Game Day Preview - Round 8 - Collingwood v Sydney MCG Sunday 7 May 3.20pm

[ThePhantom777]

I’m amazed that you’re amazed.

Re Ginni…. We all know he’s a natural footballer but not blessed with natural pace. He’ll never have super pace but his football brain will compensate for that.

But there’s also impatience with other aspects of his game, eg tackling. He’s still only 20 years old and in his third year……and needs time in the gym over the next few summers to develop a bit of body strength.

Ginnivan def the youngster out of the 4 small forwards.
McCreery is 22
Elliott is 30
Hill is 23

 

[ipswichpies]

OK, so let me get this right……

In my original post I said that I didn’t think that we would continue to play all four of Elliott, McCreery, Hill and Ginni in the same side and that Ginni was most at risk of being dropped because he is slower than the others, not great at tackling and has been the victim of a ridiculous high contact rule change that has made him less effective.

You took umbrage with my opinion and argued that that Hill and Elliott should be dropped ahead of Ginni. Fair enough, you’re entitled to your view.

And then this week the match committee has chosen to drop Ginni, which would seem to support my original arguments.

But rather than just leave it at that, you’re still arguing that you were right all along and that the coaches and selection committee have gotten it wrong.

You even went as far in a different post to suggest that there is a lack of selection integrity. Really? I think I’ll back the coaches to know what they’re doing and which players’ attributes are of most importance to the team.

It seems to me that you are as biased in Ginni’s favour and blind to his flaws as you (wrongly) claim I am against him.

Anyway, let’s move on. Go Pies!


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I will answer you later after the match and it will not be too gloat or cringe.

 

[ipswichpies]

I don't know how much it showed up in the replay, but Jack just didn't compete in the air at all. We were getting thrashed down the line and about half a dozen times Jack just had to go and try to bring the ball to ground - and he just stood back, stayed down hoping marks would be dropped and the ball would spill out the back to him. Elliott and Hill aren't doing that. Jack's got to develop his game - at his pace he has to be doing everything right.

I will answer you later also after the match.

 

[LuckyLee]

I will answer you later after the match and it will not be too gloat or cringe.

No need for you to respond again. We’ve done this to death. The match committee has made its decision.

Hopefully Ginni works on his flaws, plays great in the VFL (or as sub today) and returns to the Best 22 as a better, stronger, more impactful player. We all want him to succeed.


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[#23 Hill]

Ginnivan is not soft. A guy that turns up every game knowing the attention he's gonna cop is not soft. I don't think there is an issue with his willingness to tackle. He attempts a lot of tackles but they're getting broken. Technique may need work you're right + improved strength.

Spot on. A soft player doesn't hang sh!t on opposition players, knowing they're gonna give him extra "attention" for it.

 

[Stoods]

Ginnivan def the youngster out of the 4 small forwards.
McCreery is 22
Elliott is 30
Hill is 23

Mcreery only 22

 

[BEEG]

Hoping we lay the pressure in early and jump them.

Very hard for interstate teams to come back the following season after getting pumped at the big green monster on GF day.

Don't give them a sniff Collingwood.

 

[Vicky Park]

Mcreery only 22

 

[No SPIN]

Not something that would be simple to fix. You either have the strength to tackle and stop someone or you don't.

Can’t agree.
Look a Pickett at Melb - very hard to brush off now with his developed body than his early days as a whippet.

 

[No SPIN]

He’s soft. The Daicos boys aren’t strong either but they’ve always stuck tackles. It comes down to technique and willingness to put your body on the line at times.

I’m glad he has been dropped, he didn’t deserve the call up in the first place.

A player who’s soft doesn’t put his head over the ball and body at risk constantly - or risk getting his head ripped off chasing ground balls.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Can’t agree.
Look a Pickett at Melb - very hard to brush off now with his developed body than his early days as a whippet.

Look, I'm not going to argue, I am happy to concede. Life is too short to hold out longer than necessary against the deluge of adverse opinion which my comment attracted. I will accept the word of half the board that weights and gym can work wonders on a flimsy carcass that that never even looked capable of bringing down a teenage geek with a broken leg.

 

[Kirby]

Good player don’t get me wrong, but he is soft and I think this is why he misses his tackles. Strength would help, but I think it’s mainly technique and an unwillingness to put his body on the line.

He puts his head ‘over the ball’ when it’s a ruck contest, you’ll never see him do it when the ball is in dispute in general play.

Yes he does. I don’t agree at all.

You’ve also called McCreery soft so I’m not sure about your judgment on this issue. This isn’t the 70s anymore and with head protection players aren’t leading with their heads these days.

 

[BEEG]

Ginnivan isn't soft he is smart and plays a different way to blokes like Elliott and McCreery.

Anyone who has actually played footy knows what soft looks like.

He isn't in the form that he was last year, Pies actually have a few that are out of form or not playing to the levels they are last year.

It makes where we are on the ladder even more impressive.

 

[Kirby]

It also pays to remember that Ginni has lost his spot this week for the return of one of the greatest players of all time.

 

[gouki88]

Mate I do not think Ginnivan or Markov are in competition with each other for a spot in the team.

Neither do I

 

[gouki88]

It also pays to remember that Ginni has lost his spot this week for the return of one of the greatest players of all time.

And some dud named Embleberry

 

[sr36]

It also pays to remember that Ginni has lost his spot this week for the return of one of the greatest players of all time.

Yep. Pendles back. Adams will spend a lot of time forward. One of our talented small forwards had to make way. We've got depth. It's great news really.

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

Young players get dropped.
They usually learn.
Anyhoo it's game day with 6hrs of Collingwood on the Tele!
Keen to see how the big Texan straightens us up.
Pies by 25 and a clean injury slate please!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

And some dud named Embleberry

Didn’t he win a fancy medal one day? I wouldn’t call him a dud….

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Swans are a low possession / high tackling team.

They average 23 disposals less than us 5 tackles more (#2 in league).

They generate the 2nd most Inside 50’s behind only us. However, they are about 5% more efficient than us when they enter I50.

We have slight advantage in a few different areas such as CPs & Clearances. Hopefully we can dominate in the middle and limit their scoring opportunities.

 

[#23 Hill]

Not a fan of wet weather footy when we are the favourites. Dry conditions advantage the superior more highly skilled team. Wet conditions not so much. That said, fighting spirit is important in bash and crash wet weather footy and I think we're playing with more spirit than the Swines at the minute.

Pies by one point.

 

[LuckyLee]

We’ve named our fastest possible ball-moving side.

Looks like we’re gonna try to run the Swans off their feet on the big stage of the MCG.

Bring it on!


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[Sweeetleftfoot]

Not on Elliotts form this year am I wrong about him, if we are talking objectively about Elliott form if he were not a player who has played for a decade he would been dropped already. What is it you think I am missing about Jamie,s play because he has shown nothing for weeks now, I am on record as staying before the Anzac day he should be rested but as his form is getting worse I am no longer saying this I now think he should dropped.

If we are talking about selection integrity on his present form he should not be picked and I am quite happy to debate this point with anyone who wants a piece of me,come at me.

Season long Elliot has obviously got Ginni covered, but even if you look at last 3 weeks just comparing the two players

Elliot : 59 PA 10 tackles 1 goal 12 score involvements

Ginni: 35 PA 4 tackles 3 goals 13 score involvements.

It’s fairly obvious the coaching staff values pressure acts and tackling especially if players aren’t hitting the scoreboard. Not much to debate really Ginni just has to go back and add a few defensive elements to his game and he will be back.

 

[cityslick1]

I think Ginnivans biggest limitation is body strength. He attempts a lot of tackles but struggles to stick them. Hill is the same. Fix that and watch out.

A lot of 20 year olds are still developing the strength to tackle. That isn’t his obv weakness… it’s pace / athleticism. He is a slow twitch player, and at his position, this is virtually a non-starter. But he has been able to get away with it because of smarts and skills. The indirect result though, is that he struggles to catch opponents, and his tackles are also sluggish.. along with his developing strength.

I hope this can be developed somewhat, as he is so dangerous, but I fear jack has reached his athletic peak, and is showing signs of why recruiters felt he wasn’t suited to afl footy.

Whilst it’s true he struggles aerially, in defence of jack, if you watch the crows game last quarter again, he set up the Johnson goal beautifully, then had two quick pressure / possession acts to free up the ball that led to the Noble goal. This is what we miss when he doesn’t play

 

[Apex36]

A lot of 20 year olds are still developing the strength to tackle. That isn’t his obv weakness… it’s pace / athleticism. He is a slow twitch player, and at his position, this is virtually a non-starter. But he has been able to get away with it because of smarts and skills. The indirect result though, is that he struggles to catch opponents, and his tackles are also sluggish.. along with his developing strength.

I hope this can be developed somewhat, as he is so dangerous, but I fear jack has reached his peak, and is showing signs of why recruiters felt he wasn’t suited to afl footy

The idea that a 20 year old who isn’t even old enough to be fully physically developed has reached his peak already is ludicrous.