Game Day Preview - Round 8 - Collingwood v Sydney MCG Sunday 7 May 3.20pm

[whiskeytown]

Named the most experienced line up possible.

Controversial dropping ginnivan but hasn’t done much at VFL or AFL level all year

Hill on the whole has performed

The somewhat surprise inclusion of Harrison within the squad of 26 these past two weeks might well be a subtle sign that the coaching panel would like to see more out of the likes of Elliott and by extension Ginnivan.

While Harrison hasn't done a hell of a lot in his time at Collingwood as yet (owing in large part to ongoing hamstring injuries) if we recall he caught the eye of McRae in his first preseason and that budding bromance has seemingly continued. McRae clearly sees AFL traits within his game even if his form hasn't screamed pick me.

Whether that equates to him becoming another Chugg (remember that surprise selection) or hamstrings permitting something much more only time will tell.

I don’t see it with Harrison as much as others.. but by merit of skill

Harrison>Chugg

Chugg was a battler… but always a bad kick.

Hine shouldn’t have recruited a poor kick and he never should have been retained beyond his initial rookie year

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think Ginnivans biggest limitation is body strength. He attempts a lot of tackles but struggles to stick them. Hill is the same. Fix that and watch out.

Not something that would be simple to fix. You either have the strength to tackle and stop someone or you don't.

 

[swoop42]

Named the most experienced line up possible.

Controversial dropping ginnivan but hasn’t done much at VFL or AFL level all year

Hill on the whole has performed


I don’t see it with Harrison as much as others.. but by merit of skill

Harrison>Chugg

Chugg was a battler… but always a bad kick.

Hine shouldn’t have recruited a poor kick and he never should have been retained beyond his initial rookie year

In highlighting Chugg and Harrison it wasn't meant as a comparison between both in terms of talent it was merely a reminder that McRae has shown a willingness to throw up a selection curve ball from time to time (Begg chosen ahead of Cox, demoting Noble for 1 week, Chugg) and in placing a premium on both speed and tackling pressure I don't think it'll be a coincidence if he's prepared to take a punt on another young player fleet of foot and quite physically developed already through the core.

I do wonder if McRae has a philosophy that if your bottom six are going to have flaws then pace shouldn't be one of them.

Trading for Hill, drafting of Allan, recruitment and inclusion of Markov ahead of more fancied others, keeping faith with WHE, potential debut of Harrison in coming weeks, all points towards this need for speed.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Not something that would be simple to fix. You either have the strength to tackle and stop someone or you don't.

A young athlete improving strength is a very simple fix. Lifting weights ain't rocket science.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Not something that would be simple to fix. You either have the strength to tackle and stop someone or you don't.

Weights in the gym ?

 

[#23 Hill]

Weights in the gym ?

Jiu Jitsu?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Jiu Jitsu?

Sure. Lots of different ways to increase body strength.

 

[KinderSmock]

He looked like he was going to be a really solid defender in year 1. It’s almost as if he’s somehow regressed after all these years in the system being thrown around the ground. Still not sure why Buckley felt the need to switch him forward when it’s a position he was poor in, even in u18’s.

Given so much of his draft profile was around the fact he'd shut down a King brother in a match, it did seem strange. Now they're playing him on the wing, a place he doesn't seem to work well in at all. I think even he would have to know his career is on the rocks at the moment.

 

[Quicky]

Not something that would be simple to fix. You either have the strength to tackle and stop someone or you don't.

I think with strength training most athletes would improve. Think of a guy like Tipungwuti who is small in stature but very strong.

 

[#23 Hill]

I think with strength training most athletes would improve. Think of a guy like Tipungwuti who is small in stature but very strong.

Libba senior.

 

[magpies42]

I think Ginnivans biggest limitation is body strength. He attempts a lot of tackles but struggles to stick them. Hill is the same. Fix that and watch out.

He’s soft. The Daicos boys aren’t strong either but they’ve always stuck tackles. It comes down to technique and willingness to put your body on the line at times.

I’m glad he has been dropped, he didn’t deserve the call up in the first place.

 

[LuckyLee]

Okay 1st chance I have had at answering your post and I am going too, firstly my post,s have not attacked you a personal level, I( have had debates on here with other people but I never resort to personal level and I am not going to start with you.

Your speaking about Ginnivans first 17 games in comparison to his last 9, does this take into account his not playing for 6 mths end of season and missing the 1st 3 games of this season if so your are a harsh judge. As you predicted he may to make way for someone and he has but in reality either of Hill or Elliott should been dropped before him.

As others have pointed out Hill has dropped off the last few weeks but Elliott has not been good all season and if anything is becoming more of a liability week on week and my assertion that you are cheering for Ginnivans dropping is because the other 3 players you named you have defended but no defense of Jack only reasons for his demise in your view.

As I stated this is the 1st chance I have had to reply but I will be doing so sooner now,if you take my critisism personally that is up to you I have problems with your posts not you as a poster.

Take this reply anyway you like as stated I have my computer back I can reply again,Have a nice day.

OK, so let me get this right……

In my original post I said that I didn’t think that we would continue to play all four of Elliott, McCreery, Hill and Ginni in the same side and that Ginni was most at risk of being dropped because he is slower than the others, not great at tackling and has been the victim of a ridiculous high contact rule change that has made him less effective.

You took umbrage with my opinion and argued that that Hill and Elliott should be dropped ahead of Ginni. Fair enough, you’re entitled to your view.

And then this week the match committee has chosen to drop Ginni, which would seem to support my original arguments.

But rather than just leave it at that, you’re still arguing that you were right all along and that the coaches and selection committee have gotten it wrong.

You even went as far in a different post to suggest that there is a lack of selection integrity. Really? I think I’ll back the coaches to know what they’re doing and which players’ attributes are of most importance to the team.

It seems to me that you are as biased in Ginni’s favour and blind to his flaws as you (wrongly) claim I am against him.

Anyway, let’s move on. Go Pies!


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[Jen2310]

Anyway, let’s move on. Go Pies!


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Great idea everyone. Lets focus on the game tomorrow.

 

[Kirby]

He’s soft. The Daicos boys aren’t strong either but they’ve always stuck tackles. It comes down to technique and willingness to put your body on the line at times.

I’m glad he has been dropped, he didn’t deserve the call up in the first place.

He’s not soft. He was one our better in and under players. He always puts his head over it.

You seem to be fond of calling players soft I’ve noticed.

 

[magpies42]

He’s not soft. He was on our better in and under players. He always puts his head over it.

You seem to be fond of calling players soft I’ve noticed.

Good player don’t get me wrong, but he is soft and I think this is why he misses his tackles. Strength would help, but I think it’s mainly technique and an unwillingness to put his body on the line.

He puts his head ‘over the ball’ when it’s a ruck contest, you’ll never see him do it when the ball is in dispute in general play.

 

[LuckyLee]

He’s not soft. He was on our better in and under players. He always puts his head over it.

You seem to be fond of calling players soft I’ve noticed.

I think the baggy shorts and long sleeves wrongly make Ginni look a bit small and weedy. Like a kid playing in his older brother’s gear. I personally think it would be in his best interests to change that look to dispel the unhelpful perception.


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[#23 Hill]

I think the baggy shorts and long sleeves make Ginni look a bit small and weedy. Like a kid playing in his older brother’s gear. I personally think it would be in his best interests to change that look to dispel the unhelpful perception.


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Maybe a couple of tough stickers too. Jamie Elliott could hook him up.

 

[jmac70]

He’s soft. The Daicos boys aren’t strong either but they’ve always stuck tackles. It comes down to technique and willingness to put your body on the line at times.

I’m glad he has been dropped, he didn’t deserve the call up in the first place.

Never ceases to amaze how quickly some turn on players.

 

[sr36]

Not on Elliotts form this year am I wrong about him, if we are talking objectively about Elliott form if he were not a player who has played for a decade he would been dropped already. What is it you think I am missing about Jamie,s play because he has shown nothing for weeks now, I am on record as staying before the Anzac day he should be rested but as his form is getting worse I am no longer saying this I now think he should dropped.

If we are talking about selection integrity on his present form he should not be picked and I am quite happy to debate this point with anyone who wants a piece of me,come at me.

I don't know how much it showed up in the replay, but Jack just didn't compete in the air at all. We were getting thrashed down the line and about half a dozen times Jack just had to go and try to bring the ball to ground - and he just stood back, stayed down hoping marks would be dropped and the ball would spill out the back to him. Elliott and Hill aren't doing that. Jack's got to develop his game - at his pace he has to be doing everything right.

 

[magpies42]

Never ceases to amaze how quickly some turn on players.

I’ve not turned on him. I rate him, doesn’t mean he’s perfect. I’ve been consistent on this.

 

[Quicky]

He’s soft. The Daicos boys aren’t strong either but they’ve always stuck tackles. It comes down to technique and willingness to put your body on the line at times.

I’m glad he has been dropped, he didn’t deserve the call up in the first place.

Ginnivan is not soft. A guy that turns up every game knowing the attention he's gonna cop is not soft. I don't think there is an issue with his willingness to tackle. He attempts a lot of tackles but they're getting broken. Technique may need work you're right + improved strength.

 

[jmac70]

I’ve not turned on him. I rate him, doesn’t mean he’s perfect. I’ve been consistent on this.

Calling a player soft is very negative. Reasonable to assume you have turned on him.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Never ceases to amaze how quickly some turn on players.

I’m amazed that you’re amazed.

Re Ginni…. We all know he’s a natural footballer but not blessed with natural pace. He’ll never have super pace but his football brain will compensate for that.

But there’s also impatience with other aspects of his game, eg tackling. He’s still only 20 years old and in his third year……and needs time in the gym over the next few summers to develop a bit of body strength.

 

[Stoods]

Game day!! Come on pies!!!!

 

[Apex36]

He’s not soft. He was on our better in and under players. He always puts his head over it.

You seem to be fond of calling players soft I’ve noticed.

You tend to find the blokes who label others soft are weak as piss themselves.

Nobody who steps out on an AFL field is soft.