Primus gone.

[Waspy79]

They're developing markets, surely it's not a hard concept for anyone to grasp. Both clubs are long term marketing strategies from the AFL, if all Port have to hang their hat on is that they are drawing more people than two white elephant clubs in markets where most people predominently dont care about football then I would be deeply concerned.

37,000 members despite 4 soon to be 5 seasons of poor on-field performances not enough for you? Surely it's not a hard concept for anyone to see the potential in those numbers to grow when we get on-field right.

 

[Eric Blair]

but what is the split? this 70/30 split appears to be something accepted but never backup by any facts?

is this 70/30 split of financial paid up members? (37k to 47k doesn't add up)

I got the 70/30 split from Geoffa32 in one of his earlier comments in this thread. I would have thought the 70/30 thing would be from surveys done in the past and would refer more to supporters/fans than paid up members

 

[Eric Blair]

The Crows growth has been capped for years by the capacity limit of AAMI stadium.

I see it more from the point of view that the Crows have conceded no ground to Port despite people like Rucci were claiming back in 2002 that Port would eventually surpass the Crows off the field. Considering that Port won a premiership in 2004 and made a grand final in 2007 I think the club has done well to maintain our off field dominance over our neighbour.

That's a fair enough comment relapse.

I look at it the other way, that whatever gains Port made from winning the premiership in 04 and making the grand final in 07 would have been more than erased as a result of 119 and our awful on and off field performances since 07

 

[Cap]

I got the 70/30 split from Geoffa32 in one of his earlier comments in this thread. I would have thought the 70/30 thing would be from surveys done in the past and would refer more to supporters/fans than paid up members

ahh, fair enough.

I hear a lot about the 70/30 split but have never actually seen anything concrete. I can remember reading a newspaper article where it reckoned that the Crows had 700k supporters so by default Port had 300k

but those figures all seem vastly inflated.

 

[Eric Blair]

ahh, fair enough.

I hear a lot about the 70/30 split but have never actually seen anything concrete. I can remember reading a newspaper article where it reckoned that the Crows had 700k supporters so by default Port had 300k

but those figures all seem vastly inflated.

I vaguely recall a survey done a few years ago on this. I think Sydney were the best supported team, followed by Collingwood etc etc. I agree that the numbers seem vastly inflated.

The challenge for Port is that whatever the true numbers are, we have to convert the some time supporter into a paying active member that goes to a decent number of games. I think we made a start on that yesterday, but there's alot more work to be done. It is essential to get our licence free of the SANFL (I think the Crows would be better off with their own licence too), and both teams need their own reserve squad too. We need to get our off field stuff in order before we can even think about on field performance.

I also think Port should try to break out of the SA straight-jacket, i.e more games in Darwin, a game for premiership points in New Zealand. The exhibition game in the UK is a good start, but it cant be a one off. If the club's strucutre is right, if the support is there, if ther is hope for the future, then the money will come.

 

[Cap]

I vaguely recall a survey done a few years ago on this. I think Sydney were the best supported team, followed by Collingwood etc etc. I agree that the numbers seem vastly inflated.

The challenge for Port is that whatever the true numbers are, we have to convert the some time supporter into a paying active member that goes to a decent number of games. I think we made a start on that yesterday, but there's alot more work to be done. It is essential to get our licence free of the SANFL (I think the Crows would be better off with their own licence too), and both teams need their own reserve squad too. We need to get our off field stuff in order before we can even think about on field performance.

I also think Port should try to break out of the SA straight-jacket, i.e more games in Darwin, a game for premiership points in New Zealand. The exhibition game in the UK is a good start, but it cant be a one off. If the club's strucutre is right, if the support is there, if ther is hope for the future, then the money will come.

the SANFL licence this is going to be an interesting one to play out- Rucci reckons 2015 with a Crows ressie squad.

something tells me he is writing his hopes rather than anything concrete.

the AO deal will also be interesting, if Rucci is right both clubs should be doing well on smaller crowds so playing games outside of the state might not be required?

 

[relapse]

37,000 members despite 4 soon to be 5 seasons of poor on-field performances not enough for you? Surely it's not a hard concept for anyone to see the potential in those numbers to grow when we get on-field right.

Dont forget that approximately 5,000 of those members are Magpie members.

 

[relapse]

I vaguely recall a survey done a few years ago on this. I think Sydney were the best supported team, followed by Collingwood etc etc. I agree that the numbers seem vastly inflated.

The challenge for Port is that whatever the true numbers are, we have to convert the some time supporter into a paying active member that goes to a decent number of games. I think we made a start on that yesterday, but there's alot more work to be done. It is essential to get our licence free of the SANFL (I think the Crows would be better off with their own licence too), and both teams need their own reserve squad too. We need to get our off field stuff in order before we can even think about on field performance.

I also think Port should try to break out of the SA straight-jacket, i.e more games in Darwin, a game for premiership points in New Zealand. The exhibition game in the UK is a good start, but it cant be a one off. If the club's strucutre is right, if the support is there, if ther is hope for the future, then the money will come.

I agree with this, once Port are free from the sub-license constraints they can look to sell a game or two to another market. If Port can sell 2 games a year that would normally draw poorly surely the club would look at it in the short term. I know there will be some backlash from the supporters as they wont get to see 11 games a year, but they need to also understand how much this would assist the club financially.

The New Zealand option would be a great one for the club to explore. I believe that Port are currently tied having to play 11 home games due to their sub-license agreement with the SANFL so this would be one of the first things that the club could look at once they have control of the license.

 

[King Elvis]

Totally agree, the problem here is the crow-centric media are intimidated by Port's history and since our entry into the AFL have attacked the history rather than using it as a positive.

Nobody is intimidated by Port, not for a long time.

I agree with you - that Crows supporters and the Crow-centric media have translated their hate for Port from the SANFL to the AFL, and will always hate us for our AFL presence now.

And we'll always "hate" the non-Port 50 years from now, whether that is just Adelaide or more than them...

You wish you were still hated - would be better than being irrelevant.

 

[Hooligan87]

the SANFL licence this is going to be an interesting one to play out- Rucci reckons 2015 with a Crows ressie squad.

something tells me he is writing his hopes rather than anything concrete.

the AO deal will also be interesting, if Rucci is right both clubs should be doing well on smaller crowds so playing games outside of the state might not be required?

Rucci also said that Port would have an AFL side, A SANFL reserves side and the Magpies side. somehow i think he's just making shit up to fill coloumn inches.

 

[IanW]

the SANFL licence this is going to be an interesting one to play out

If the AFL wants to play hardball, it's pretty simple.

No additional distributions of any sort to any AFL club owned by other than it's members.

The SANFL are welcome to own two licences, but they'll need to pay for them with season tickets, gate takings, sponsorship and the basic AFL distribution.

Yes, this will also require some changes at Freo and WCE, and divesting the Suns and GWS.

 

[mysainters]

Terry thrown his hat in the ring.

AFL ‏@AFL
Terry Wallace has confirmed his interest in becoming senior coach of Port Adelaide

 

[BigDavo]

Adios Primus, hello Hocking

 

[SpeciousArgument]

I vaguely recall a survey done a few years ago on this. I think Sydney were the best supported team, followed by Collingwood etc etc. I agree that the numbers seem vastly inflated.

The challenge for Port is that whatever the true numbers are, we have to convert the some time supporter into a paying active member that goes to a decent number of games. I think we made a start on that yesterday, but there's alot more work to be done. It is essential to get our licence free of the SANFL (I think the Crows would be better off with their own licence too), and both teams need their own reserve squad too. We need to get our off field stuff in order before we can even think about on field performance.

I also think Port should try to break out of the SA straight-jacket, i.e more games in Darwin, a game for premiership points in New Zealand. The exhibition game in the UK is a good start, but it cant be a one off. If the club's strucutre is right, if the support is there, if ther is hope for the future, then the money will come.

I think an AFL match in NZ would draw a crowd of zero. theres a reason the afl havent explored it as a site for an exhibition match.

 

[stewie griffen]

I think an AFL match in NZ would draw a crowd of zero. theres a reason the afl havent explored it as a site for an exhibition match.

There would be at least 1 person there....

Aren't they looking at playing in NZ as early as next year with St Kilda on Anzac day?

There has also been an exhibition game here in the past, a NAB Cup game iirc? 2001, Bris v Adelaide according to wiki

 

[Brassy88]

I can see Ken Hinkley given the job. It will be someone from left field. Comes from a good program at Geelong and helping Gold Coast develop their culture down there. But why would anyone want to come to coach a amateur club like them. Really? They really are pathetic.