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stemline said:
Would be the 500th Hawthorn player known to have passed.
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ThePope said:
515 players are listed on WikiData.
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I noticed Wikipedia has both Rod Horrocks and John McCashney with a DOD of July 8 2023, but AustralianFootball.com and the Season Guide obituaries page have 8/8/2023 for Horrocks.

Looking at this on a spreadsheet I use, AF.com have a DOD for 496 Hawthorn players. The recently-departed John Elward hasn't been added.

This chap is on that Wiki list, but didn't play VFL/AFL football for Hawthorn (so I'm guessing he's not included in stemline 's tally):
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There must be quite a few on the list you've produced who only played for Hawthorn (VFA), but presumably did play VFL football for another club. Gordon Munro (St Kilda) did that, as did Bill Walton (Collingwood).
 
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These 16 guys on that list didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn


Carkeek, Vernon
Gambetta, Billy
Gibb, Len
Gibb, Reg
Godfrey, Dick
Hurren, Frank
Lowell, Rupe
Marchbank, Bill
Marchbank, Jim
McCormick, John
Osborne, Bill
Phillips, Len
Rademacher, Arthur
Rudolph, George
Wade, Tommy
Walton, Bill

But that list is missing

Turnbull, Lindsay Wallace - DOD 22/11/2023

Which gets us back to a total of 500.
 
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stemline said:
These 16 guys on that list didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn


Which gets us back to a total of 500.
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Thanks for that. Wikidata/Wikipedia should always just reflect the truth, not be the setter of it. The "member of sports team" parameter is able to differentiate by league, and/or time, but those qualifiers aren't often used, and the queries I use don't account for it, so the VFA vs VFL is always going to be an issue. SANFL vs AFL for Port is a much bigger problem.

I started to update Horrocks from July to August, then I found this that says July.

Do you have any references to an obituary or cemetery record for Turnbull?
 
ThePope said:
Thanks for that. Wikidata/Wikipedia should always just reflect the truth, not be the setter of it. The "member of sports team" parameter is able to differentiate by league, and/or time, but those qualifiers aren't often used, and the queries I use don't account for it, so the VFA vs VFL is always going to be an issue. SANFL vs AFL for Port is a much bigger problem.

I started to update Horrocks from July to August, then I found this that says July.

Do you have any references to an obituary or cemetery record for Turnbull?
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That does make it look like the AFL has the wrong DOD, but was he really cremated more than a year after he died?!:
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Surely they mean 12 July 2023 for the Date of service?!

Edit: I note the issue of the DOD in the Season Guide being incorrect was raised here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/recent-deaths.1186497/page-29#post-82333716
 
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stemline said:
These 16 guys on that list didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn


Carkeek, Vernon
Gambetta, Billy
Gibb, Len
Gibb, Reg
Godfrey, Dick
Hurren, Frank
Lowell, Rupe
Marchbank, Bill
Marchbank, Jim
McCormick, John
Osborne, Bill
Phillips, Len
Rademacher, Arthur
Rudolph, George
Wade, Tommy
Walton, Bill

But that list is missing

Turnbull, Lindsay Wallace - DOD 22/11/2023

Which gets us back to a total of 500.
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Gordon Munro, who I mentioned earlier, is also on that Wiki list, but didn't play VFL/AFL for Hawthorn.
George Noonan as well.
 
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35Daicos said:
That does make it look like the AFL has the wrong DOD, but was he really cremated more than a year after he died?!:
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Surely they mean 12 July 2023 for the Date of service?!

Edit: I note the issue of the DOD in the Season Guide being incorrect was raised here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/recent-deaths.1186497/page-29#post-82333716
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There is nothing I can see in Ryerson, it may be that he had no next of kin or was estranged from them, so they may have had to wait 12 months? Is that a thing?

Curiously, upon googling his full name, Martin Bryant was charged with attempting to murder a man by that same name. The court transcript mentions his wife. Anyone know if it was him?
 
ThePope said:
There is nothing I can see in Ryerson, it may be that he had no next of kin or was estranged from them, so they may have had to wait 12 months? Is that a thing?

Curiously, upon googling his full name, Martin Bryant was charged with attempting to murder a man by that same name. The court transcript mentions his wife. Anyone know if it was him?
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Not sure! I think it's probably a mistake on the cemetery website. I couldn't find the Horrocks name on the list of 2024 services for the listed funeral directors.

That (possible Martin Bryant connection) got mentioned back on page 29 as well. It would be very surprising if it wasn't him! The Port Arthur chap did have a wife, at least, and this will be the marriage of the Hawthorn footballer:
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That should be Lois Elsie Parker.
 
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ThePope said:
Do you have any references to an obituary or cemetery record for Turnbull?
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No sorry, I probably got it from this...

Research - Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

Harry is definitely still going!: Resource - List thread - Inaccuracy in official records He's Collingwood's oldest living player. He is actually Henry Charles Paynter. This is a wonderful listen with Harry being interviewed earlier this month on his life story...
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com
 

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Just guessing - the Rob Dickson one could possibly be a time zone difference between Sth Africa and here?

We are 9 hours ahead. so might have been the 10th in SA but 11th here...?
 
stemline said:
Right yes...

And the list is missing Wally Nash (20/6/24) and the nefarious Alf Neeson.
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Neeson is on this list of people over 80 without a date of deaths. Some, obviously are still alive. Others, are not, but hard to find. Here are the Hawthorn over 90s:

wd:Q19975141Arch Robinson (VFA)1349 July 1890
wd:Q20679321Alf Neeson11015 June 1914
wd:Q21176272Jack Taylor1009 May 1924
wd:Q6113807Jack MacDonald9716 May 1927
wd:Q21176187Barry Griffiths9512 July 1929
wd:Q21176255Jim Rattray9522 August 1929
wd:Q21598099Peter Charleston9428 August 1930
wd:Q21598244Brian Leary9424 May 1930
wd:Q21598382Lindsay Turnbull949 October 1930
wd:Q18388160Dave Morgan9429 September 1930
wd:Q21598101Alf Chown9228 April 1932
wd:Q19662447John O'Mahony927 December 1931
wd:Q19662058Norm Maginness9129 April 1933
wd:Q21598076George Barton9023 August 1934
wd:Q21598136Don Douglas907 October 1934
wd:Q21598306Ian Pearson909 February 1934
wd:Q21598416Keith White9011 February 1934
 
ThePope said:
Neeson is on this list of people over 80 without a date of deaths. Some, obviously are still alive. Others, are not, but hard to find. Here are the Hawthorn over 90s:
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Alf Chown is on this list and having a look I dont see a death

I did see a bio of possibly a relative - even a son - who is back and forth to Hong Kong

Managing Director Alfred Chown Speaks with Alan Kohler | Energy Technologies

www.energytechnologies.com.au www.energytechnologies.com.au

The following 2 is what made me post this

Excerpt from interview

We should perhaps say, Alfred, you were born in Sale in 1960 but you then went to Hong Kong and lived there for quite a while.
nla.gov.au

Heyfield Player Makes Good - Gippsland Times (Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 23 Apr 1953

Bill Green, the Heyfield star who travelled to Melbourne and made the grade with Richmond, with which side he ...
nla.gov.au nla.gov.au

Sale-ite Alf
Chown was a reserve for Haw
Fix this textthoin and is expected to re
main in the side after his in
itial break.

Given Alf married in 1960 I think contacting the company named might help further this enquiry.
 
GreyCrow said:
Alf Chown is on this list and having a look I dont see a death

I did see a bio of possibly a relative - even a son - who is back and forth to Hong Kong

Managing Director Alfred Chown Speaks with Alan Kohler | Energy Technologies

www.energytechnologies.com.au www.energytechnologies.com.au

The following 2 is what made me post this

Excerpt from interview

We should perhaps say, Alfred, you were born in Sale in 1960 but you then went to Hong Kong and lived there for quite a while.
nla.gov.au

Heyfield Player Makes Good - Gippsland Times (Vic. : 1861 - 1954) - 23 Apr 1953

Bill Green, the Heyfield star who travelled to Melbourne and made the grade with Richmond, with which side he ...
nla.gov.au nla.gov.au

Sale-ite Alf
Chown was a reserve for Haw
Fix this textthoin and is expected to re
main in the side after his in
itial break.

Given Alf married in 1960 I think contacting the company named might help further this enquiry.
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There's a post from Alf Chown on the Sale FNC Facebook page that's three years old:
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I think that would have to be the old Hawk.
 
Summary: Richard "Dick" Grimmond (RFC) has died Oct 24, 2024

Dick Grimmond - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

GRIMMOND | The Daily Advertiser | Wagga Wagga, NSW

GRIMMOND Richard (Dick) James 06/07/1938 24/10/2024 A private funeral to be held A get together to remember Dick will be held at Wodonga Football Club Rooms on Thursday 31st October 2024, 2.00pm to 5.00pm All Welcome
www.dailyadvertiser.com.au www.dailyadvertiser.com.au
 
GreyCrow said:
Anything new on Jim Rattray?

I have a possible but if there is further I wont mention it as its fairly vague
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Mention it, please. Never know what others will pick up from it.
J G Rattray (from East Ringwood) in a permit list in 1948.

Cannot see any ref to death of a James/Jim Rattray (b 1929) in Australia on Ancestry, so that implies he is still alive - not definitive I know...but a start anyway :)
 

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