Random NON FOOTY thoughts not worthy of a thread: Edition II

[RobZombie]

For one, all those wishing for a property collapse in this country.
A property collapse and high inflation and high interest rates will devastate all most the entire population and those banging on about removing negative gearing and foreign investors , they will be effected most with no employment.

That's one

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But that's nothing to do with political correctness, that's just tackling an idea on its merits. And I happen to agree with that point. Figuring out how to carefully soften demand without causing an over-correction is an almost insoluble challenge. And no government of either side wants to be the one that presides over large scale destruction of wealth, no matter what the upside might be.

But complaining about "political correctness" sets off my spidey senses. It's lazy. I'd type more but I'm also lazy.

 

[Royal Flush]

Unless your family came in the 90s they came during the genocide of aboriginal people. There are aboriginal people around today who would argue that genocide is still ongoing and I'm not talking about radicals like the Nigel.

The wealth this country has now is built off the dispossession and genocide of aboriginal people (and the slavery/free labour of convicts, indentured workers and blackfellas). We benefit from it today because we benefit from the wealth built over previous generations. If you don't acknowledge those things then you are simply failing to acknowledge reality.

There are members of the stolen generation who are my age, and the same age as plenty of other posters here - less than 50 years old. Some are (or were, thanks to suicide) my friends. I find it hard to believe your family arrived a generation after what happened to them, unless they've only just got here.

There are people my age whose families were hunted thru parts of Queensland while Vietnamese boat people were arriving here. I know some of them.

Your kids don't deserve to feel guilty for that but they should acknowledge it happened, still happens and they should be aware of the benefit they have as a result of it.

I look like an aboriginal and during the 90s had someone in a pub in melbourne describe still shooting blackfellas with high calibre jacketed rounds so the evidence of who shot them was almost impossible to gather. They expressed their desire to show me how this worked in person. Just came up to me in a pub and started going on about it. I used to pick fruit in the Riverina in the late 80s and early 90s and would always visit local blackfellas. They'd always say which towns to avoid depending on which cops had been transferred where. I'm talking about the cops with a reputation for organising suicides or just driving people 20 kms out of town and killing them. If you're older than Ben Brown this happened in your lifetime.

I don't take a liking to that racism you experienced , my father copped similar abuse driving a bus in the 70s. I copped the wog thing but everyone was coping something . Not right, but nothing to dwell on years later.
The argument that stolen generations built this country to what it is today economically was framed to illegitimise my next point, which is that the European migration of the 60s and 70s built this country.

My grand parents and parents worked their arses off contributing to the wealth of the nation and payed their fairshare of taxes.
If this stolen generation business was happening 70s and 80s then clearly my understanding of Australian history is outdated. But I will continue the argument that my heritage contributed zilch to the dispossessed in Australia .
I can feel empathetic to their suffering equal to hundreds of other nations around the world.


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[Hearts to hearts]

Jesus spoke about money because it is was universal to the audience and spoke to the treasure of people's hearts and minds.

Of course he did. All biblical talk about money is metaphorical, so we can make of it what we like, and all talk about sex is literal, as least as it applies to other people.

I'm quite old, I was raised in the church, I have been an elder in the church, so I'm unlikely to hear an argument now for the first time.

Anyway, this vote is about a definition in the law, not religious marriage. Let myself be led way off track again. D'oh.

 

[Moti]

Of course he did. All biblical talk about money is metaphorical, so we can make of it what we like, and all talk about sex is literal, as least as it applies to other people.

I'm quite old, I was raised in the church, I have been an elder in the church, so I'm unlikely to hear an argument now for the first time.

Anyway, this vote is about a definition in the law, not religious marriage. Let myself be led way off track again. D'oh.

Didn't say all was metaphorical, but universal, which means applied to both to it directly and other parallels. Hard to think of a clean parallel for sex though!

And that is exactly right, it is a definition. How you define it is the sum of your experiences.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Of course he did. All biblical talk about money is metaphorical, so we can make of it what we like, and all talk about sex is literal, as least as it applies to other people.

I'm quite old, I was raised in the church, I have been an elder in the church, so I'm unlikely to hear an argument now for the first time.

Anyway, this vote is about a definition in the law, not religious marriage. Let myself be led way off track again. D'oh.

True, this vote is about a definition in the law, but I'm preaching to the converted* when I note that it's worth having the discussion because the issue at hand is so much broader than the legal definition.

I was brought up as a Catholic and whilst some of the religious discussion resonates, it also reinforces the reasons for me now being lapsed.


* and how's that for a context-appropriate cliche!

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Didn't say all was metaphorical, but universal, which means applied to both to it directly and other parallels. Hard to think of a clean parallel for sex though!

And that is exactly right, it is a definition. How you define it is the sum of your experiences.

Winning grand finals?

 

[Moti]

Winning grand finals?

Yeah, not bad!

 

[Moti]

True, this vote is about a definition in the law, but I'm preaching to the converted* when I note that it's worth having the discussion because the issue at hand is so much broader than the legal definition.

I was brought up as a Catholic and whilst some of the religious discussion resonates, it also reinforces the reasons for me now being lapsed.


* and how's that for a context-appropriate cliche!

I think it often gets overlooked that people have different ideologies but instead of embracing diversity of though it we get adversarial. That is what makes the whole diversity argument hilarious to me, be diverse but as long as it fits with my definition of diverse.

 

[Mav]

Winning grand finals?

We'd have to start thinking about a name change to the North Melbourne Carmalites if we go down that path!

 

[LuvtheKangas]

We'd have to start thinking about a name change to the North Melbourne Carmalites if we go down that path!

True. In term's of success, our recent run has been dry as a nun's

Umm, am I allowed to make that joke?

 

[Moti]

True. In term's of success, our recent run has been dry as a nun's

Umm, am I allowed to make that joke?

So was Kelly the messiah or ...


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[Twinkletoes]

Every now and then I'm reminded why I could never be stuffed visiting the SRP (Society, Religion and Politics) board on BF. Play on...........

 

[The Dingrel]

Was on my Bloomberg terminal today reading the odd bit of financial news and came across an article about the most valuable sports franchises in the world. Was surprised to learn its not Man U or the Yankees, but in fact the Dallas Cowboys. Wondering where the mighty NMFC sits on that scale? But wondering given that we have the both wear the royal blue and white, is there any scope for some sort of JV program, share kangatech, sport science etc, set plays, training drills, potential international rookies, and possible cross sell each others merchandise. San Fran got some merchandise traction into Sydney with Jarryd Hayne (ie/ 1 player) for example. We could sell Cowboys merchandise at the Rooshop and vice versa.

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Cowboys Are World's Most Valuable Team At $4.8 Billion
By The Associated Press
(AP) -- The Dallas Cowboys not only are the NFL's most valuable franchise for the 11th straight year, they are the top-valued team in the world.
According to Forbes magazine, their worth increased 14 percent in the last year, reaching $4.8 billion. That's more than $1 billion ahead of the Patriots ($3.7 billion).
Rounding out the NFL's top five are the Giants ($3.3 billion), Redskins ($3.1 billion) and 49ers ($3.05 billion).
On average, an NFL franchise is worth $2.52 billion, an increase of 8 percent since 2016. Much of that can be attributed to rights fees and new stadiums or stadium renovations.
Every team is worth at least a billion, with the Buffalo Bills last at $1.6 billion. Forbes reported earlier this year that the average baseball franchise is worth $1.54 billion.
The Falcons had the highest increase in value, up 16 percent to more than $2.47 billion The team just moved into a $1.5 billion stadium in Atlanta.
Globally, according to Forbes' rankings of July, the Cowboys are followed by baseball's New York Yankees at $3.7 billion, a figure the Patriots have now tied. Next in those rankings are three European soccer giants: Manchester United at $3.69 billion, FC Barcelona at $3.64 billion and Real Madrid at $3.58 billion.
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[DarkPhoenix]

Every now and then I'm reminded why I could never be stuffed visiting the SRP (Society, Religion and Politics) board on BF. Play on...........

Not a fan of SRP myself, but theres some things worth discussing.

 

[ferball]

I don't take a liking to that racism you experienced , my father copped similar abuse driving a bus in the 70s. I copped the wog thing but everyone was coping something . Not right, but nothing to dwell on years later.
The argument that stolen generations built this country to what it is today economically was framed to illegitimise my next point, which is that the European migration of the 60s and 70s built this country.

My grand parents and parents worked their arses off contributing to the wealth of the nation and payed their fairshare of taxes.
If this stolen generation business was happening 70s and 80s then clearly my understanding of Australian history is outdated. But I will continue the argument that my heritage contributed zilch to the dispossessed in Australia .
I can feel empathetic to their suffering equal to hundreds of other nations around the world.


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You're not listening.

Its ongoing right now. That is why there's a push to move aboriginal people off remote communities where they have often lived for tens of thousands of years. Its why there is a push to deny the teaching of English as a second language to those communities. The language those people spoken for millennia is the one they are first exposed to. Removing people from their land (which in this case removes their control of land) and interfering with the speaking of language is an old British technique for wiping out populations. It also means they lose the right to negotiate with mining companies that would normally be granted under native Title legislation. We shouldn't be repeating or anything like it at this point in history. Remote indigenous communities have much greater success rate when it comes to dealing with substance abuse and other health and social issues that beset indigenous people. Moving them to towns, Missions and the like does the opposite.

European immigration did great things and really helped build modern Australia but the racism you copped is not the same as having to pick and choose what towns you went to for work because of the chance some racist murderous prick (often in a uniform) would kill you. That was my experience but in reality its not that bad a problem for me. I had the choice of where to go and could always go back home. I had a good reputation as a worker and would get asked back to the same farms. If you were a blackfella in some of those towns you didn't have a choice, it was happening in your home. Where else would you go?

The money that was available to build the Snowy Mountains Scheme for example ... the stuff so many migrants got paid with came from dispossession and slavery, working for no wages, minimal rations while foreign landholders got rich off the country. That's what built the wealth that enabled your ancestors to immigrate and paid for so many of the benefits I've experienced during my life. I don't have to feel guilty for it but I should be acknowledging it. And really so should you. If that didn't happen the cash wouldn't have been there for your ancestors to get paid with, to begin to build a future for their kids.

Archie Roach, who wrote that song "took the children away" was born in 1956 in Jy Simpkin's home town. He wasn't the last generation of people to be stolen. People my age were and I was born in 1969. Some of those kids were taken in the 70s. Around the time North won its first flag. Since we last won the wooden spoon. Some people are arguing the over policing of indigenous communities and excessive removal of kids for "child protection" purposes today is creating a new stolen generation. We don't really know how many of those removals are reasonable and how many aren't.

Aboriginal people were still being killed without consequence after the bicentennial. Some people would argue they still are today. Although these days if you're not a cop you can expect to do a year or two in prison on some fairly lightweight charge.

 

[ferball]

I think it often gets overlooked that people have different ideologies but instead of embracing diversity of though it we get adversarial. That is what makes the whole diversity argument hilarious to me, be diverse but as long as it fits with my definition of diverse.

It wouldn't get as adversarial if people didn't feel that some people's rights (theirs or others) were being interfered with because of some other people's ideologies.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Just dropped my YES vote into the post box and no Homer, it didn't give me gay!


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JUst got back from mailing my Yes vote. Got neked with the missus. No gay.

 

[Orange Peanut]

JUst got back from mailing my Yes vote. Got neked with the missus. No gay.

Posted mine this morning. Got home from work tonight and proposed to the dog.

 

[Boomerfan99]

Maybe evidence/studies both ways , I'll stand firm of the opinion that a child is entitled to be raised by a mother and a father foremost.

Equality in marriage is one thing, but convincing the population that a male/male, female/female, trans/male, trans/female or trans/trans or single woman family environment is equal or better family to raising children is one long bow.

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Agree whole heartedly. Have the same argument with my wife all the time.

 

[Moti]

Posted mine this morning. Got home from work tonight and proposed to the dog.

Did she say wwesss?

 

[Orange Peanut]

Did she say wwesss?

it's a "he", dude. I'm sorry if his gender makes you uncomfortable.

 

[Tas]

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-gets-body-part-stuck-in-a-weight-at-the-gym

 

[North Viking]

Another one? I've survived a few of these. That thing mentioned Niburu/Planet X.

I played footy with a guy who believed in the first Niburu/Planet X smashing into earth date in 21C. It was sposed to happen back on May 15th 2003. He brought some land in the great dividing range to survive the alleged pole shift that would happen then spent a fortune preparing a Doomsday bunker and headed out there in early May. This was a big deal because someone called "Nancy Lieder" was channelling aliens from Zeta reticulai or some such place and they wanted to save at least some of humanity (**** knows why). More likely Nancy was channeling coke on behalf of Los Zetas and maybe had too much but anyway.

On May the 15th the US Military launched "Operation Planet X" as part of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" which shows that if nothing else whoever names US military ops has a sense of humour. Or the illuminati does. So afterward he copped a bit of the "So Nancy Lied ... er what you gonna do now?"

Its actually lucky for my mate that nothing happened cos he's a Port supporter and if the world had ended he would have missed them winning a flag the next year.

 

[North Viking]

Maybe evidence/studies both ways , I'll stand firm of the opinion that a child is entitled to be raised by a mother and a father foremost.

Equality in marriage is one thing, but convincing the population that a male/male, female/female, trans/male, trans/female or trans/trans or single woman family environment is equal or better family to raising children is one long bow.

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I spent 6 months living in Africa in my 20's and worked for the Red Cross.
I saw millions. No exaggeration of unloved kids, abandoned kids, abused kids, r*ped kids, shall I go on?
And you're saying that these kids wouldn't give the world to be loved and cared for by 2 people in a loving union. Ffs
Just have a 5 minute chat to any organisation that deals with similar issues with Aussie kids.
I think your views are very short sighted.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Result of you saying you'll vote no to SSM: May cop some "bullying"

Result of saying you are gay or lesbian: May get beaten up, killed, fired, discriminated against, arrested and charged with a crime, disowned by family and friends, depressed and suicidal.

And thanks H2H for sharing. I felt abit like Daffyd Thomas for a while there.