Re-do the 2008 draft (Part 2)

[robertg22]

before the finals series collingwood supporters were saying how beams should be the number one im sorry but there is no way spudbottom is considered as the best player in the 08 draft get over yourself collingwood

Sidemuppet and Spudbottom.. you're getting very creative. Guess it just hurts having taken a supremely overrated athlete (note: not footballer) at pick 2. Sidebottom (that's his name BTW) is a footballer, pure and simple. And a very bloody good one at that.

 

[WCE_phil]

Collingwood isn't hated due to their success, their colours or their football club. It's hated because of their w***er supporters.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Quite simply, if a Hill or a Rich played 2 Grand Finals as immense as Sidebottom just did, the debate wouldn't even be there. Sidebottom's reputation suffers here b/c he plays for the most hated side in the AFL & neutrals cannot give the credit where it's due.

Sidebottom has shown more than Bartel at the same age & is a big chance to be a better player over their respective careers. Haters going to hate.

poor excuse; 'they hate us so they don't rate our players as much as we do'

... Sidebottom being in a quality team certainly helps his performances, i don't think that can be refuted and the fact that a lot of top picks were KPF's means their worth hasn't and won't be completely seen for another year at the least

 

[Patron]

Watts has done crap all so far and he was the no1 pick. ATM you would probably say he has been a bit of a fail as a no1 (obviously harsh considering he's a skinny KPF). That being the case if i was given the choice to take watts or sidebottom i would still choose watts hands down on potential. i definitely expect watts to be the better more valuable player.

Then if you gave me the choice to take hill or sidebottom. Well i think every non collingwood supporter could figure out what that choice would be.

Sidebottoms good. but best player in the 08 draft? Thats Loltastic.

 

[robertg22]

Is he better than Shuey?

 

[lewigie]

Is he better than Shuey?

Nope.

It's easy to play well when your side is dominating. Sidebottom, Beams, etc, can play back up roles to your major mids, eg Swan, Pendles, etc. Works pretty well.

But I'm sure if you threw other players in the Collingwood team during that grand final - Hill, Rich, Shuey, Swift, Ziebell, other gun midfielders etc, they would perform at a near level.

 

[robertg22]

You realise Sidebottom actually played 90% of the year as a forward pocket?

 

[anf06]

1. Hill
2. Hurley
3. Hannebary
4. Sidebottom
5. Rich
6. Anthony
7. Rockliff
8. Ziebell
9. Garlett
10. Beams
11. Broughton
12. Watts
13. NicNat
14. Suban
15. Shuey
16. Roughead

At the current stage. I don't believe it will look much like this a couple of years down the track, however.

People have missed a few names deeper in the draft...

 

[robertg22]

1. Hill
2. Hurley
3. Hannebary
4. Sidebottom
5. Rich
6. Anthony
7. Rockliff
8. Ziebell
9. Garlett
10. Beams
11. Broughton
12. Watts
13. NicNat
14. Suban
15. Shuey
16. Roughead

At the current stage. I don't believe it will look much like this a couple of years down the track, however.

People have missed a few names deeper in the draft...

Good list. Geez looking at that indicates Freo really nailed that draft. Well done Dockers.

 

[Lach72]

Good list. Geez looking at that indicates Freo really nailed that draft. Well done Dockers.

Missed Ballantyne and Walters

 

[robertg22]

Missed Ballantyne and Walters

I hate Ballantyne for obvious reasons but I think Walters will be a jet. He is a beautiful kick - needs to add weight but he'll get there.

 

[Latro]

Ballantyne is much better than Suban.

 

[lewigie]

You realise Sidebottom actually played 90% of the year as a forward pocket?

Supports my point. He never has to play major roles within the midfield.

I'm just saying, a bit premature to say he is the best player out of the 2008 draft.

 

[docker_champ29]

Ballantyne is much better than Suban.

Suban has a lot more potential thatn people think. But yes, Ballantyne is an absolute A-Grade player.

 

[Patron]

1. Hill
2. Hurley
3. Hannebary
4. Sidebottom
5. Rich
6. Anthony
7. Rockliff
8. Ziebell
9. Garlett
10. Beams
11. Broughton
12. Watts
13. NicNat
14. Suban
15. Shuey
16. Roughead

At the current stage. I don't believe it will look much like this a couple of years down the track, however.

People have missed a few names deeper in the draft...

Is this on performance? Because seriously dont know how watts can be ahead of NN on performance.

 

[Patron]

Is he better than Shuey?

Interesting question.
Would i trade shuey for sidebottom. No.

If Shuey went home to vic would i expect to get given the equivalent of side-bottom as exchange no.

Shuey isnt worth much because he's had some terrible luck with injuries etc so hasn't really been able to get on he pitch.

But if you asked any wce supporter if their was anyone in this draft they would swap for shuey the answer would probably be no (that includes hill). Every wce supporter knows shuey is going to be a champion all he has to do is get onto the park consistently.

I would rather give up lecras than shuey i reckon.

 

[Shinbones]

...so?

The fact is Steele is 19 and has performed on the big stage numerous times.

Just cause he is a Collingwood player you can't hide from the fact that in the 7 finals he has played he has starred in 4 of them, including 2 best on grounds.

On exposed form he would be the number one selection imo, based largely on the fact he stands up when needed!

The fact is most of the others havent played finals so it's hard to Rate them in big games.

 

[Slattery_20]

David Calthorpe had played pretty well in 2 finals by the time he was 20... just sayin'...

 

[ringo200]

The whole "he only looks good because he plays in good team" argument is about as much as a myth as "nobody rates our players cause everyone hates us."

It might be true to an extent but posters here seem to be using it to completely write off anything players in good teams achieve and talk up players from bottom teams that haven't shown nearly as much. I doubt there would be too many neutral supporters that would think too hard about taking Sidebottom over Shuey for instance.

Sidebottom's performances in both GF's were extremely impressive. On a smaller scale but it reminded me a bit of the way a young Andrew McLeod introduced himself to the AFL world through his finals performances.

Now he needs to start playing like that consistantly through the H & A season as well.

 

[The Fact]

Interesting question.
Would i trade shuey for sidebottom. No.

If Shuey went home to vic would i expect to get given the equivalent of side-bottom as exchange no.

Shuey isnt worth much because he's had some terrible luck with injuries etc so hasn't really been able to get on he pitch.

But if you asked any wce supporter if their was anyone in this draft they would swap for shuey the answer would probably be no (that includes hill). Every wce supporter knows shuey is going to be a champion all he has to do is get onto the park consistently.

I would rather give up lecras than shuey i reckon.

This whole shuey thing is becoming more urban legend than anything if u can't Realise hill or sidebottom is better than him your sick in the head

 

[the mighty T]

Interesting question.
Would i trade shuey for sidebottom. No.

If Shuey went home to vic would i expect to get given the equivalent of side-bottom as exchange no.

Shuey isnt worth much because he's had some terrible luck with injuries etc so hasn't really been able to get on he pitch.

But if you asked any wce supporter if their was anyone in this draft they would swap for shuey the answer would probably be no (that includes hill). Every wce supporter knows shuey is going to be a champion all he has to do is get onto the park consistently.

I would rather give up lecras than shuey i reckon.

Your taking the piss right...

On both of these points...

Bloke who nearly wins a norm smith and an AA small forward capable of kicking more than 50 goals a season arent as good as a bloke who hasnt gotten on the pitch...

please describe what logic has brought you to this conclusion

 

[WCE_phil]

Your taking the piss right...

On both of these points...

Bloke who nearly wins a norm smith and an AA small forward capable of kicking more than 50 goals a season arent as good as a bloke who hasnt gotten on the pitch...

please describe what logic has brought you to this conclusion

I wouldn't trade shuey for sidebottom. Thats not to say that sidebottom isn't a great young player because i think he is and he played very well on the weekend. I would love to have sidebottom at west coast but the whole process of losing shuey to do it just wouldn't be worth it. However i wouldn't be trading lecras for anyone.

Now obviously in this situation i'm not pretending to act on club preferences or on what is realistic from a trade situation. However it's just personal feeling as i'm sure patrons comments were as well. Situations like this are the views of club supporters rather than trading teams.

 

[Darkness Falls]

i agree with wce_phil

 

[Underdog]

This whole shuey thing is becoming more urban legend than anything if u can't Realise hill or sidebottom is better than him your sick in the head

Your taking the piss right...

On both of these points...

Bloke who nearly wins a norm smith and an AA small forward capable of kicking more than 50 goals a season arent as good as a bloke who hasnt gotten on the pitch...

please describe what logic has brought you to this conclusion

Players are drafted for a 12/13 year career.

The fact Shuey has struggled to get onto the park in his first few years because of injury (and only because of that) whilst Sidebottom has impressed, doesn't change how highly he is rated nor what he is expected to give the club over his career.

I'm not usually one to talk up our kids but ever since he arrived at our club he has stunned the coaches and supporters with his attitude, maturity, workrate and most of all, ability.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

sidebottom has shown more than shuey, but shuey has been unlucky with personal hardships and injuries.... IMO could be an explosive mid in the Judd mold but who knows... for mine sidebottom will end up being in the top 10 players from this draft, with this draft being filled with talent thats a good achievement....

I would still take the draftees in orginal order... simply because its their second year and judgements shouldn't be made especially with KPP's like Watts, Naitanui, Davis, Lynch, Cordy all being 1st round picks