Politics QAnon and Sovereign Citizens

[Chief]

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[bresker]

Went looking at something off a buy and sell site today ….

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See that at the door.

He takes a while to answer so i look around and….

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Oh yes ive hit the funking jackp.. errr i mean crackpot here….

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I read water meters for a living and these signs are sinister . I’m waiting for one of these deckers to set a dog on me or shoot me.

I have a legal right to go on his property, the $10,000 fine is nonsense (not that I have to tell you that .) He’d have to bring about a private prosecution , I can’t see the cops backing him up in his delusions anytime soon.

 

[kranky al]

I read water meters for a living and these signs are sinister . I’m waiting for one of these deckers to set a dog on me or shoot me.

I have a legal right to go on his property, the $10,000 fine is nonsense (not that I have to tell you that .) He’d have to bring about a private prosecution , I can’t see the cops backing him up in his delusions anytime soon.

The king of these cookers where i live is a bloke called wayne glew. Hes recently lost one of his properties to the council because hes a sov cit and doesnt have to blah blah blah

Anyhoo the courts saw it differently and bye bye expensive property.

I pull the piss out if these plonkers something fierce on teh facebookZ - theres a bunch of sycophants deep gurgling him every chance they get - i started calling them the Glew sniffers - alas for them, the name has stuck…

Freeman King Wayne Kenneth Glew CPO OWB - Cookerpedia

Freeman King Wayne Kenneth Glew CPO OWB

cookerpedia.org

Man charged with calling for McGowan arrest to front court

A notorious “sovereign citizen” from Geraldton will front court for the first time on Friday after he was charged in relation to demands he made for Premier Mark McGowan to be arrested

www.geraldtonguardian.com.au

https://m.facebook.com/WayneGlewCPO/

 

[kranky al]

Took a while to answer because he first had to lock himself in his strong room and check the cameras to make sure you weren't the Illuminati.

Actually dont think this is terribly far off the mark. Was cagey af about his addy - had me drive to a site, message him and then get the final instructions

 

[FredLeDeux]

Actually dont think this is terribly far off the mark. Was cagey af about his addy - had me drive to a site, message him and then get the final instructions

Odd that he uses a government-mandated and designated address.

 

[Episode IV]

It does seem to be a uniquely Anglosphere phenomenon.

So, Malefice. Where do you stand on Lydia Thorpe and the Black Sovereignty movement then?

 

[faible]

So, Malefice. Where do you stand on Lydia Thorpe and the Black Sovereignty movement then?

I think there's a slight difference between the two arguments.

"Australia is a corporation and I don't recognise the Australia Corporation as having jurisdiction over me"

vs

"My people have been here for 50,000 years before the British invaded and should be recognised."

 

[bresker]

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[E Shed]

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I’ve had a few clients like this working in mental health over the years.

It’s interesting that they almost all claim to be Jesus or some kind of being engaged in supernatural warfare against the dark forces of Satan yada yada.

They have also 100% to my experience undergone some variation of developmental trauma.

I’m fairly sure that florid forms of MH disorder arises when the ego is stunted so badly in the childhood stage it never gets to properly evolve through that childhood phase when you’re the only person in the world & everything else is arising according to your imagination.

This guy is particularly lucid.

Fascinating.

 

[bresker]

I'd aso say that they have a desperate, competitive yearning to be seen as smarter than the average human. They've got an insecurity about their lack of education, or else they've overeducated themselves in a bid to prove how intelligent they are. They're usually insufferable smartarses impossible to argue with, because the point of the discussion isn't to prove their point. It's to prove that they have access to information you don't, and they got this information because they're better than you.

 

[kranky al]

I'd aso say that they have a desperate, competitive yearning to be seen as smarter than the average human. They've got an insecurity about their lack of education, or else they've overeducated themselves in a bid to prove how intelligent they are. They're usually insufferable smartarses impossible to argue with, because the point of the discussion isn't to prove their point. It's to prove that they have access to information you don't, and they got this information because they're better than you.

Every random ranting youtube video of some cooker gobbing off is unimpeachable proof.

Anything you post is mainstream media and auto- booted

 

[E Shed]

I'd aso say that they have a desperate, competitive yearning to be seen as smarter than the average human. They've got an insecurity about their lack of education, or else they've overeducated themselves in a bid to prove how intelligent they are. They're usually insufferable smartarses impossible to argue with, because the point of the discussion isn't to prove their point. It's to prove that they have access to information you don't, and they got this information because they're better than you.

I think we’re talking about 2 different things. I was specifically referring to to the (generally) diagnosed schizophrenic types who experience religious hallucinations such as the example above.
The plain old cooker types don’t fall into this category for me although there would be some Venn diagram overlap.

 

[Episode IV]

I think there's a slight difference between the two arguments.

"Australia is a corporation and I don't recognise the Australia Corporation as having jurisdiction over me"

vs

"My people have been here for 50,000 years before the British invaded and should be recognised."

Nope. Those aren't the words being used. You're confusing some issues and movements there.
I'd suggest you go do some actual reading on what this movement is, what is being said, and what its goals are, before commenting any further. Lidia Thorpe has just set herself up as being its "leader"... self-proclaimed or not, I'm not sure at this point. She's just left the Greens, you know, because being a part of an existing political party is too constraining and she can't say what she wants to say.
Historically speaking, there are precedents.

The increased legal and political division of Australia, and as an extension social, on racial lines is becoming a real possibility. These sovereign citizens you've all got your panties in a bunch over are no real threat to the nation or its political stability. They're a joke, really. All twelve of them.
"Blak" Sovereignty, however, if its allowed to continue along this vein, has a chance of gaining real support and eventually political power. And that might come about because there are too many people, like you, who have absolutely no idea of the potential ramifications of these sorts of people attaining authority... and no inclination to educate yourself.

Besides which, my initial comment was on Malefices' statement that this sort of thing is a "uniquely anglosphere phenomenon".
Quite frankly, that's just racist horsepucky. Not that I'd expect too much more at this point around here.

 

[faible]

Nope. Those aren't the words being used. You're confusing some issues and movements there.
I'd suggest you go do some actual reading on what this movement is, what is being said, and what its goals are, before commenting any further. Lidia Thorpe has just set herself up as being its "leader"... self-proclaimed or not, I'm not sure at this point. She's just left the Greens, you know, because being a part of an existing political party is too constraining and she can't say what she wants to say.
Historically speaking, there are precedents.

The increased legal and political division of Australia, and as an extension social, on racial lines is becoming a real possibility. These sovereign citizens you've all got your panties in a bunch over are no real threat to the nation or its political stability. They're a joke, really. All twelve of them.
"Blak" Sovereignty, however, if its allowed to continue along this vein, has a chance of gaining real support and eventually political power. And that might come about because there are too many people, like you, who have absolutely no idea of the potential ramifications of these sorts of people attaining authority... and no inclination to educate yourself.

Besides which, my initial comment was on Malefices' statement that this sort of thing is a "uniquely anglosphere phenomenon".
Quite frankly, that's just racist horsepucky. Not that I'd expect too much more at this point around here.

So if you entirely misrepresent the movements you could, if one were so inclined, make out that it's racist to refer to Sovereign Citizens as just white people.

Got it.

 

[Episode IV]

So if you entirely misrepresent the movements you could, if one were so inclined, make out that it's racist to refer to Sovereign Citizens as just white people.

Got it.

I'm not making anything out, I'm telling you that this sort of movement is a human one, not a "white thing".

How exactly am I misrepresenting anything? What is it I've said you object to?

 

[faible]

I'm not making anything out, I'm telling you that this sort of movement is a human one, not a "white thing".

How exactly am I misrepresenting anything? What is it I've said you object to?

There's a distinct difference between Indigenous Sovereignty discussions and the Sovereign Citizen movement.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

There's a distinct difference between Indigenous Sovereignty discussions and the Sovereign Citizen movement.

Correct. They are nothing alike. Episode IV is making himself look like a fool again.

Sovereign citizen cookers tried to take over the Tent Embassy in Canberra, and were swiftly told to **** off.

 

[Episode IV]

There's a distinct difference between Indigenous Sovereignty discussions and the Sovereign Citizen movement.

Which is what? Perhaps you should explain to me what the difference is between the Blak Sovereignty movement and the Voice proposal, to begin with. I'm not sure you're altogether clear on that, and I think we need to clarify that you actually know something about what you're attempting to discuss.
Then, as I said earlier, you should probably go and read what Lidia Thorpe is saying, and then explain how that's different to what the Sov Cits are saying.

Both groups deny that current Australia law has any jurisdiction over them. Both use similar language and terminology to garner support, and to describe their aims. They even use the exact same word in their name.
One of them wants to go their own way and not pay for anything provided to them by society, the other wants power over others based upon a racial identity (and your money, so they can better live in the society they tell you they want no part of). So I suppose that's one difference.

Perhaps more importantly, given that the Blak Sovereignty movement has stated outright it is power they want, why do you support that?
Tell it straight. Is your base position one of multiculturalism, or is one of blacks first? Are you a black supremacist?
Do you honestly think that undoing decades of evolution of law and cultural repositioning in order to place one group of people over another based upon race is a good idea?

Don't half of you think race is just a social construct anyway? Do you think that, or are you admitting that race is real, and you have a bias?

You don't appear to me to have any solid ideological foundation at all. Either that, or you're being quite circumspect regarding your true beliefs. Prove me wrong. And do try to do it without rhetoric. Use your thinking words.

Correct. They are nothing alike. Episode IV is making himself look like a fool again.

Sovereign citizen cookers tried to take over the Tent Embassy in Canberra, and were swiftly told to * off.

You again. All shouting, insults, and nothing to actually say, other than to voice your support for one group of semi-militant squatters over another.
Compensating for something?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You again. All shouting, insults, and nothing to actually say, other than to voice your support for one group of semi-militant squatters over another.
Compensating for something?

THIS IS SHOUTING

You are such a drama queen.

 

[faible]

Which is what? Perhaps you should explain to me what the difference is between the Blak Sovereignty movement and the Voice proposal, to begin with. I'm not sure you're altogether clear on that, and I think we need to clarify that you actually know something about what you're attempting to discuss.
Then, as I said earlier, you should probably go and read what Lidia Thorpe is saying, and then explain how that's different to what the Sov Cits are saying.

Both groups deny that current Australia law has any jurisdiction over them. Both use similar language and terminology to garner support, and to describe their aims. They even use the exact same word in their name.
One of them wants to go their own way and not pay for anything provided to them by society, the other wants power over others based upon a racial identity (and your money, so they can better live in the society they tell you they want no part of). So I suppose that's one difference.

Perhaps more importantly, given that the Blak Sovereignty movement has stated outright it is power they want, why do you support that?
Tell it straight. Is your base position one of multiculturalism, or is one of blacks first? Are you a black supremacist?
Do you honestly think that undoing decades of evolution of law and cultural repositioning in order to place one group of people over another based upon race is a good idea?

Don't half of you think race is just a social construct anyway? Do you think that, or are you admitting that race is real, and you have a bias?

You don't appear to me to have any solid ideological foundation at all. Either that, or you're being quite circumspect regarding your true beliefs. Prove me wrong. And do try to do it without rhetoric. Use your thinking words.


You again. All shouting, insults, and nothing to actually say, other than to voice your support for one group of semi-militant squatters over another.
Compensating for something?

You've used a whole lot of words to simply further entrench that you really don't know what you're talking about. Ironically, you're trying to demand other people demonstrate to you that they know what they're talking about, despite you clearly demonstrating you have no capacity whatsoever to assess whether people know anything.

If you genuinely and legitimately believe Indigenous Sovereignty and the Sovereign Citizen movement are the same thing, then there's little anyone can do to help you.

 

[Mofra]

Nope. Those aren't the words being used. You're confusing some issues and movements there.
I'd suggest you go do some actual reading on what this movement is, what is being said, and what its goals are, before commenting any further. Lidia Thorpe has just set herself up as being its "leader"... self-proclaimed or not, I'm not sure at this point. She's just left the Greens, you know, because being a part of an existing political party is too constraining and she can't say what she wants to say.
Historically speaking, there are precedents.

The increased legal and political division of Australia, and as an extension social, on racial lines is becoming a real possibility. These sovereign citizens you've all got your panties in a bunch over are no real threat to the nation or its political stability. They're a joke, really. All twelve of them.
"Blak" Sovereignty, however, if its allowed to continue along this vein, has a chance of gaining real support and eventually political power. And that might come about because there are too many people, like you, who have absolutely no idea of the potential ramifications of these sorts of people attaining authority... and no inclination to educate yourself.

Besides which, my initial comment was on Malefices' statement that this sort of thing is a "uniquely anglosphere phenomenon".
Quite frankly, that's just racist horsepucky. Not that I'd expect too much more at this point around here.

I can think of a couple of Queensland coppers who would disagree about SovCits being 'no threat'.
You're seriously underplaying the dangers some of these people represent

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

"Blak" Sovereignty, however, if its allowed to continue along this vein, has a chance of gaining real support and eventually political power. And that might come about because there are too many people, like you, who have absolutely no idea of the potential ramifications of these sorts of people attaining authority... and no inclination to educate yourself.

Oh no! Not indigenous people gaining real political power!

What do you think the ramifications of 'these people' attaining political power are?

 

[Chief]

these sorts of people

Christ mate. Put the hood back on.

 

[Episode IV]

You've used a whole lot of words to simply further entrench that you really don't know what you're talking about. Ironically, you're trying to demand other people demonstrate to you that they know what they're talking about, despite you clearly demonstrating you have no capacity whatsoever to assess whether people know anything.

If you genuinely and legitimately believe Indigenous Sovereignty and the Sovereign Citizen movement are the same thing, then there's little anyone can do to help you.

Righto. So you've gone for the "no, you are" argument, with an insult or two thrown in for good measure. Can't say it wasn't expected.
Of course, what you could have done is what you were asked to do... which is explain what you believe those differences are without resorting to rhetoric and vitriol, and in doing so perhaps educate everyone as to why your position is the stronger one and not simply a matter of hypocrisy and a lack of information and consideration.
Can you do that, or not?

I can think of a couple of Queensland coppers who would disagree about SovCits being 'no threat'.
You're seriously underplaying the dangers some of these people represent

There is very little to indicate that those police were killed by anything more than a couple of very disturbed people who managed to find and feed off each other. I don't believe those murders happened on behalf of the Sov Cit movement any more than I believe Man Haron Monis killed a bunch of people in the name of Islam. Unless you're telling us we should all live in fear of Muslims, as well, because some disturbed individuals go on a rampage every now and then? And while you're at it, perhaps you'll point out where I said the Sov Cits were no threat? Why on earth would you quote me saying that? Or was that an attempt at misinformation by way of paraphrasing?

There are a lot of dangerous people in the world. In Australia, more people are at risk of being murdered at the hands of a spouse or a family member than at the hands of a supremacy movement. I've had weapons pointed at me myself, and it wasn't by anyone affiliated with any of the groups mentioned above either. Scratch around a little, and you're going to find something at the bottom of nearly all of it.

Unfortunately, though, watching you lot trying to figure it all out and find solutions is a lot like watching someone trying to control a boiling pot by clamping down the lid, and all while having a bunch of other pots on the boil at the same time.

Personally, I'd prefer to try to understand why it's happening in the first place. Seems I'm a long way further down that particular path than most of you mob, and a part of that is due to not being led around by the nose by the "look over there!" distractions you're dutifully adhering to.

 

[Episode IV]

Oh no! Not indigenous people gaining real political power!

What do you think the ramifications of 'these people' attaining political power are?

Ok. I'll ask you the same question I've asked before.
Do you believe that one group of people should attain political power purely on the basis of race?

I've already said what at least one ramification is. Such an action would represent the undoing of centuries of western philosophical thought with regard to political doctrine, race relations and multiculturalism.

All that progress, slow as it may have been, and you're going to go and play Jenga with it?