Priest Stabbed Live Stream in Sydney

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ZEV said:
"He suffered stab wounds to his shoulder and hands while trying to get the 16-year-old alleged attacker off of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel."
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Did he need to go to hospital?

I'm not trying to deliberately play the incident down, I'm baulking a bit at a potential life sentence for a 16yo and the suggestion he needs solitary for the rest of his life as another poster has suggested.

Investigators will need to take a hard look at where he was radicalised or where he might have been inspired with the idea that the Bishop should die.
 
ZEV said:
Bishop and priest both hospitalised with stabbing injuries.
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Oh okay, I heard early reports that all involved with the offender were treated at the scene for minor injuries and didn't bother following it up.
 

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Getting to the bottom of where the idea for stabbing a priest, whose religion he doesn’t belong to, whose church he doesn’t attend, in a suburb far from his home, came from, is a priority. It’s quite possible he was sent, specially chosen for his youth and suggestibility, to do the work of a group or even another individual. Otherwise how would he even know anything about a fairly obscure bishop?
 
Kurve said:
Oh okay, I heard early reports that all involved with the offender were treated at the scene for minor injuries and didn't bother following it up.
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On Thursday morning

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'The bishop sent the message from Liverpool Hospital, where he is yet to be discharged.
"I am doing fine, I am recovering very quickly," he said.'
 
Kurve said:
Did he need to go to hospital?

I'm not trying to deliberately play the incident down, I'm baulking a bit at a potential life sentence for a 16yo and the suggestion he needs solitary for the rest of his life as another poster has suggested.

Investigators will need to take a hard look at where he was radicalised or where he might have been inspired with the idea that the Bishop should die.
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I agree, it's a very difficult decision to make but the sentence needs to be an overwhelming deterrent. Not solitary but 10 years minimum.
 
Australia might need to lobby the US to change its laws to either force X to comply, or try and get the US Government to shut down twitter.

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In a tweet early Saturday local time, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter in April 2022, claimed “The Australian censorship commissar is demanding global content bans”.

Faced with fines it failed to comply with the order, X’s global government affair’s team claimed posts it had been ordered to remove did not violate its rules on violent speech.

In a statement, which was shared by Musk, the social media giant said “recent attacks in Australia are a horrific assault on free society” but vowed to fight the removal notice.

“The Australian eSafety Commissioner ordered X to remove certain posts in Australia that publicly commented on the recent attack against a Christian Bishop,” X said.

“X believes that eSafety’s order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge.

“X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.”
...
“While X respects the right of a country to enforce its laws within its jurisdiction, the Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content users can see globally. “We will robustly challenge this unlawful and dangerous approach in court.

“Global take-down orders go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.”
...'
 
BFew said:
Australia might need to lobby the US to change its laws to either force X to comply, or try and get the US Government to shut down twitter.

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In a tweet early Saturday local time, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter in April 2022, claimed “The Australian censorship commissar is demanding global content bans”.

Faced with fines it failed to comply with the order, X’s global government affair’s team claimed posts it had been ordered to remove did not violate its rules on violent speech.

In a statement, which was shared by Musk, the social media giant said “recent attacks in Australia are a horrific assault on free society” but vowed to fight the removal notice.

“The Australian eSafety Commissioner ordered X to remove certain posts in Australia that publicly commented on the recent attack against a Christian Bishop,” X said.

“X believes that eSafety’s order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge.

“X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.”
...
“While X respects the right of a country to enforce its laws within its jurisdiction, the Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content users can see globally. “We will robustly challenge this unlawful and dangerous approach in court.

“Global take-down orders go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.”
...'
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Eff that, just block Twitter in Australia, easiest thing in the world. The majority of Australians wouldn't notice it's gone, other than the Twittersphere bubble inevitably dominating the media for a week whinging about it.
 
BFew said:
Australia might need to lobby the US to change its laws to either force X to comply, or try and get the US Government to shut down twitter.

...
In a tweet early Saturday local time, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter in April 2022, claimed “The Australian censorship commissar is demanding global content bans”.

Faced with fines it failed to comply with the order, X’s global government affair’s team claimed posts it had been ordered to remove did not violate its rules on violent speech.

In a statement, which was shared by Musk, the social media giant said “recent attacks in Australia are a horrific assault on free society” but vowed to fight the removal notice.

“The Australian eSafety Commissioner ordered X to remove certain posts in Australia that publicly commented on the recent attack against a Christian Bishop,” X said.

“X believes that eSafety’s order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge.

“X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.”
...
“While X respects the right of a country to enforce its laws within its jurisdiction, the Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content users can see globally. “We will robustly challenge this unlawful and dangerous approach in court.

“Global take-down orders go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.”
...'
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There are various ways the video might be removed, or engagements against it, through the Report function with these options.

Violent & hateful entities
Violent extremism and terrorism, hate groups & networks

Violent Speech
Violent Threats, Wish of Harm, Glorification of Violence, Incitement of Violence, Coded Incitement of Violence

Abuse & Harassment
Insults, Unwanted Sexual Content & Graphic Objectification, Unwanted NSFW & Graphic Content, Violent Event Denial, Targeted Harassment and Inciting Harassment
 
BFew said:
Australia might need to lobby the US to change its laws to either force X to comply, or try and get the US Government to shut down twitter.

...
In a tweet early Saturday local time, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter in April 2022, claimed “The Australian censorship commissar is demanding global content bans”.

Faced with fines it failed to comply with the order, X’s global government affair’s team claimed posts it had been ordered to remove did not violate its rules on violent speech.

In a statement, which was shared by Musk, the social media giant said “recent attacks in Australia are a horrific assault on free society” but vowed to fight the removal notice.

“The Australian eSafety Commissioner ordered X to remove certain posts in Australia that publicly commented on the recent attack against a Christian Bishop,” X said.

“X believes that eSafety’s order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge.

“X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.”
...
“While X respects the right of a country to enforce its laws within its jurisdiction, the Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content users can see globally. “We will robustly challenge this unlawful and dangerous approach in court.

“Global take-down orders go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.”
...'
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Elon free speech for me but not thee
 

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Kurve said:
It's got a lot harder to cut through the swamp of bad information since Musk took over.
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Agree, but at least it's an alternative. I have little trust in Murdoch, Meta and TikTok (i.e. Chinese Communist Party) etc.
 
jason_recliner said:
Eff that, just block Twitter in Australia, easiest thing in the world. The majority of Australians wouldn't notice it's gone, other than the Twittersphere bubble inevitably dominating the media for a week whinging about it.
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Its not twitter itself that's the problem, its social media as a whole. Block twitter in Australian and next month there's suddenly a new app called twatter, which acts a lot like twitter. By pushing Twitter to remove videos of particular items, this then sets a precedent which can be argued legally against others if twitter complies.
 
BFew said:
Australia might need to lobby the US to change its laws to either force X to comply, or try and get the US Government to shut down twitter.

...
In a tweet early Saturday local time, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter in April 2022, claimed “The Australian censorship commissar is demanding global content bans”.

Faced with fines it failed to comply with the order, X’s global government affair’s team claimed posts it had been ordered to remove did not violate its rules on violent speech.

In a statement, which was shared by Musk, the social media giant said “recent attacks in Australia are a horrific assault on free society” but vowed to fight the removal notice.

“The Australian eSafety Commissioner ordered X to remove certain posts in Australia that publicly commented on the recent attack against a Christian Bishop,” X said.

“X believes that eSafety’s order was not within the scope of Australian law and we complied with the directive pending a legal challenge.

“X has now received a demand from the eSafety Commissioner that X globally withhold these posts or face a daily fine of $785,000.”
...
“While X respects the right of a country to enforce its laws within its jurisdiction, the Commissioner does not have the authority to dictate what content users can see globally. “We will robustly challenge this unlawful and dangerous approach in court.

“Global take-down orders go against the very principles of a free and open internet and threaten free speech everywhere.”
...'
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While I cannot stand Elon Musk, it is correct that Australia cannot enforce its orders in other jurisdictions. If they are attempting to, that is absolutely wild overreach.
 
Krusty Crab said:
Its not twitter itself that's the problem, its social media as a whole. Block twitter in Australian and next month there's suddenly a new app called twatter, which acts a lot like twitter. By pushing Twitter to remove videos of particular items, this then sets a precedent which can be argued legally against others if twitter complies.
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Yes but Musk didn't pay billions for Twatter. If he is going to show no respect or empathy for victims and survivors, just cancel his stupid echo chamber. I don't agree that all SM is inherently negative and should be banned/further regulated.
 
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owen87 said:
Guarantee if it said something nasty about Elon he'd be keen to see it removed.
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Even moreso if it was a video of a family member of his getting violently stabbed in the face and head by a stranger without any provocation, because of what their their relative (Elon) had said or done, that the stabber took offence too.
 
Kurve said:
Three have already been arrested.

www.abc.net.au

NSW Police release new images in search for church rioters accused of 'violence and aggression'

NSW Police say these men can help with their investigation into the disturbance outside the south-west Sydney church after Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel was stabbed while giving a sermon.
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'Person A — has a large tattoo of Jesus Christ on his stomach'

This pale skinning no-shirted bloke pictured jumping on and damaging multiple vehicles, was reportedly described as "caucasian".

Wouldn't surprise me if his tattoo was a temporary one, he's not of any religion, and that he blew in just to stir up trouble.
 
BFew said:
'Person A — has a large tattoo of Jesus Christ on his stomach'

This pale skinning no-shirted bloke pictured jumping on and damaging multiple vehicles, was reportedly described as "caucasian".

Wouldn't surprise me if his tattoo was a temporary one, he's not of any religion, and that he blew in just to stir up trouble.
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I saw images of someone marching around holding up a massive gold cross as if it was a holy war, reminiscent of the crusades
 
Kurve said:
I saw images of someone marching around with a massive gold cross as if it was a holy war reminiscent of the crusades
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Maybe the bloke described below.
Probably another trouble maker that blew in.

EDIT:He's the 6th man (Person F) in my next post.
EDIT 2: He's now been identified and assisting Police with their inquiries (Source: NSW Police)

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After scouring 600 hours of Wakeley riot footage, police set sights on tattooed man

Police have released images of 12 men they believe can help with their investigation into the riot that erupted after a bishop was stabbed in an alleged terrorist attack.
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'Also among the people police are hoping to identify is a man who was seen wearing a T-shirt, a ring and a watch on his left hand and was carrying a large cross.'
 
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Twelve wanted that have images released as of this morning.

Latest News - NSW Police Public Site

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'Appeal for information following Wakeley riot - Strike Force Dribs​

Monday, 22 April 2024 04:55:39 AM

*** PLEASE NOTE: Images of the men are available via hightail – https://spaces.hightail.com/receive/ydCIsKciY0

Strike Force investigators have released images of twelve men they believe can assist with the ongoing investigation into the public order incident at Wakeley last week.

Strike Force Dribs was established to investigate the violent incidents outside a Wakeley church on Monday 15 April 2024, following the alleged attack of a 53-year-old religious leader.

To date, three men have been charged over their alleged involvement in the incident. All three men remain before the courts.

Strike Force Dribs Commander, Superintendent Andrew Evans said while there were a large number of people involved in the violent incident, these particular individuals are being targeted by detectives due to the violent and aggressive nature of their actions.

“We are doing everything we can to identify these men and are now appealing for public assistance.

“Someone in the community knows who they are,” Superintendent Evans said.

As investigations continue, detectives have now released images of twelve men who may be able to assist with their inquiries.

The first man (Person A) depicted is described as being of Caucasian appearance, medium build, with a tattoo of Jesus Christ on his stomach and a full tattoo sleave on his left arm.
He is shown wearing black jeans that cut off at the ankle, black belt, dark coloured shoes and a black shirt wrapped around his face.

The second man (Person B) depicted is described as being of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance, with receding dark brown hair and a beard.
He is shown wearing a black jumper, grey pants, black shoes and carrying a grey shoulder bag.

The third man (Person C) depicted is described as being of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance, with short black hair and beard.
He is shown wearing a grey V neck shirt, dark jeans and white shoes.

The fourth man (Person D) depicted is described as being of medium build.
He is shown wearing a grey hooded jumper, grey shorts, black socks and white shoes.

The fifth man (Person E) depicted is described as being of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance, muscular build, tan complexion, with a dark coloured beard.
He is shown wearing a Nike hat, black singlet, grey cargo pants and white shoes.

The sixth man (Person F) depicted is shown wearing a t-shirt, a ring and a watch on his left hand and carrying a cross.

The seventh man (Person G) depicted is described as being of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance.
He is shown wearing a black jumper with yellow writing, a white hat and white shoes.

The eighth man (Person H) depicted is shown wearing a t-shirt and carrying a fire extinguisher.

The ninth man (Person I) depicted is described as having short dark hair and a beard.
He is shown wearing a hooded jumper, dark pants and a black shoulder bag.

The tenth man (Person J) depicted is described as being of large appearance, bald with a goatee.
He is shown wearing a dark jumper with writing around the collar.

The eleventh man (Person K) depicted is described as having his hair in braids and having a dark beard.
He is shown wearing a black hooded jumper, tracksuit pants and socks with slides.

The twelfth man (Person L) depicted is shown wearing a dark singlet, dark shoes and light-coloured shorts.

As investigations under Strike Force Dribs continue, anyone who can identify the men depicted or provide information that may assist is urged to contact Fairfield Police Station or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Anyone with information about this incident is urged to contact Crime Stoppers: 1800 333 000 or https://nsw.crimestoppers.com.au. Information is treated in strict confidence. The public is reminded not to report information via NSW Police social media pages.'
 

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