Re-do the 2008 draft (Part 2)

[anf06]

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One game in the last two months he's actually got the ball, while noone was following him.

Doesn't make him a superstar.

hahahahahaha

Nick-Nat has 10 possessions and gets best on ground honours and requests from half of West Coast supporters to have their children.

 

[Patron]

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Contested possesions include loose ball gets hill has no inside game he cant win the ball himself

 

[E Shed]

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Contested possesions include loose ball gets hill has no inside game he cant win the ball himself

It's astonishing people believe this shit. One person says it in ignorance and others parrot it. Kids a star, build a bridge.
Oh and contested possessions don't include loose ball gets.

 

[greenred]

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He can't position himself to find the ball. He can't get the ball himself.

Needs the ball to be specifically sent to him.

I'd think that's a problem if your team needs someone to step up, and he can't get the ball because he doesn't know how.

Isn't the discussion on Hill? You have just described Naitanui to a T.

 

[ScreaM.]

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So when Hill can't break a tag he is developing. But when Rich can't break one he is shit.

Interesting

 

[wceblog]

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Oh and contested possessions don't include loose ball gets.

No, Patronij1 is right (not referring to Hill having no inside game) - they do include loose ball gets (as well as free kicks for and contested marks) - it says so in the AFL Prospectus.

 

[Patron]

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It's astonishing people believe this shit. One person says it in ignorance and others parrot it. Kids a star, build a bridge.
Oh and contested possessions don't include loose ball gets.

Shows how smart you are laugh at u. loose ball gets are contested possessions you fool look it up and apologize for ur freo like intelligence.

Face it hill aint got an inside game he is an outside player stop trying to pretend that he can play inside. all freo supporters do it. I dont see what the big deal is i can admit priddis in an inside player with no outside game. it aint mean he's a bad player it just means there's something he cant do. his outside game is awesome when he's on. 3 clearances is not much imo for a midfielder.

The biggest problem with hill is that he is inconsistent and probably always will be during a game and between games. its his nature he is a burst player.
BTW 2 thirds of hills possessions this year were uncontested. and although i haven't seen the stats for it im sure a large number of his contested possies would have been loose ball gets (considering he led freo in this last year). would love to see how many Hard ball gets the kid has wouldn't think there would be many.
On a side note this is the eagles best draft ever. Shuey at pick 18 will prove to be the best pick/best value pick in the draft he will be an absolute gun give it 2 years. Next year Nic nat will start showing us the player he will eventually be but wouldn't expect too much from him, till his 4th and 5th years when cox leaves. And swift will eventually get there.
Also hills de is less than Mcphee's for somebody who's meant to be so good thats surprising isnt it?

 

[Patron]

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Isn't the discussion on Hill? You have just described Naitanui to a T.

What are you talking about? nic nat only has an inside game thats his problem. all he does is win the hard ball. needs to learn where to go to get the cheapies

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

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Hill can win the ball inside. Watch last nights game again for his contested work.

 

[Patron]

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Hill can win the ball inside. Watch last nights game again for his contested work.

He cant and neither can jetta. it aint really a surpise when you weigh 75 odd kilos. Dont know why freo supporters are so obsesses with this.

Nic nat has no outside game there i said it. its not hard why cant you guys just do the same?

 

[the doc]

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Lewigie and Patronij1, you can bang on for as much as you like but you are not getting much traction.

Hill has a complete came. I do not want to legitimise Rob Walls but he summed it up with saying there is no aspect of the game where he can not excell. I must admit I would like to see him break a tag better but hey there are no too many 2nd year players that get the best tag each week and deal with it well.

There is no point comparing him to NN, who will become good in his own right, or Rich or has already proved he is. Hill is a differnt leahue and this stage and I am stoked the club backed their judgement. Scary thing is he will get bigger and better.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

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What are you talking about? nic nat only has an inside game thats his problem. all he does is win the hard ball. needs to learn where to go to get the cheapies

well he did get 5 uncontested possessions but i see what you mean, but then according to you that include loose balls gets, frees for and possessions from contested marks... so take away at least 5 of those contested possessions (4 frees four and 1 contested mark) and probably another 3-4 for loose ball gets... so REALLLLY he should only be credited with 3 or so contested possessions.... on the other hand Hill got no frees for and 2 contested marks, probably 3 or so loose ball gets so give him 7 contested possessions... whatever i don't care, hill had a very good contested game last night, you are talking completely out of your arse, absolutely zero credibility as far as i am concerned if you continue to argue this

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

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He cant and neither can jetta. it aint really a surpise when you weigh 75 odd kilos. Dont know why freo supporters are so obsesses with this.

Nic nat has no outside game there i said it. its not hard why cant you guys just do the same?

I think it's arrogant to presume you know better about another clubs player, than its own supporters, who see the full game, each week.

 

[Patron]

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I think it's arrogant to presume you know better about another clubs player, than its own supporters, who see the full game, each week.

i also see the full game every week. sometimes rewatch it aswell as i record all free to air afl games. i am also a stats freak and obsess about everything afl. yer so i should trust one of your supporters who didnt know that loose ball gets where contested possessions? if you watch the game the kid didnt exactly get in and under and win the hard ball. he is not an inside player and has no inside game. lets not forget that normally he gets even less contested ball than he did that game. as a whole this whole year 2/3's of his possies where uncontested. he is too skinny and doesnt have the selwood attitude to be a hard ball winner. its just not the type of player he is. i just dont understand why freo supporters cant admit this and are so set that he's an inside player.
Fyfe is a predominantly outside player who wins the hard ball a bit.
Hill is not he is purely outside get over it its not a big deal priddis is inside.

 

[greenred]

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What are you talking about? nic nat only has an inside game thats his problem. all he does is win the hard ball. needs to learn where to go to get the cheapies

Nic Nat can only find the ball when he's in a ruck contest and it's bounced right on his head.

In every other aspect of the game:

He can't position himself to find the ball. He can't get the ball himself.

Needs the ball specifically sent to him.

Hill doesn't play inside because he doesn't need to. What he does do though is create space for his teammates and assists with shepherds and tackles whenever he can. He also reads the play very well.

He can't position himself to find the ball. He can't get the ball himself.

Needs the ball to be specifically sent to him.

I'd think that's a problem if your team needs someone to step up, and he can't get the ball because he doesn't know how.

 

[E Shed]

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Shows how smart you are laugh at u. loose ball gets are contested possessions you fool look it up and apologize for ur freo like intelligence.

Bugger me you are right. I do apologise. i'm not a dream teamer or stats freak so I've never had reason to take an interest. Makes a certain sort of sense if you consider the ball is technically in dispute when someone picks a loose ball. I just presumed contested meant, well, contested. Learn something new every day.

Face it hill aint got an inside game he is an outside player stop trying to pretend that he can play inside. all freo supporters do it. I dont see what the big deal is i can admit priddis in an inside player with no outside game. it aint mean he's a bad player it just means there's something he cant do. his outside game is awesome when he's on. 3 clearances is not much imo for a midfielder.

Being predominantly outside is different from having no inside game. He does get the ball from packs but yes it's not his strength (certainly at his current playing weight( and yes who cares when you can make 80M a play getting the ball to him.

The biggest problem with hill is that he is inconsistent and probably always will be during a game and between games. its his nature he is a burst player.
BTW 2 thirds of hills possessions this year were uncontested. and although i haven't seen the stats for it im sure a large number of his contested possies would have been loose ball gets (considering he led freo in this last year). would love to see how many Hard ball gets the kid has wouldn't think there would be many.

Hardly surprising he's inconsistent and his stage of development. I believe he has the determination and will to become more consistent. His best games have been solid 4 quarter 30+ possie games.

On a side note this is the eagles best draft ever. Shuey at pick 18 will prove to be the best pick/best value pick in the draft he will be an absolute gun give it 2 years. Next year Nic nat will start showing us the player he will eventually be but wouldn't expect too much from him, till his 4th and 5th years when cox leaves. And swift will eventually get there.

Shuey will be very good. Swift maybe, seen some good signs and some bad signs. Most worrying he seems to lack awareness at the tempo of AFL but he breaks away from packs nicely and always seems to be able to get his arms free in a tackle.
NicNat I really hope succeeds. Seems a really decent kid and a determined athlete. If nothing else he'll be a terrific Ruck & clearance player. Whether he'll be the most amazing player the game has ever seen like some think, time will tell. I'll never forget his tackle on Reid in the WAFL Grand Final a couple of years back.

Sorry I got my facts wrong, I just get frustrated at the constant need to run other clubs players down in favour of our own that seems to get worse all the time on Big Footy. Hilly seems a real humble hard working kid with a heap of talent that any football purist would enjoy watching. Play on.

 

[Patron]

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Bugger me you are right. I do apologise. i'm not a dream teamer or stats freak so I've never had reason to take an interest. Makes a certain sort of sense if you consider the ball is technically in dispute when someone picks a loose ball. I just presumed contested meant, well, contested. Learn something new every day.



Being predominantly outside is different from having no inside game. He does get the ball from packs but yes it's not his strength (certainly at his current playing weight( and yes who cares when you can make 80M a play getting the ball to him.



Hardly surprising he's inconsistent and his stage of development. I believe he has the determination and will to become more consistent. His best games have been solid 4 quarter 30+ possie games.



Shuey will be very good. Swift maybe, seen some good signs and some bad signs. Most worrying he seems to lack awareness at the tempo of AFL but he breaks away from packs nicely and always seems to be able to get his arms free in a tackle.
NicNat I really hope succeeds. Seems a really decent kid and a determined athlete. If nothing else he'll be a terrific Ruck & clearance player. Whether he'll be the most amazing player the game has ever seen like some think, time will tell. I'll never forget his tackle on Reid in the WAFL Grand Final a couple of years back.

Sorry I got my facts wrong, I just get frustrated at the constant need to run other clubs players down in favour of our own that seems to get worse all the time on Big Footy. Hilly seems a real humble hard working kid with a heap of talent that any football purist would enjoy watching. Play on.

Good post i agree with everything you said in reply to all my comments. nice to see some realism. Swift is starting to concern me a little bit as is masten and i suspect palmer for you guys (thats the problem with injuries). Sorry if i come off as overly negative for hill he's just got so much he can still improve on (like naitanui) but both their upsides are epic.
When it comes down to it i would pick hill over anyone else in this draft to come to the eagles who aint already there (serious man crush on shuey biggest lad). we would love an outside mid with that much pace and ability to break the lines. he's exactly what we need to complement our 1 million inside mids.

 

[Patron]

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Nic Nat can only find the ball when he's in a ruck contest and it's bounced right on his head.

In every other aspect of the game:

He can't position himself to find the ball. He can't get the ball himself.

Needs the ball specifically sent to him.

Hill doesn't play inside because he doesn't need to. What he does do though is create space for his teammates and assists with shepherds and tackles whenever he can. He also reads the play very well.

Nic can find the ball at the contests really well especially for a big man he has a great inside game.
Outside of the contests yer he sucks needs to work on it big time but should hopefully come in time.
The ball doesn't get given to him ever. because he cant kick well and doesnt get free enough/doesnt know where to run. The team doesn't have the confidence to dish the ball off to him there have been a few occasions where they could probably use him every now and then but dont.

Hill reads the play ohk not well due to his inexperience. His biggest problem is his tank which is why he struggles big time when he is tagged. Should develop it in time meaning he racks up more possies and should become more consistent. he should be able to break tags at contests as he's quick but during play he can struggle coz he cant run his opponents into the ground. once he gets to 80kg's will be able to hold his own in contests and be able to hold more tackles.

 

[E Shed]

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Good post i agree with everything you said in reply to all my comments. nice to see some realism. Swift is starting to concern me a little bit as is masten and i suspect palmer for you guys (thats the problem with injuries). Sorry if i come off as overly negative for hill he's just got so much he can still improve on (like naitanui) but both their upsides are epic.
When it comes down to it i would pick hill over anyone else in this draft to come to the eagles who aint already there (serious man crush on shuey biggest lad). we would love an outside mid with that much pace and ability to break the lines. he's exactly what we need to complement our 1 million inside mids.

Cheers mate. I still have reasonably high hopes for both Palmer and Masten to make it. Masten reminds me of a border collie type player. Just run run run all day and accumulate. He's never been fit enough for long enough to get the fitness base he needs to play the kind of game he does and when he's on the park he's inexplicably stationed at half forward. He's never going to be a Judd / Ablett type but I think he will play good footy.
We all saw what Palmer is capable of in his first year. After all the scrutiny on his kicking he seemed to lose confidence and then of course he did his knee. Half a dozen games in to next year, providing he gets an uninterrupted pre-season we will start to get an idea if he's going to be able to get himself up the the level he set in year 1
They have both sure seen the ups and downs of AFL since being elite juniors. It's a tough road being a professional footballer which is why we can't really call players elite till they have proven themselves over a number of years. Someone like Brent Harvey you can call a champion and no one will contradict you, with these kids it's all just hypothetical and what if till we see how they go over the journey.
I know I wouldn't want us to change our first 3 picks in 2008 and sounds like you are happy too so it's all good.

 

[Slattery_20]

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Hill looks a lot like a kid tailing off a bit towards the end of a fairly long, hard season. He'll come back fitter & stronger after next pre-season & will be gold.

 

[Greg Brady]

Freo killed this draft!!! Good on 'em, they've really picked up their game of late in terms of recruiting. Hill, Ballantyne, Suban, Clarke, Rulles, Walters, Bukevoz?? and Hall.

Not sure about the last two but big fan of what the others have shown. My smokey - Sonny Walters to be top 10 of this draft. This kid will be insane, arguably best footskills from this draft - comparable to both Rich and Hill from what i've seen.

:club:

 

[Lach72]

Bucovaz was coming along ok, but has suffered with injury

 

[docker_champ29]

Freo killed this draft!!! Good on 'em, they've really picked up their game of late in terms of recruiting. Hill, Ballantyne, Suban, Clarke, Rulles, Walters, Bukevoz?? and Hall.

Not sure about the last two but big fan of what the others have shown. My smokey - Sonny Walters to be top 10 of this draft. This kid will be insane, arguably best footskills from this draft - comparable to both Rich and Hill from what i've seen.

:club:

Broughton, DeBoer, Pearce and Sibosado are pretty handy as well.

 

[mi_hrvati]

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Nah, Judd would easily be number one. I think some people forget just how good he was pre-2007.

problem is footy isnt about 3-4 seasons, its about a career. Even though at his best judd was probs the best, over their whole career I would argue Ablett and Hodge would be of more value. Judd is on a downward slope whereas the other 2 are at their best (ablett) or still have development left in them (hodge).

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

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problem is footy isnt about 3-4 seasons, its about a career. Even though at his best judd was probs the best, over their whole career I would argue Ablett and Hodge would be of more value. Judd is on a downward slope whereas the other 2 are at their best (ablett) or still have development left in them (hodge).

you are right in your original message... when Judd was dominating hodge and ablett were playing no better then decently and now when Judd is still having great seasons Ablett and Hodge are dominating (Judd is still dominating in many games as well) Judd has been the better player, and should still claim the number one pick, ablett @ 2, Hodge @ 3