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Cats impressive today. Aspley kept coming but cats always looked like they had it in hand.
Nice to see a couple of the bottom sides pick up their first win the past couple of weeks.
What’s happened to grange 2 smash ups last 2 weeks? Any truth that a few boys didn’t quite appreciate a Beama spray last week? It looked an even match up pre game obviously palmy way too good
Nice to see a couple of the bottom sides pick up their first win the past couple of weeks.
What’s happened to grange 2 smash ups last 2 weeks? Any truth that a few boys didn’t quite appreciate a Beama spray last week? It looked an even match up pre game obviously palmy way too good
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*Of the 5 Brisbane seniors teams, (not counting Redlands) 4 are in the bottom 5 on the ladder. Only Aspley in top 5, and they are 4th..
*Reserves dosent tell much of a different story. 3 on the bottom are all Brisbane clubs. Grange 5th, and Aspley again the standout.
*Colts, and Brisbane clubs make up 3 of the bottom 4. Only Grange and Sherwood in the top 5.
Dont know what all that means? Just a coincidence of statistics? (had to happen at some point) Or something deeper?
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*Reserves dosent tell much of a different story. 3 on the bottom are all Brisbane clubs. Grange 5th, and Aspley again the standout.
*Colts, and Brisbane clubs make up 3 of the bottom 4. Only Grange and Sherwood in the top 5.
Dont know what all that means? Just a coincidence of statistics? (had to happen at some point) Or something deeper?
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Not sure maroochydore list is any better than grange, or even morningside if truth is known. Play with good spirit though and quite a few local guys. Are they finals material? Not sure. But they compete most weeks which is all u can ask for.
I think ex AFL listed players and interstate signings find an apartment by the beach and/or pokies fuelled match payments a bit more attractive than what suburban Brisbane clubs can offer.
Look at the Sherwood - Lab game on Saturday. A team made up of mostly kids bought up through the local juniors and colts was never going to compete with the likes of Henderson, Ellis-Yoleman and seasoned Victorian imports, no matter how good the coach is. It was men vs boys. It's becoming a comp of the haves and the have nots. Is that what we want?
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Eagles at Grange
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Plenty running round not on the coasts.
Eagles at Grange
Proud at Beenleigh
Plenty running round not on the coasts.
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Ive eventually come to the conclusion that its more important to have good, competent players at your bottom end of a team, than it is to have a few stars at the top. The stars cant be everywhere, and the competence of your bottom end talent has to be relied on.
Also, ive noticed occasional teams of 'nobodies' often 'overachieve'. Look at current Hawthorn (you noted Maroochydore) this year. Coaching, and the effort put in by players means so much, when there isnt a lot of real difference in talent, from bottom to top in a team.
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I don't think there is that much to it.
Couple of things to note:
Aspley and Redland have a concentration of Brisbane talent at their clubs that would normally be at other QAFL clubs based on natural pathways and where they played junior footy, but AFLQ dropped the ball on their point allocations when they dropped out of NEAFL/VFL.
Aspley and Redland both have plenty of interstate recruits on low point values for the same reason.
Aspley and Redland have no players topping up the Lions and have almost no players in academy programs. Morningside, Sherwood, Mt Gravatt and Grange all have heaps of talented kids coming and going (and frankly having their development stunted) due to academy commitments and playing VFL for lions. For example, Sherwood have 4 players topping up Lions VFL, and 3 named in the Allies squad and had 8 level 3 academy players.
In direct comparison to Mt Gravatt losing players of the calibre of O'Sullivan, Grange with Abberley, Sherwood with W.Fletcher (as examples) the Gold Coast clubs have almost the direct opposite, they have players coming the other way from Southport, and to add insult to that, they play as 1 pointers.
Example: on the weekend alone, Surfers had 3 x VFL players in their side, Labrador had 4, and Broadbeach had 3. So 10 x VFL standard players spread across 3 x GC clubs all playing as 1 pointers and probably on pretty minimal match payments from a value perspective. Meanwhile, Sherwood had 2 of their best 5, Morningside had 2 and Grange had 1 playing up in the VFL for the Lions. So Brisbane clubs are losing their top enders 'up' to the VFL, while GC clubs are gaining 2 or 3 each week 'down' from the VFL for virtually nothing. Thats an extraordinary advantage....
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Great post.
Still, it isnt the top 3-5 that really concern me. Its the lower end neucleus that make up a team, indeed a club. Ive said before, a team needs to average up its bottom players, not concentrate on 3 or 4 top players. The Brisbane clubs lacking in depth. They are sruggling in reserves and arguably colts. The Colts in the Brisbane clubs are being called up to reserves to cover the for the lack of depth, that we didnt see so much in earlier seasons.
You make some great points as to where the top end talent is ending up etc, but the depth of Brisbane clubs seems to be lacking?
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Depth being tested for sure in QAFL Brisbane clubs
Answer? Gold Coast doesn't have a single Division 1 club and Sunny Coast has 1.
On the Gold Coast, if you don't want to play QAFL reserves - your next option is QFA Div 2 South. Lets be honest, Division 2 is shit football.
In Brisbane, all those Div 1 senior sides are littered with 3-5 guys that could play QAFL Seniors and stacks of blokes who would be high quality QAFL Reserves players.
Distribute all the players from Mayne, Springwood, Coorparoo, Beenleigh, UQ, Moreton Bay and Wynnum into the ranks of the QAFL clubs in Brisbane and their playing lists would look very different and have way more depth.
Look at the teams on the weekend:
UQ played Springwood. Both teams littered with former Sherwood and Mt Gravatt players respectively
Coorparoo played Mayne. Plenty of Morningside and Grange/Aspley talent on display
Beenleigh vs Moreton Bay - some serious talent getting around, many of them having played at Sandgate (QAFL), Aspley, Mt Gravatt, Sherwood
Wynnum vs Caloundra - Wynnum stacked with ex Morningside guys
Division 1 having no presence on the Gold Coast keeps the Gold Coast QAFL Ressies way stronger as there is no competition for their talent.
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Bang on about the lack of Div 1 presence on the GC affecting that. Would’ve thought either Bond Uni or Burleigh would’ve jumped at the chance last year to come back up to Div 1. Understand the last time they both went into Div 1 they copped some floggings but the main two culprits for that (Maroochydore & Noosa) both being in the QAFL would make things easier for that transition back into Div 1.
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Burleigh are a seriously good junior club, so the jump for them would be relatively simple I would think.
They are in the best handful of Div 1 teams in all youth age groups
They are in the best handful of Div 1 teams in all youth age groups
They were a bit like Bond - not quite as poor - but did struggle and numbers were a drama when the 3 road trips to north coast were offered up. No idea if anyone from Wynnum could answer this but I'm sure they are better for the jump up to div 1. At the moment only 1 SC club in Div 1 meaning the driving is much reduced as are the whippings that came from Roos/Noosa. Its a good comp div 1, very competitive and a reasonable standard. I think Bond were mad not to go back in.
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What’s the deal with tribunal these days ? Can clubs refer incidents to the league ??
If that’s the case then the good old days of the unwritten rule of not dobbing are gone .
I wonder how many incidents that would normally go unnoticed , now go to tribunal and a player gets a week for doing literally nothing
Football is so bloody soft these days I’m almost sick of watching it
If that’s the case then the good old days of the unwritten rule of not dobbing are gone .
I wonder how many incidents that would normally go unnoticed , now go to tribunal and a player gets a week for doing literally nothing
Football is so bloody soft these days I’m almost sick of watching it
This is a factor for sure. Losing depth to local Div 1 teams for one means bris teams battle when injuries hit and no doubt training standards can be harder to maintain when there’s limited pressure on selection.
I think however your earlier point about academy/allies/VFL is overstated. Guys like Hilton-Joyce and Rowles whilst they are VFL listed are local juniors of surfers and the cats and have never once played at sharks.
And suns also have a VFL team and allies players that draw from the GC QAFL teams same as the Bris clubs (possibly more so as there are fewer clubs).
I think another person noted that players from down south are also more likely to be attracted to the beach than the city, definitely an advantage to the coast clubs and why the points system is important
Clubs can refer but every QAFL and QAFLW game is reviewed and then charges laid from this vision by HQ where deemed appropriate. My biggest issue is the matrix system does not seem to be valid. Its tossed out or used at a whim which gives very little clarity at times.
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Thats well thought out, but If as you suggest, that is the only, or major reason Brisbane clubs are struggling , then why cant we point to it being an issue historically (last 20 odd years) when there has been a strong div1 in Brisbane for just as long..?
GC clubs 10 premierships, Brisbane clubs 11, since 2000.
Since 2015 GC clubs 6 premierships, Brisbane 1.
So the dominance of the GC clubs all started around 2015 up to now.. Did something happen that affected the Brisbane clubs pre 2015 that had ramifications by 2015?
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Dare I say....the establishment of the Lions academy ...? 
nah thats not it Miller - they have minimal impact on QAFL clubs and relative strength imo. More the boom of the GC as a region - is a significant city now vs a big country town that it was at the beginning of this century.
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Think the thought around > number of div 1 sides in Bris holds up too. Busier life for many these days, the thought of busting a sphincter at QAFL level doesn't hold the appeal that it possibly once did if a bloke can fall back a level, train a couple of times a week and play in a pretty good standard on the weekend still without travelling too far.
Might be swings and roundabouts, who knows.
Finances as well.
Think the thought around > number of div 1 sides in Bris holds up too. Busier life for many these days, the thought of busting a sphincter at QAFL level doesn't hold the appeal that it possibly once did if a bloke can fall back a level, train a couple of times a week and play in a pretty good standard on the weekend still without travelling too far.
Might be swings and roundabouts, who knows.
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Not quite true SMY. I can categorically tell you that unless any incident is reported by an umpire or officially by a club that MRP does not look at footage at all. And in the current climate of umpire protection their reports are firmly upheld so to maintain their satisfaction.
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Miller, probably should address what i did say, rather than what i did not..Dare I say....the establishment of the Lions academy ...?
* If as you suggest, ("Gold Coast doesn't have a single Division 1 club and Sunny Coast has 1.") that is the only, or major reason Brisbane clubs are struggling , then why cant we point to it being an issue historically (last 20 odd years) when there has been a strong div1 in Brisbane for just as long..?
*GC clubs 10 premierships, Brisbane clubs 11, since 2000.
*BUT, since 2015 GC clubs 6 premierships (mostly both grand finalists being GC clubs), Brisbane 1.
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