RDFL 2016 Season discussion

[Kruizer]

Think I'll jump on the train as well toot toot

Keston pipe down for a little and lets talk footy, it was a wallen player behind play. It happened a few times yesterday, oh well cant win the game lets win the fights. Knox was great again. Cats would be lost without the good forward target.
Did anyone go to any other games and report in on how good or bad they were?

 

[Keston]

Keston pipe down for a little and lets talk footy, it was a wallen player behind play. It happened a few times yesterday, oh well cant win the game lets win the fights. Knox was great again. Cats would be lost without the good forward target.
Did anyone go to any other games and report in on how good or bad they were?

Was down at lancefield park broadford looked solid across the ground minus Webb holland and piccione all unavailable.
when the weather set in lancefield scrapt it out Grenville looked good for his first run kicked 4 I believe and Rhys smith played a blinder as he always does still dont get how this bloke isn't one of the first picked for inter league he has it all but broadford controlled the contest and kept lancefield at arms length in wet conditions
Game was played in good spirits but was massively over umpired ....

 

[Aucklander]

I think its on camera, we will know soon enough.

The main thing is, he's ok and I know his family are greatly appreciative of the help he received from the Macedon trainer.

 

[Ease uP]

All you guys having a crack are more than welcome to come down to Macpherson Park Wednesday and have a go at umpiring yourself. You won't need much training as you all seem like experts already.

Happy to lend a whistle if you need.......

Last time I checked ORANGE UMP you guys and gals get paid to do a job! Nobody is forcing you to put the whistle in your mouth and make the game all about you! If you do not like being criticised on how badly you are doing your paid job take up a new profession I hear there is some vacancies in the live scoring department! Oh wait a minute those guys do it for free!!

 

[Keston]

Last time I checked ORANGE UMP you guys and gals get paid to do a job! Nobody is forcing you to put the whistle in your mouth and make the game all about you! If you do not like being criticised on how badly you are doing your paid job take up a new profession I hear there is some vacancies in the live scoring department! Oh wait a minute those guys do it for free!!

Understand that these guys get paid its not the point they have to learn it's a tuff gig so don't try and umpire above your means be consistent pay what needs to be paid and if there is consistency then it would lead to less complaints and don't get verbally involved if a player mouths of warn them then give 50 it's simple
Players make mistakes so do umps just don't over umpire KISS

 

[ChrisThaLedg]

I want to extend a big public thanks to the Macedon Football Netball Club for a great day yesterday... and for supplying two volunteer boundary umpires to help us out in the 18s.. it's this sort of dedication and commitment that is deeply appreciated and makes a big difference to lifting a positive culture for our competition.. from a club's perspective.. it was one of my favourite days this year at the football and netball.. 100 thumbs up!

 

[Aucklander]

I must say It's an absolutely gorgeous venue. Ground was in great nick.

 

[blues12]

Its interesting to read "The Rupertswood umpire" Am i missing something? Clubs haven't needed to supply umpires for over 20 years.
I believe what you meant to say was the RDFL umpire with history.
I think you will find most umpires have a history with a football club, then make the move to become an unbiased umpire.

 

[blues12]

No he did not

This question and answer is irrelevant. Time on in the RDFL is only blown time off after the ball exits the feild. (Scores or boundary)

 

[oneeyedblue]

This question and answer is irrelevant. Time on in the RDFL is only blown time off after the ball exits the feild. (Scores or boundary)

Of course I forgot you were there.

 

[oneeyedblue]

Its interesting to read "The Rupertswood umpire" Am i missing something? Clubs haven't needed to supply umpires for over 20 years.
I believe what you meant to say was the RDFL umpire with history.
I think you will find most umpires have a history with a football club, then make the move to become an unbiased umpire.

I said what I meant, he just needed the jumper on.

 

[ChrisThaLedg]

Its interesting to read "The Rupertswood umpire" Am i missing something? Clubs haven't needed to supply umpires for over 20 years.
I believe what you meant to say was the RDFL umpire with history.
I think you will find most umpires have a history with a football club, then make the move to become an unbiased umpire.

Well said mate.. as an umpire .. you need to have a love of footy that starts somewhere ..
It's sounding like a broken record... but field umpires make hundreds of decisions per game (every contest and disposal.. legal or not legal) .. if not, more .. they are never going to get every single one of them right.. no-one can, it's impossible .. no player has a perfect game..
Some umpires do have lapses in concentration.. and confidence.. just like a player does.. the advantage that a player has is that if they make a mistake, they'll get feedback from coaches or runners during the time the game.. either during playing time or in breaks.. a field umpire doesn't have that luxury.. if they make a mistake, they need to keep their head up and forget it.. and focus on making the right decision the next time .. sometimes that next decision can be 2 minutes.. or five seconds.. but you know what, it's not always that easy ..
It shouldn't be expected that every decision needs to be correct.. but it is made to the umpire's best ability..
And if anyone that's ever umpired .. how many times do the crowd get angry when an infringement is made and an umpire doesn't award a free kick due to a player getting in the way, or the contact obviously being made facing the boundary so that there is no way an umpire can see it?
I don't buy into the whole bias decision making either .. or the need to know the free kick count. The only thing relevant to an umpire is making sure that they get the next decision right.. and lets be honest.. field umpires are colour blind.. they're not looking at the colour of the team to award a free-kick.. they are looking for the free kick.. it's so easy these days where you see the umpire accidentally point the wrong way for a decision makes they've looked for that decision to be paid and don't immediately know who the team is.. I know I'm guilty of that.
I could go as far as suggesting that perhaps those that may accuse umpires of bias officiating, just may be bias themselves if they had the opportunity to umpire a game..
No umpire has anything to gain out of seeing one team win over another .. their gains are having a good personal performance and being part of a good team performance.
I saw that yesterday at Macedon in the Seniors where the umpiring was spot on all day.. and the highlight was a decision on whether a player had kicked a goal when their foot was before the line or over the line.. at this point, the goal umpire, the closest field umpire and two boundaries got together for a conference to ultimately make the right decision.. that is as good as it gets.
Umps should not avoid criticism if it is deserved.. yes they get paid etc.. but crickey, I guarantee if there wasn't a financial incentive, the umpire numbers would be almost non-existent .. seriously, who wants to volunteer to umpire a code where they get abused constantly on and off the field..? Some of this money goes to affording good coaches.. good coaching equipment and technology to make the standard the best it can be ..
Like clubs.. our current group has been hit hard by injuries across the board.. the upside is we are seeing games getting put into quality young kids who are learning and will be the future of our competition, and or the national competition.. no league is having the amount of umpires going to the VFL/TAC Cup at a faster rate than ours.. that's a fact.. so the standard must be pretty bloody good.. but at the same time, we're losing quality umpires at the top of the chain..
I love umpiring.. I've done everything there is to do in footy except coach or be president of a club, and umpiring is easily the best part of our game..
I'm sorry for the rant lads..

 

[olly21]

Watched riddell v woodend. Was hopeing for a close game, but woodend didn't really show up to play. I also belive riddell have a lot to improve on aswell. They were incredibally young team aswell.

 

[Ease uP]

Well said mate.. as an umpire .. you need to have a love of footy that starts somewhere ..
It's sounding like a broken record... but field umpires make hundreds of decisions per game (every contest and disposal.. legal or not legal) .. if not, more .. they are never going to get every single one of them right.. no-one can, it's impossible .. no player has a perfect game..
Some umpires do have lapses in concentration.. and confidence.. just like a player does.. the advantage that a player has is that if they make a mistake, they'll get feedback from coaches or runners during the time the game.. either during playing time or in breaks.. a field umpire doesn't have that luxury.. if they make a mistake, they need to keep their head up and forget it.. and focus on making the right decision the next time .. sometimes that next decision can be 2 minutes.. or five seconds.. but you know what, it's not always that easy ..
It shouldn't be expected that every decision needs to be correct.. but it is made to the umpire's best ability..
And if anyone that's ever umpired .. how many times do the crowd get angry when an infringement is made and an umpire doesn't award a free kick due to a player getting in the way, or the contact obviously being made facing the boundary so that there is no way an umpire can see it?
I don't buy into the whole bias decision making either .. or the need to know the free kick count. The only thing relevant to an umpire is making sure that they get the next decision right.. and lets be honest.. field umpires are colour blind.. they're not looking at the colour of the team to award a free-kick.. they are looking for the free kick.. it's so easy these days where you see the umpire accidentally point the wrong way for a decision makes they've looked for that decision to be paid and don't immediately know who the team is.. I know I'm guilty of that.
I could go as far as suggesting that perhaps those that may accuse umpires of bias officiating, just may be bias themselves if they had the opportunity to umpire a game..
No umpire has anything to gain out of seeing one team win over another .. their gains are having a good personal performance and being part of a good team performance.
I saw that yesterday at Macedon in the Seniors where the umpiring was spot on all day.. and the highlight was a decision on whether a player had kicked a goal when their foot was before the line or over the line.. at this point, the goal umpire, the closest field umpire and two boundaries got together for a conference to ultimately make the right decision.. that is as good as it gets.
Umps should not avoid criticism if it is deserved.. yes they get paid etc.. but crickey, I guarantee if there wasn't a financial incentive, the umpire numbers would be almost non-existent .. seriously, who wants to volunteer to umpire a code where they get abused constantly on and off the field..? Some of this money goes to affording good coaches.. good coaching equipment and technology to make the standard the best it can be ..
Like clubs.. our current group has been hit hard by injuries across the board.. the upside is we are seeing games getting put into quality young kids who are learning and will be the future of our competition, and or the national competition.. no league is having the amount of umpires going to the VFL/TAC Cup at a faster rate than ours.. that's a fact.. so the standard must be pretty bloody good.. but at the same time, we're losing quality umpires at the top of the chain..
I love umpiring.. I've done everything there is to do in footy except coach or be president of a club, and umpiring is easily the best part of our game..
I'm sorry for the rant lads..

Soooo what's your point razor?

 

[Keston]

I said what I meant, he just needed the jumper on.

 

[RDFLNUT]

I said what I meant, he just needed the jumper on.

Point made, however surly unless a game of footy has zero mistakes made ( no shots on goal missed, no marks dropped, no targets missed by foot or hand, no poor decisions made ) then and only then will I not accept an umpire making an error in judgement. ( i admit I was not there so in actual fact the umpire may have made the correct call )

It's becomming embarrassing, without them we don't have a game so get on with it.

Like players that get paid big dollars some have good days and some have bad days.

I for one appreciate the job they do to enable us to play and watch the game we love.

Diggers about $1.40 to win surly !!

 

[AFLL]

Great point RDFLNUT, they are not perfect, probably poor at times but there is no other option but to perform so well that any mistakes do not impact your chances of winning. I find the frustrating area for some clubs is more that they have not played to their best, their frustrated with their own performance and the umpiring just compounds it. Anyone that blames umpires for winning or losing games is actually not look at the source and will waste a lot of time and energy in that area.

Diggers list must make the GF, depth best in the competition and have the best midfield, lets be frank and I am sure Simsy knows it must win it when they get there.

 

[barfly]

Yes Diggers have a good list but those who say they just win are going a bit early in my opinion.Weather and injuries can play a big part as well as other teams hitting form at the right time such as August,September as opposed to May.Wouldnt write off Riddell, Macedon,Rupo or even Broadford.

 

[Doona2]

Disappointing to read the annual Umpire based posts.

Games of footy go for a bout 100 minutes, and players/coaches from both teams will always make a lot more mistakes over that time than the Umps.

dunno what's happened to this once great thread, but for some reason there appears a lack of enthusiasm about the season at present

 

[Lemms]

No he did not

The footage shows that the umpire's hand is clearly in the air at the time and is in the act of bringing the player behind his mark, when Way plays on. Correct decision I would suggest.

 

[Brady3712]

The footage shows that the umpire's hand is clearly in the air at the time and is in the act of bringing the player behind his mark, when Way plays on. Correct decision I would suggest.

I understand both sides here. In the flow of the game play on looks to be the right call, but under definition to be called back is an ok call
Romsey guys would be spewing, they almost pinched it after it looks on tape like Rupo had control of the day.

My question would be why there was no sweeper or negative running winger at the center bounce for rupo.. young guys all got sucked to the ball

 

[Brady3712]

Disappointing to read the annual Umpire based posts.

Games of footy go for a bout 100 minutes, and players/coaches from both teams will always make a lot more mistakes over that time than the Umps.

dunno what's happened to this once great thread, but for some reason there appears a lack of enthusiasm about the season at present

I think guys are so passionate about their clubs they sometimes stop looking at the game or a decision objectively and get a bit defensive if questioned otherwise.
The season is in great shape IMO, some clubs are really on the improve - Sleight at Woodend has his guys competing most weeks, Dixon at Sunbury has his guys up and about seemingly out of nowhere, Melton play a competitive brand of football, Wallan are on the up as well. Never count out broadford either, they were very solid last year and have added to that list and sideline.

Teams like rupo, diggers, macedon & riddell have to come to play every week which I think is great for the comp. Some of the coaches that this league boasts have some really tactical gameplans & styles from what Ive seen which is a credit to them & players for being able to adapt.
You seem pretty in the know doona, what are your thoughts?

 

[Doona2]

I think guys are so passionate about their clubs they sometimes stop looking at the game or a decision objectively and get a bit defensive if questioned otherwise.
The season is in great shape IMO, some clubs are really on the improve - Sleight at Woodend has his guys competing most weeks, Dixon at Sunbury has his guys up and about seemingly out of nowhere, Melton play a competitive brand of football, Wallan are on the up as well. Never count out broadford either, they were very solid last year and have added to that list and sideline.

Teams like rupo, diggers, macedon & riddell have to come to play every week which I think is great for the comp. Some of the coaches that this league boasts have some really tactical gameplans & styles from what Ive seen which is a credit to them & players for being able to adapt.
You seem pretty in the know doona, what are your thoughts?

I've seen Broadford play a half vs Riddell and Wallan for a half so I'm not really in the position yet to pass informative comment.

Hard to go past Diggers list, surely if they can't win it this year with the current line-up then the mould would need to be broken and start again. As far as the other place in the season decided goes .... a real raffle at this point.

 

[EdEbear]

Was down at lancefield park broadford looked solid across the ground minus Webb holland and piccione all unavailable.
when the weather set in lancefield scrapt it out Grenville looked good for his first run kicked 4 I believe and Rhys smith played a blinder as he always does still dont get how this bloke isn't one of the first picked for inter league he has it all but broadford controlled the contest and kept lancefield at arms length in wet conditions
Game was played in good spirits but was massively over umpired ....

Where did they get Grenville from?

 

[Turbos mail]

Where did they get Grenville from?

Is he the big ruck/forward that played at Albion a few years back?

I also see Joel West looking to move to Rupo. Good get if they can land him. Will test Phillpot for best ruck in comp.. Can play as a key position as well.