RDFL Thread 2009 (Part 2)

[Doona2]

Umpire's do the best job possible.

Just rember it's the RDFL not the AFL.

I dont think from our club's perspective we've been critical of any of the umpires this season as lets be honest football sides make plenty more mistakes than the officials across 100 mins of play that in some way effect the outcome. Most seem like pretty good blokes who call it as they see it from where they're positioned (at times different to us) and let the games flow, and are up for a chat after the game which is great. Have only consistantly seen one that for me is like that good old fashioned cricket umpy who thinks if things are quiet has to make a decision just to impose himself on the contest . . . . but from all reports you lads have had to put up with this for a lot longer than us

We all need our little outlets on a weekend, some work on committee's, some play, some coach, some spectate, some umpire - all vital ingredients to community based sport IMO.

 

[blues12]

Umpire's do the best job possible.

Just rember it's the RDFL not the AFL.

yes they do, but remember head contact is head contact and it is illegal in our game. ducked play on is not a good enough call.

 

[matt_nicholls]

yes they do, but remember head contact is head contact and it is illegal in our game. ducked play on is not a good enough call.

Yes it is.

I'm sick of seeing players deliberately drive their heads into opponents while picking up the ball and getting free kicks.

If you duck your head you're inciting contact. If the contact by the opponent is deliberate, then it's a free. If the contact is unavoidable due to player with ball ducking his head, then play on.

Simon Choate is a master at this, and Joel Selwood is his apprentice.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Yes it is.

I'm sick of seeing players deliberately drive their heads into opponents while picking up the ball and getting free kicks.

If you duck your head you're inciting contact. If the contact by the opponent is deliberate, then it's a free. If the contact is unavoidable due to player with ball ducking his head, then play on.

Simon Choate is a master at this, and Joel Selwood is his apprentice.

A majority of high contact is because a player has bent to pick up the ball, the duty of care is on the tackler not to make contact with the head, if a player wants to risk a serious injury by "driving" thier head in to win a free, so be it, the tackler is still responsible for the duty of care. If a player is standing upright with the ball and then duck the head, then every right given for a play on call, but this is a rare occurance as most try to stand tall in a tackle these days.. The head is off limits, the person making the secondary play at the ball, and lets face it, they are second to the ball, should be the person with duty of care, not the first person there...

 

[Itsmyshow]

Umpire's do the best job possible.

Just rember it's the RDFL not the AFL.

I agree completely.. What I want to see is no debate rule. Contact with the head is illegal and a free kick, before someone gets seriously hurt...

It shouldn't be tough to police, if there is contact above the shoulder, its a free kick. Protect the player making a play at the ball...

 

[matt_nicholls]

A majority of high contact is because a player has bent to pick up the ball, the duty of care is on the tackler not to make contact with the head, if a player wants to risk a serious injury by "driving" thier head in to win a free, so be it, the tackler is still responsible for the duty of care. If a player is standing upright with the ball and then duck the head, then every right given for a play on call, but this is a rare occurance as most try to stand tall in a tackle these days.. The head is off limits, the person making the secondary play at the ball, and lets face it, they are second to the ball, should be the person with duty of care, not the first person there...

The head is off limits, I agree. But players shouldn't use the rule to manipulate umpires into paying free kicks. You see it in the AFL all the time now where players pick the ball up, see they are going to get tackled and "fall" into their opponents legs, hands etc. In my view it's "ducked your head, play on".

 

[Itsmyshow]

The head is off limits, I agree. But players shouldn't use the rule to manipulate umpires into paying free kicks. You see it in the AFL all the time now where players pick the ball up, see they are going to get tackled and "fall" into their opponents legs, hands etc. In my view it's "ducked your head, play on".

If they want to risk a career ender, then that is thier choice, but the onus has to be on the Tackler.. IMO...

 

[Sprechen]

Now WHO would you say was getting personal here champ ????

Gave you plenty of chances to be civillised & rational, guess there really is something not quite right going on with this issue & you are just trying to defend a very very poor & messy decision......... along with others that have self interest here & something to hide !

ok, first of all im not defending any decisions etc, i have no self interest or something to hide, and along with spurt i too am enjoying our discussion but as was written before if its true there is a woodend stalwart on the board how can the other members not see that its not fair the way woodends draw has panned out? And in the end if there is no big rain leading up to the final at GG then there will really be no problem, except that most people just are not happy with woodend hosting a final and i can appreciate that but really, maybe broadford should have been given one as a welcome present??

 

[HOTPIES20]

100% agree good call matt

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Sunbury have 2 grounds on one reserve that are in good condition, perhaps they could host a double header similar to Melton last year but a little more central.
I believe those clubs that missed did not tender for a final

Bloody good idea, would take out the "Clash" final in the first week.

May just be to pragmatic though for those troglodytes who are doing everything they can to deflect attention on this issue !

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

ok, first of all im not defending any decisions etc, i have no self interest or something to hide, and along with spurt i too am enjoying our discussion but as was written before if its true there is a woodend stalwart on the board how can the other members not see that its not fair the way woodends draw has panned out? And in the end if there is no big rain leading up to the final at GG then there will really be no problem, except that most people just are not happy with woodend hosting a final and i can appreciate that but really, maybe broadford should have been given one as a welcome present??

Now there you go, that wasn't to hard now was it ?

I really do hope for Woodends sake it doesn't rain & their ground holds up & they make a quid outa the day,......... BUT it is a huge gamble. Even in 07 you could feel the water just below the surface.... like as if a pipe had burst.

If they could hold the final in March or April you wont find a better surface. But we cant. I am afraid this time of year Gilbert Gordon is my 12th preference ground to host a final. Its just to important to take a gamble with.

 

[dwyane WADE show]

Just on your first point, it doesn't matter how much grass you have on top, it's what is underneath that matters. The type of soil at Romsey and Lancefield drains exceptionally well.

Secondly, the trees at Lancefield still allow for some cover and the ground isn't in a wind belt like Rockbank, Diggers Rest, Melton, Kilmore, Wallan etc.

It can get very windy at Romsey, too, but nowhere near as bad as some of the other venues.

Yeah true about wallan being a wind belt. Also i dont think wallan tendered for a final this year.
The worst thing they ever did at wallan was cut down all those massive pine trees that surrounded the whole ground. That used to protect the ground from most of the wind, plus it used to be a really nice looking ground with all those trees and gave it a lot better atmosphere. I'm sure most would agree. They should of at least replaced the old pines with planting new ones!

 

[Brick_Davis]

Sunbury have 2 grounds on one reserve that are in good condition, perhaps they could host a double header similar to Melton last year but a little more central.
I believe those clubs that missed did not tender for a final

Boardman should not host home and away games let alone finals...

 

[blues12]

Boardman should not host home and away games let alone finals...

ease up pal, and why is that?

 

[Umpire22]

yes they do, but remember head contact is head contact and it is illegal in our game. ducked play on is not a good enough call.

Boys, if a player is ducking whilst gathering the ball and is takled high, absolutely no dispute that is high and a free kick should be given 100% of the time - never should the "ducked into it" be called.

but if a player has time to gather look up and choose to duck back into the tackle and high contact is made this is where play on is called. Yes the head is sacred, and it's absolutely in the spirit of the laws that the first bloke to the ball should be protected but it's actively going to encourage players to duck into tackles if the latter example was to be paid, and in turn probably lead to more injuries.

 

[onlyintwos]

why not just pick the three best surfaces to play the finals on, lock them in and rotate the clubs to host the days event,this way the league gets the gate and the clubs get an even share of catering profits..eg 1st week at romsey hosted by rockbank sunday at lancefield hosted romsey etc etc etc

 

[dirkdiggler69]

why not just pick the three best surfaces to play the finals on, lock them in and rotate the clubs to host the days event,this way the league gets the gate and the clubs get an even share of catering profits..eg 1st week at romsey hosted by rockbank sunday at lancefield hosted romsey etc etc etc

think i may have already suggested that , surely its the best way to go , that way all clubs will see some $$$$$$ from finals matches

 

[bromanbomber]

think i may have already suggested that , surely its the best way to go , that way all clubs will see some $$$$$$ from finals matches

unfortunately for some clubs its left up to too few to do all the work, which is half the reason why some clubs didn't put in a tender for a final.
agree with the comments about Kilmore, Wallan and Romsey being in windbelts. Doesn't help with Kilmores ground being purched at the top of a hill. But I'd still prefer to play on those grounds than Woodend any day.

 

[know_a_thing_or_2]

Umpire's do the best job possible.

Just rember it's the RDFL not the AFL.

I'm well aware of that mate, but if they put the whistle to their mouth and then not blow it, clearly they saw the free kick and decided not to pay it. That's what sh*ts me.

 

[know_a_thing_or_2]

why not just pick the three best surfaces to play the finals on, lock them in and rotate the clubs to host the days event,this way the league gets the gate and the clubs get an even share of catering profits..eg 1st week at romsey hosted by rockbank sunday at lancefield hosted romsey etc etc etc

think i may have already suggested that , surely its the best way to go , that way all clubs will see some $$$$$$ from finals matches

The most sensible thing anyone has said on the subject so far.

I'm sure more volunteers would put their hand up to help their clubs make $ through hosting a final. I would, my club needs all the $ it can get.

 

[Nothing but Facts]

Saw a ripping game of footy over at Romsey on weekend. Thought the hawks prob should have won. Were a long way off redbacks early in last quarter but came sailing home with aid of 5 goal wind. Got within a point but then stopped. Conellan and 48 for romsey were best on. Quite an ordinary game due to wind but still believe both teams can cause a nuisance in finals series.

IMO Macedon have become the team to beat. They seem to be putting it all together at the right time and they were mighty impressive against Centrals 2 weeks ago. I know they have lost the Mcarthurs but i also noticed their 2 best players on weekend were Hancock & James, both senior premiership players with gisborne not so long ago. Havent they snuck them into the system nicely? Will be a good indicator of how well they are going this week against Diggers, a team that has had wood on them for long time. Also been told Mcarthurs could be back.... on about GF day! Would they be worth the risk if available?

 

[Itsmyshow]

I like the guy, he is a quality footballer and a great bloke, but there is no way Ruffell kicked 5 goals on the weekend!!!!

I honestly hope it was an oversight on the behalf of the person entering the sheet and not a fix on in changing the possible course of league history.... I am sure Ruffell would love to win the medal on his own ability rather than with goals that are not his...

 

[Aker Magic]

I like the guy, he is a quality footballer and a great bloke, but there is no way Ruffell kicked 5 goals on the weekend!!!!

I honestly hope it was an oversight on the behalf of the person entering the sheet and not a fix on in changing the possible course of league history.... I am sure Ruffell would love to win the medal on his own ability rather than with goals that are not his...

What's this......a touch of Mirboo North coming to Lancefield????

 

[dirkdiggler69]

Saw a ripping game of footy over at Romsey on weekend. Thought the hawks prob should have won. Were a long way off redbacks early in last quarter but came sailing home with aid of 5 goal wind. Got within a point but then stopped. Conellan and 48 for romsey were best on. Quite an ordinary game due to wind but still believe both teams can cause a nuisance in finals series.

IMO Macedon have become the team to beat. They seem to be putting it all together at the right time and they were mighty impressive against Centrals 2 weeks ago. I know they have lost the Mcarthurs but i also noticed their 2 best players on weekend were Hancock & James, both senior premiership players with gisborne not so long ago. Havent they snuck them into the system nicely? Will be a good indicator of how well they are going this week against Diggers, a team that has had wood on them for long time. Also been told Mcarthurs could be back.... on about GF day! Would they be worth the risk if available?

how many games has hancock played? Was this his first? Two very handy players to come into the side , james will be very very handy to have fit and firing. If the mcarthurs are back i would play them , they are guns

 

[matt_nicholls]

how many games has hancock played? Was this his first? Two very handy players to come into the side , james will be very very handy to have fit and firing. If the mcarthurs are back i would play them , they are guns

Hancock has played two games, is an absolute gun who loves going in for the hard ball.

Also has pretty decent skills.

I think TBR is out, but TBR's brother is playing in the finals.

Get on the Cats for the flag!