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[Danger in Texas]

you are right, the mix is critical.

We have Laird who is an out and out accumulator. We have Berry who is developing into a very tough contested player that loves to stick a tackle. We have Shoenberg who if he can improve on where he is at, is a class smooth moving young mid....then we have Pedlar. IF Pedlar can get over his injury worries, he has that x factor burst of speed from a contest and a long kick for goal. That is 4 different types in there. Then add in Rankine / Rachele in spurts with both having real x factor, Soligo as a classy user of the ball and we are building a quality young midfield (apart from Laird)

Ideally, once Berry has fully developed, he takes over Laird's role (maybe not as much accumulation, but the same defensive/clearance impact and more impact per possession), and Laird moves back into defence in his final years ('25 or '26 onwards)

Pedlar definitely the wildcard - still very much unproven as a midfield prospect, but if he can get that part of his game going it'll be huge for us

 

[jackster83]

Thanks for responding, member services just confirmed it is not being televised anywhere unfortunately. Was going to have a sick day for nothing.

Guess I'll have to knock off from work early (whilst telling the missus I have to work late).

 

[cleanhands]

A lot of our midfield problems currently are with the mix - at least one of your two best midfielders needs to be a classy type. Currently, none of our best three are of that ilk

This is obviously just a thought and nothing more, but if you added, say, a player like prime Pendlebury to our midfield, it fixes a lot of our problems. It moves Laird to our 2nd best mid, which is the perfect position for him really (no need to concentrate on offensive drive as much, allows him to excel in the coalface and with his defensive work), whilst moving Keays, and the still developing Berry and Schoenberg down a peg (again, takes pressure off of each of them)

By 2026 (when Laird and Keays are probably out of our midfield), we should have Soligo, Berry and Schoenberg as three of our four main midfield cogs, all in their prime. You'd want to add a 185cm+ player (classy or big bodied, either works) to the mix, but that reads as a generally better, more balanced make-up for sure

Our midfield has definitely been below par the past few years, but making Keays the pure scapegoat seems unfair to me

We have the mix now it’s whether Nicks uses it

 

[Jeffcrowe]

you are right, the mix is critical.

We have Laird who is an out and out accumulator. We have Berry who is developing into a very tough contested player that loves to stick a tackle. We have Shoenberg who if he can improve on where he is at, is a class smooth moving young mid....then we have Pedlar. IF Pedlar can get over his injury worries, he has that x factor burst of speed from a contest and a long kick for goal. That is 4 different types in there. Then add in Rankine / Rachele in spurts with both having real x factor, Soligo as a classy user of the ball and we are building a quality young midfield (apart from Laird)

We just need to get Pedlar going forward for now

Bit concerned re last week or 2 training reports and ankle injury

Hopefully he can smash it out the park on these trials and start forward round 1

Schoenberg is the one that is primed to make the big step this year IMO - he’s looking superbly fit , has had some experience and some good games , has learnt from his poor games and best of all he adds real speed to our ball movement with the way he plays

If he can do what Berry did last year and jump a level then things are looking up esp with Rankine seemingly ready to add another piece

 

[Golumless]

We have the mix now it’s whether Nicks uses it

We don't, though we're closer to having it. The main problem is too many are just too young to be prime movers.

Of course, if Rankine genuinely breaks out as a mid prospect, we'll probably rocket up the table, mix be damned, just due to how much a classy ball user would cover a lot of our deficiencies.

 

[cleanhands]

We don't, though we're closer to having it. The main problem is too many are just too young to be prime movers.

Of course, if Rankine genuinely breaks out as a mid prospect, we'll probably rocket up the table, mix be damned, just due to how much a classy ball user would cover a lot of our deficiencies.

With the number of rotations that can go through there they don’t have to spend big minutes thru there

 

[Bearded Clam]

A lot of our midfield problems currently are with the mix - at least one of your two best midfielders needs to be a classy type. Currently, none of our best three are of that ilk

This is obviously just a thought and nothing more, but if you added, say, a player like prime Pendlebury to our midfield, it fixes a lot of our problems. It moves Laird to our 2nd best mid, which is the perfect position for him really (no need to concentrate on offensive drive as much, allows him to excel in the coalface and with his defensive work), whilst moving Keays, and the still developing Berry and Schoenberg down a peg (again, takes pressure off of each of them)

By 2026 (when Laird and Keays are probably out of our midfield), we should have Soligo, Berry and Schoenberg as three of our four main midfield cogs, all in their prime. You'd want to add a 185cm+ player (classy or big bodied, either works) to the mix, but that reads as a generally better, more balanced make-up for sure

Our midfield has definitely been below par the past few years, but making Keays the pure scapegoat seems unfair to me

We desperately need to add another classy ball user into our midfield mix.

And preferably not a draftee. More a bloke with a MINIMUM of 3 years on an AFL list already and more than 50 games to his name already who will be starting to fully shine by R1 2025.

We need to trade one in.. our 2023 and 2024 1sts should be on the table as collateral too.

Problem is.. getting one that wants to move to Adelaide.

We have the coin. We just need to find a player, and more importantly his missus if he has one, who is willing to accept that coin and make the move to SA.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We have the mix now it’s whether Nicks uses it

Unless they really surprise, I don’t see Soligo and Schoenberg as developed enough yet to really see any fruitful improvements

Come ‘24 or ‘25, should be a different story

 

[Danger in Texas]

We desperately need to add another classy ball user into our midfield mix.

And preferably not a draftee. More a bloke with a MINIMUM of 3 years on an AFL list already and more than 50 games to his name already who will be starting to fully shine by R1 2025.

We need to trade one in.. our 2023 and 2024 1sts should be on the table as collateral too.

Problem is.. getting one that wants to move to Adelaide.

We have the coin. We just need to find a player, and more importantly his missus if he has one, who is willing to accept that coin and make the move to SA.

Easier said than done. Not many at all that become available to an SA club on the open market

Reckon we’ll have to draft one and hope they see an early curve of rapid development (Bont or Rozee-like)

 

[cleanhands]

Unless they really surprise, I don’t see Soligo and Schoenberg as developed enough yet to really see any fruitful improvements

Come ‘24 or ‘25, should be a different story

It’s a grounding for the coming years

 

[Mutineer]

Easier said than done. Not many at all that become available to an SA club on the open market

Reckon we’ll have to draft one and hope they see an early curve of rapid development (Bont or Rozee-like)

Draftees

 

[Crow till I die]

We don't, though we're closer to having it. The main problem is too many are just too young to be prime movers.

Of course, if Rankine genuinely breaks out as a mid prospect, we'll probably rocket up the table, mix be damned, just due to how much a classy ball user would cover a lot of our deficiencies.

If Izak does really take to that midfield role, it will be like having Andy McLeod in there again

 

[Crow till I die]

Unless they really surprise, I don’t see Soligo and Schoenberg as developed enough yet to really see any fruitful improvements

Come ‘24 or ‘25, should be a different story

And thats ok too - I'd rather our youngsters get the gametime and to develop and if it takes a bit longer so be it, play the long game

 

[cleanhands]

And thats ok too - I'd rather our youngsters get the gametime and to develop and if it takes a bit longer so be it, play the long game

If we don’t, we’ll miss the boat, it’s now

 

[Bearded Clam]

Easier said than done. Not many at all that become available to an SA club on the open market

Reckon we’ll have to draft one and hope they see an early curve of rapid development (Bont or Rozee-like)

I know.. I was actually going to finish that last comment off with “easier said than done”..

On bont and rozee.. and guys like young walsh at Carlton too..

They still took time before they truely started to shine in the midfield.. Rozee only started to show that he can play near full time mid and dominate last year.. his 4th season.

I just worry that any midfield draftee we grab at the end of this season, whilst they might be ready to play R1 2024, will not truely start to shine until 2028.

Thats a long way aways…

 

[Danger in Texas]

And thats ok too - I'd rather our youngsters get the gametime and to develop and if it takes a bit longer so be it, play the long game

Ehh, I’m happy to ease someone like Soligo into it, has versatility to play mid/wing/fwd so it’s not like he won’t be able to make an impact. Bursts in the middle for now, same with Rankine

Of course, if he’s shown to have made huge strides in his development and leapfrogged a few guys, you play him in the guts now - but we won’t know until games start to be played haha

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Unless they really surprise, I don’t see Soligo and Schoenberg as developed enough yet to really see any fruitful improvements

Come ‘24 or ‘25, should be a different story

Schoenberg is ready to take a big jump up IMO both mentally and physically

Soligo - I’ll be happy if he goes as well as last year , 2nd years can be tough but he looks good when he goes into centre square

 

[jackster83]

Unless they really surprise, I don’t see Soligo and Schoenberg as developed enough yet to really see any fruitful improvements

Come ‘24 or ‘25, should be a different story

Schoenberg is a fourth year player now. He really should be starting to put the foot down.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We desperately need to add another classy ball user into our midfield mix.

And preferably not a draftee. More a bloke with a MINIMUM of 3 years on an AFL list already and more than 50 games to his name already who will be starting to fully shine by R1 2025.

We need to trade one in.. our 2023 and 2024 1sts should be on the table as collateral too.

Problem is.. getting one that wants to move to Adelaide.

We have the coin. We just need to find a player, and more importantly his missus if he has one, who is willing to accept that coin and make the move to SA.

Phillipou or NWM our best bets

NWM will always be outside , but a good one at least

 

[Danger_zone]

We desperately need to add another classy ball user into our midfield mix.

And preferably not a draftee. More a bloke with a MINIMUM of 3 years on an AFL list already and more than 50 games to his name already who will be starting to fully shine by R1 2025.

We need to trade one in.. our 2023 and 2024 1sts should be on the table as collateral too.

Problem is.. getting one that wants to move to Adelaide.

We have the coin. We just need to find a player, and more importantly his missus if he has one, who is willing to accept that coin and make the move to SA.

hollands.. Hollands.. HOLLANDS

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[Danger in Texas]

I know.. I was actually going to finish that last comment off with “easier said than done”..

On bont and rozee.. and guys like young walsh at Carlton too..

They still took time before they truely started to shine in the midfield.. Rozee only started to show that he can play near full time mid and dominate last year.. his 4th season.

I just worry that any midfield draftee we grab at the end of this season, whilst they might be ready to play R1 2024, will not truely start to shine until 2028.

Thats a long way aways…

If said draftee becomes a midfield impact player in their third season (‘26), even if they’re not at superstar level (yet), it shouldn’t be a problem. At least the player archetype is in there and hopefully making some kind of impact, with Berry/Soligo/Schoenberg also in there doing a good part of the heavy lifting

Importantly, the mix is well and truly balanced, unlike now haha

 

[Danger in Texas]

Schoenberg is ready to take a big jump up IMO both mentally and physically

Soligo - I’ll be happy if he goes as well as last year , 2nd years can be tough but he looks good when he goes into centre square

Yeah, the hope for me this year is that Schoenberg and Berry can jump up a couple of tiers each, in impact

Would immeasurably improve the quality of our midfield play

 

[Danger in Texas]

Schoenberg is a fourth year player now. He really should be starting to put the foot down.

Sorry, I should clarify with Schoenberg - I can see him going one of two ways this year - really improving and making a good level of impact, or plateauing somewhat (in which case I’d lose a lot of confidence in him going forward)

Really hoping it’s the former

 

[Betts are off]

I for 1 would love for Sholl to sneak back into the round 1 side on the wing. We all know about his footskills, elite running and ability to accumulate touches. For me he really only needs to harden up a fraction when running through contests and he has all the tools to be a very damaging winger. Certainly would prefer him on the wing over Sloane, Crouch and Hately.

IMO the way we go from 8 wins to 11-13 wins this year is to exert maximum damage from our I50's. So the more good kicks into our forward line this season the better.

 

[jackster83]

Sorry, I should clarify with Schoenberg - I can see him going one of two ways this year - really improving and making a good level of impact, or plateauing somewhat (in which case I’d lose a lot of confidence in him going forward)

Really hoping it’s the former

I haven't completely written Hately off either. He was decent for a stretch of games last year.