Qatar win 2022 World Cup bid.

[Dan26]

Nope, it's called soccer.

The mere fact that soccer tried to formalise and enforce the word football for soccer shows just how much a bunch of tossers the soccer establishment are.

Exactly. It's total insecurity.

As mentioned in my previous post, you don't see the executives of MLS in the USA changing the name from Soccer to football.

The fact the FFA changed the name shows total insecurity and a paranoia.

 

[Gibbo_88]

once again it's called football...

Even in Australia it's called the FAA (Football Association Australia) not the SAA

One of the stadiums that was named soccer city stadium for the 2010 world cup says otherwise...

 

[Gone Critical]

I only drink beer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot treaty of 1487.

Not because I'm a snob (though I am better than everyone).

But because it's pretty much chemical free and results in very minor hangovers even after epic booze sessions. Aussie beer - even Little Creatures and James Squires are riddled with chemicals and cause my brain to bleed the next day. German beer don't.

And German beers taste better.

I love this misconception

The evil "chemicals". Everything is a chemical. The chemical in beer that gives you the hangover is the EtOH. You can make some minor cases for some of the other constituents contributing to how crap you feel the next day but if you took out the ethanol you would feel fine.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

once again it's called football...

Even in Australia it's called the FAA (Football Association Australia) not the SAA

The term soccer is used so there is no confusion

So why do you use the word "football" to describe it? Are you trying to create confusion?

 

[thedevilsowne]

Seriously anyone really suprised. I watched all presentations an Qatar deserved it. Our one was good a times but shit at others. Like that stupid dam kangaroo skit. PM was embrassing, Paul Hogan.. really? We still need him to promote us. An a girl in a burka playin soccer near aularoo (Need the not sure if serius pic up now!!)
Would have loved it but the best team one. An lets be honest we really don't love soccer anyway. Most Aussie's only give a shit during world cup anyway.. Just look a A leaugue addendances..


note.. Very rushed spelling terrible, If it makes u feel like a big man, Go on hav a go about it. Loser's gotta hav something to make themselves feel good. eh

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Nah, just in context on here I call it Soccer so there is no confusion but technically it's football - FIFA, FA, FFA, UEFA, Fussball (Germany), Futbol (Spain) etc. but there are other sports which use the term "football" (NFL, AFL) - though not in the traditional sense

Break down the word Football and you'll see why it's called this

It's easier to call it Soccer in Oz as it's in context - otherwise most people get confused

 

[Bouvet_Island]

Just looked up the last world cup.

144 goals in 64 (?) games. That's 2.24 goals per game. Or 1.12 goals per team.

So the average scoreline is 1-1.

90 minutes to see my team score once? No thanks.

I used to watch a LOT of AFL. Was right into the office footy tipping, so I'd even watch the games where the teams were just a couple of Melbournian suburbs that I had no connection with.

Then I gradually started to realise that it doesn't matter if you miss out on watching 5 minutes or so, because nothing happens in that 5 minutes that won't happen again in the next 5 minutes after that....

5 minutes became 10 minutes.
Then a quarter.
Then a half.

These days, on the rare occassions there is a match I am interested in, I know just to tune in during the last couple of minutes. If it's a close match, I get to watch the game go down to the final siren. If it's a blow out, I've saved myself a couple of wasted hours.


Soccer, on the other hand, can be won in the first minute of the match. Or the last minute. Or any time between. Or it may finish a draw. Personally, I find this keeps me more interested in the game.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Nah, just in context on here I call it Soccer so there is no confusion but technically it's football - FIFA, FA, FFA, UEFA, Fussball (Germany), Futbol (Spain) etc. but there are other sports which use the term "football" (NFL, AFL) - though not in the traditional sense

Break down the word Football and you'll see why it's called this

It's easier to call it Soccer in Oz as it's in context - otherwise most people get confused

Technically it is called Association Football or Soccer

The term football is derived from it being a ball game played on foot not because they used their feet to play as opposed to games played on horseback.

Even Soccer still requires the use of hands (Goalie, Throw-ins) and isn't played exclusively by the foot (Headers etc), going by your logic is should be called anything but your arms and hands ball

 

[jerry springer]

Disappointed that I wont get to see a world cup in Australia but life goes on

have to admit the Qatar stadium designs are very impressive though

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mu....2022.world.cup.stadiums.qatar/content.1.html

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

For those still ignorant of the economic consensus on major event bidding and deluded into the fanciful benefits trumpeted by vested interest:

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...-the-world-cup-bid-is-a-big-win-a-guest-post/

The FFA exploited false economics and old fashion Aussie Jingoism to commandeer Australian football's stadiums and billions in taxpayer dollars purely for their own benefit at the expense of others

Thank God they failed

 

[Subprime]

I used to watch a LOT of AFL. Was right into the office footy tipping, so I'd even watch the games where the teams were just a couple of Melbournian suburbs that I had no connection with.

Then I gradually started to realise that it doesn't matter if you miss out on watching 5 minutes or so, because nothing happens in that 5 minutes that won't happen again in the next 5 minutes after that....

5 minutes became 10 minutes.
Then a quarter.
Then a half.

These days, on the rare occassions there is a match I am interested in, I know just to tune in during the last couple of minutes. If it's a close match, I get to watch the game go down to the final siren. If it's a blow out, I've saved myself a couple of wasted hours.


Soccer, on the other hand, can be won in the first minute of the match. Or the last minute. Or any time between. Or it may finish a draw. Personally, I find this keeps me more interested in the game.

Sure thing, its why you spend your life on a footy forum...

 

[PumpyChowdown]

I love this misconception

The evil "chemicals". Everything is a chemical. The chemical in beer that gives you the hangover is the EtOH. You can make some minor cases for some of the other constituents contributing to how crap you feel the next day but if you took out the ethanol you would feel fine.

We need Mythbusters!

Seriously.

Buy 12 VB's or whatever Aussie piss you choose and drink them in one session.

Rate how you feel the next day.

Once recovered, buy 12 Lowenbrau's or any other beer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot Treaty and drink them in one session.

Rate how you feel the next day.

Compare the two.

Report back to me.

 

[demons64]

I'm the same...

Andy Harper put it best when he said, a bit tongue in cheek, but very devastated, that we don't deserve the World Cup. Just look around this forum and you can see the people who are rubbing their hands at not having won it, and the fact they named the AFL as the organisation most relieved not to have won it - not NRL and AFL, just the AFL - made me actually ashamed to be an AFL fan. I bleed red and white for the Swans. I'm a Hull fan through and through, and even support Arsenal to an extent, but if Hull were involved in the FA Cup final, or were in a match to decide the Premier League season, and it clashed with a Swans H&A match, I'd watch the Swans first, but all the same, I am ASHAMED tonight to be part of a code that sneers down it's nose at another code. I've said it in another thread, and I'll say it again here. To in one breath s****** at the 'paranoid' League code, and in the same breath insult Football - that's it's name, don't say any different - is absolutely ludicrous. Ignore the economic impact, ignore the impact for TWO MONTHS OF ONE SEASON that this tournament would have on the country and AFL respectively. Respect the OCASION of it. So many have said 'Oh I don't mind the Olympics, that's different.' THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE OLYMPICS. This is the World Game! The only sport that is competently played by the majority of the world. You look at any other World Cup, even the Olympics. In any event you can pick going into it the top 2, 3 nations. In the FIFA World Cup, you can't!

Who's to say, going into an event, whether England will finall pull it's finger out? Whether Spain's supreme talent will finally click? Whether Italy will put on an elite show and leave the rest in the dust? Whether the USA will come from no where to demonstrate how far the nation has come? Whether Brazil will do as it usually does and leave the others with their mothes open and a trail of dust behind their amazing talents? Whether France will pull through and actually deliver? Whether Germany will show the others what it's been promising for so long?

What other event can promise that? The Rugby World Cup? Please. England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, and MAYBE France are the only nations who will ever win it. The AFL World Cup? HA. We don't even compete! The NRL World Cup, even more of a farce, we compete but it's staged to give it credibility. The Cricket World Cup? Who outside the Commonwealth gives a crap?

THIS IS THE WORLD STAGE! And because of the arrogance of the AFL in particular, this event is now maybe decades away from happening in this country.

On this day alone, if no other, I am ashamed to call myself an Aussie Rules fan, when that first word, the Aussie, is so callously disreguarded by so many, who have eyes for one small team in one small city in Australia.

you mean like Craig Foster and his ilk did on numerous ocassions..?? It's called Karma...you got what you deserved.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Technically it is called Association Football or Soccer

The term football is derived from it being a ball game played on foot not because they used their feet to play as opposed to games played on horseback.

Even Soccer still requires the use of hands (Goalie, Throw-ins) and isn't played exclusively by the foot (Headers etc), going by your logic is should be called anything but your arms and hands ball

Fair point - Goalies are almost an exception to the rule as they make up less than 10% of the playing group and even then the rules are only applied to them inside the box - the rules don't apply when your team kicks it back to you by foot either (you can head/chest it to them though). Throw ins are only for when the ball is 'dead' and out of play so I wouldn't really consider that

I'll give you headers and chests to control the ball though - but generally tradition football is played without the use of hands/arms in contact with the ball

But in comparison to other ball-sports called "football", traditional football is the only one exclusively played without the use of hands/arms (NFL they run with the ball in their arms and throw it one another - I don't need to explain the AFL on an Aussie Rules forum )

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm a soccer fan but I'm over the moon we missed out. A couple of points:

1. Not worth the billions of dollars of inevitable debt
2. Poor form? I think you should vent your anger at the arrogant soccer mob who just assume the AFL should close down for a season for the "betterment of culture".

Have you stopped and thought over what a year of no AFL would mean? Do you know how many jobs would be lost for a start?

People like you who have no concept of reality are the ones who need to pull their heads in.

Back at you. If you think we would have no Afl for the year then you have no concept of reality. Sure the season may have been modified a bit but no footy at all

 

[Gone Critical]

We need Mythbusters!

Seriously.

Buy 12 VB's or whatever Aussie piss you choose and drink them in one session.

Rate how you feel the next day.

Once recovered, buy 12 Lowenbrau's or any other beer brewed under the Reinheitsgebot Treaty and drink them in one session.

Rate how you feel the next day.

Compare the two.

Report back to me.

Anecdotal evidence is perfect for justifying misconceptions. Its what powers most medical myths. If you really wanted to start to test your hypothesis you would need more people than just me and you would need to blind the whole operation. As soon as you dont do even these basic things you create bias that will invalidate your findings.

Correct me if I am wrong but are you saying the copious amounts of ethanol in the German beers you have suggested I drink is not going to cause me to be hungover.

Ethanols obvious side effects are nausea vomitting headache dehydration malaise etc. Any of those sound familiar.

 

[SM]

you mean like Craig Foster and his ilk did on numerous ocassions..?? It's called Karma...you got what you deserved.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Who is that 'you' directed at? Sounds like you're lumping me in with the Football crazies who are bent on changing the landscape of Austrlaian sport and instating Football at the top. I'm not like that. Like I actually say in my post, Aussie Rules will always be my number one sport. You don't get up at 3am in London just to listen to a radio broadcast on afl.com.au of your team getting thumped by the Demons for nothing. I'm just making the point that each sport should be recognised for its merits, and this paranoid sneering about other sports because 'ours is bigger and better than yours' is just a pissing contest.

 

[XFactor1979]

that dream of giving geelong a 50000 seat stadium

gold coast and brissy 80000 seaters imagine the utopian afl society with huge crowds?

blacktown a 40000 seat stadium, newcastle 40000

... NO STADIUMS FOR US!

come back 20 years!

 

[bunsen burner]

Back at you. If you think we would have no Afl for the year then you have no concept of reality. Sure the season may have been modified a bit but no footy at all

9 weeks of no footy. You pretty much have to scrap the season. What do these players in peak physical condition do in 9 weeks? Twiddle their thumbs? Stretching?

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Fair point - Goalies are almost an exception to the rule as they make up less than 10% of the playing group and even then the rules are only applied to them inside the box - the rules don't apply when your team kicks it back to you by foot either (you can head/chest it to them though). Throw ins are only for when the ball is 'dead' and out of play so I wouldn't really consider that

I'll give you headers and chests to control the ball though - but generally tradition football is played without the use of hands/arms in contact with the ball

But in comparison to other ball-sports called "football", traditional football is the only one exclusively played without the use of hands/arms (NFL they run with the ball in their arms and throw it one another - I don't need to explain the AFL on an Aussie Rules forum )

To score a goal in Australian Football, the ball must come off a foot and not touch any thing until after it passes the goalline.

To score a goal in Association Football (Soccer), the ball just has to pass the goalline, provided it is in play and a offence hasn't occured, it can come off the goalie, deflect off another player or the goal post or cross bar. To score a goal in Soccer doesn't require the use of the foot.

 

[XFactor1979]

great, now we have to put up with another craig foster tirade on sbs news!

who lets people like him air his views?

then again, i am shooting myself in the foot by being a leftist who avoids 7, 9 and 10 and only watches abc and sbs. Case in point i turn down the volume for commentary of the afl on tv - yes i know , this makes it boring!

 

[Xavi6]

Some amount of shit posted in this thread, a lot of it by our Russian friend below (he's Russian you know).

Correct. I do like soccer..to an extent. But could I stand it for 6 weeks! I'd go insane. It is boring. So many draws and so much diving. Keep that rubbish off our shores please.

No one's asking you to watch it. What they are asking is that you don't be so bloody self involved and help another code grow in a sports mad nation.

If the AFL was in the same position and was looking to expand into the UK for example you would be delighted if the English FA cooperated to a similar extent. Your posts are a load of bollox to put it bluntly and it's backwards attitudes like that in the post above that will hold the country back.

Why is the soccer world cup continually regarded by some as the greatest show on earth?
What makes the event the greatest show on earth?

The World Cup attracts a higher global audience than any other event in the world. Leaving aside what happens on the pitch as it's obviously not to everyone's tastes, the event itself is spectacular and appeals to all corners of the globe (hence the viewing figures).

It probably is the greatest show on earth to the countries that live and breathe the game, but in Australia we do not live and breathe soccer, we live and breathe AFL and Rugby.
How would it be the greatest show on earth in Australia? Or to Australians?

It would be the best thing in the country for that four or five week period. Australians would embrace it due to patriotism even if they couldn't stand the sport itself. No Aussie would want to see their country embarrassed such is the national pride so it would be a guaranteed success if held here.

Most people who don't follow soccer would rather watch their grass grow in their back yard than watch one game of soccer.
This so called Greatest show on earth all of a sudden makes us want to watch 100 games of this game we don't follow?

It's 64 games

There are people who don't like soccer in every country. There are also people who will watch grass grow if it was labelled a sport. Soccer would attract more fans, sure we've already seen it happen following 2006. The bandwagon would be in full swing as it was then, and having so many of the world's greatest players in the country at the same time can only be a good thing.

One of the reasons for soccer not being so popular is the lack of live exposure to the greats of the game. A guest appearance from Beckham every three years pales in comparison to being able to attend a huge game if you live in Europe for example. If you got more household names here then the kids would pick up on it.

Now obviously that's a downside for the AFL in terms of sport at grassroots level but imo there's room for soccer to grow without having an impact.

People on here keep saying that a world cup final has more atmosphere and is better than anything on earth? Why is it?
Is the crowd more excited than the crowd at the AFL grand Final? Do they give the crowd stimulants to be louder or something as they walk in the gate?

I don't necessarily agree with those who say it's better. Both are unique and amazing in their own way.

Wouldn't it be great though for Australia to be able to compare both first hand?

I was fortunate or unfortunate enough to see Manchester Untied play Liverpool at Old Trafford some years back, I was constantly told how lucky I was to even get a ticket and it will be an event i will never forget.

Well they were correct, thats 3 hours of my life I will never get back. The people who love it , good on them. That is their sport. No issue here.

But stop trying to sell it to us because you think it may be good for our country, we have an individual choice to support what sport we want to. I don't care if soccer grows and becomes our countries biggest sport in time because individual choices will decide that.

Give it a rest with this biggest event on earth crap, its the biggest event to the people who love the game. A snorefest for the rest of us.

I think 'snorefest' is a very close minded thing to say, as I said above. I think NRL is a load of wank but if Australia got the World Cup and there were games in Perth I'd probably go along for the experience.

Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean that there aren't plenty who do. Stop and think about them for a minute and realise that there's a place for everybody.

I've only been living here for four years so the above opinions come from an 'outsider' so to speak.

 

[Clay Davis]

To score a goal in Australian Football, the ball must come off a foot and not touch any thing until after it passes the goalline.

To score a goal in Association Football (Soccer), the ball just has to pass the goalline, provided it is in play and a offence hasn't occured, it can come off the goalie, deflect off another player or the goal post or cross bar. To score a goal in Soccer doesn't require the use of the foot.

Well said.

Soccer should be called Everything But Hands Ball.

 

[OniAu]

Qatar, a country of 1.6 million people, average temp of 46.5 degrees in June/July. PATHETIC

cant wait for the soccer players to fake heat stroke.

that guy against aus that got a blood nose and had to be stretchered off says enough about the sport.

i love following aus in any sport , but soccer seems more corrupt than cricket

 

[SM]

9 weeks of no footy. You pretty much have to scrap the season. What do these players in peak physical condition do in 9 weeks? Twiddle their thumbs? Stretching?

I've said it before to the point of tedium. America didn't have to scrap their Major League Baseball competition during their World Cup. An arrangement could and would have been reached.