding out some hope he gets to keep it, but then also puts pressure on him to feel that way too in case Dawson says "No" (which Sloane could very well say is selfless behaviour on his part and doing the team thing).

End result is we got what most think is the right man for the job. I'm not really believing the "Doedee has been screwed over" narrative that's now being painted by the media and it doesn't really take a genius to work out why Nicks would lean towards a guy who had his AFL upbringing in the "Bloods" culture that Nicks rates so highly.

 

[crow2crow]

Fapping over a bloke? I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had. Go back and have a look at Kym Koster kicking , or how a James Theissen or Matt Connell played. Keays is right up to those guys as a mid


The only fapping on here is you falling over yourself to agree with the only other poster who shares your view!

Enjoy watching Ben run around for us over the next few years as we rise up the ladder


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connell is actually an excellent comparison

 

[jenny61_99]

What a load of horseshit.

Keays is garbage. His kicking, general disposal and decision making is all fxxkn terrible. Among the worst in the league. Brisbane recognised it and rightfully fxkkn delisted him.

The fapping over the bloke from a few here is just ridiculous..

The reasons/excuses from the Keays fan club in here to keep him in the 22 are too.

They’ve now moved on to “our 97/98 premiership team had some players that werent that great!”.

How has that got any fxxkn thing to do with it?

We have better skilled, better decision making young players, coming in to their 2nd/3rd/4th years now, beating the door down to get into the 22 this year.

You dont keep spuds like keays, murphy, the crab crouch and a cooked sloane in the side when there are talented youngsters beating the door down just because “sometimes teams have a couple of s**t players, even our past premiership team did”.

That is the fxxkn dumbest reasoning I reacon I’ve ever heard.. just ludicrous.

The obsession with ben keays is reaching peak stupid levels with the reasoning and excuses made for the bloke just getting more and more ridiculous..

The excuse for him being s**t all year last year from R6 onwards was all of a sudden at the end of the season “he had a sore shoulder all year”..

Fxxk off.. sore shoulder or not he still wouldve played the same garbage game he always does.

Fapping over a bloke just cause he runs hard, gives 110% and is a good team man.
Thats whats fxxkn comical.

FFS this is getting so bloody tiresome. Give it a bloody rest.

 

[martyparty]

My guess was they were waiting on Dawson to make up his mind. Which probably puts Sloane in a semi-awkward position of holding out some hope he gets to keep it, but then also puts pressure on him to feel that way too in case Dawson says "No" (which Sloane could very well say is selfless behaviour on his part and doing the team thing).

End result is we got what most think is the right man for the job. I'm not really believing the "Doedee has been screwed over" narrative that's now being painted by the media and it doesn't really take a genius to work out why Nicks would lean towards a guy who had his AFL upbringing in the "Bloods" culture that Nicks rates so

My guess was they were waiting on Dawson to make up his mind. Which probably puts Sloane in a semi-awkward position of holding out some hope he gets to keep it, but then also puts pressure on him to feel that way too in case Dawson says "No" (which Sloane could very well say is selfless behaviour on his part and doing the team thing).

End result is we got what most think is the right man for the job. I'm not really believing the "Doedee has been screwed over" narrative that's now being painted by the media and it doesn't really take a genius to work out why Nicks would lean towards a guy who had his AFL upbringing in the "Bloods" culture that Nicks rates so highly.

My guess is Dawson, being the new (and nice) guy, wanted Sloane to be on board with decision and Sloane, initially reluctant to relinquish probably later struggled to understand why the Crows didn’t go with him as a co-captain.
Crows made right decision in the end.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Fapping over a bloke? I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had. Go back and have a look at Kym Koster kicking , or how a James Theissen or Matt Connell played. Keays is right up to those guys as a mid


The only fapping on here is you falling over yourself to agree with the only other poster who shares your view!

Enjoy watching Ben run around for us over the next few years as we rise up the ladder


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"I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had."

 

[BRL121]

The obsession with ben keays is reaching peak stupid levels

I couldn't agree more. Perhaps, you should start looking at home.

 

[crows dude]

Fapping over a bloke? I just said he was best 22 in any side we have ever had. Go back and have a look at Kym Koster kicking , or how a James Theissen or Matt Connell played. Keays is right up to those guys as a mid


The only fapping on here is you falling over yourself to agree with the only other poster who shares your view!

Enjoy watching Ben run around for us over the next few years as we rise up the ladder


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James Thiessen played a great 1998 Grand Final

 

[Golumless]

My guess was they were waiting on Dawson to make up his mind. Which probably puts Sloane in a semi-awkward position of holding out some hope he gets to keep it, but then also puts pressure on him to feel that way too in case Dawson says "No" (which Sloane could very well say is selfless behaviour on his part and doing the team thing).

End result is we got what most think is the right man for the job. I'm not really believing the "Doedee has been screwed over" narrative that's now being painted by the media and it doesn't really take a genius to work out why Nicks would lean towards a guy who had his AFL upbringing in the "Bloods" culture that Nicks rates so highly.

I doubt it, seeing we don't usually announce this stuff until Feb. Probably we just went through our timelines and hadn't settled on it until late last week.