Reduce the size of the MCC reserve

[travelislife]

No, I was checking the MCC's Facebook page. Those are the only posts from Friday afternoon before the game.

Not correct...you might want to follow within the Facebook thread. MCC provided updates and photos on multiple occassions within the comments.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

You're clearly just trolling Bigfooty.
There were updates at 2:30 and 3:30 showing SFA people in the queue. And then they starting begging for people at 5:30.

Where were they?

https://www.facebook.com/pg/MelbourneCricketClub/posts/?ref=page_internal

Admittedly, I wasn't checking in regularly on Friday (because I wasn't going), but I have done so frequently in the past and found the lack of information (and of useful information) to be pretty frustrating.

If I don't know where to find updates, how are members in their 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s going to go?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Where were they?

https://www.facebook.com/pg/MelbourneCricketClub/posts/?ref=page_internal

Admittedly, I wasn't checking in regularly on Friday (because I wasn't going), but I have done so frequently in the past and found the lack of information (and of useful information) to be pretty frustrating.

If I don't know where to find updates, how are members in their 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s going to go?

Its not hard to find out if you try.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

This isn’t correct. There were multiple updates of the queue by the MCC. Definitely at 3:30pm and again at 5:25pm. The gates didn’t open till 5pm. So they don’t 100% know numbers till the queue clears. They provided an update at 5:25pm on Facebook saying the queue had cleared and plenty of seats available. Someone else provided the photos up thread to show this.

Why would they need to know exactly the number of people in the queue? An educated guess that's within about 20% of the exact number would be a very useful gauge of how the queue is building.

 

[NoobPie]

MCC generates $130m of revenue a year. Over $50m of that is membership subs.

The other $80m is presumably revenues from events at the ground? Perhaps the ~3 million attendees at AFL games (the vast majority not MCC members) might contribute a decent chunk of that?

If you can arrange club members to chip that in I’m sure they can change the arrangements for you.

Collingwood raised over $23M in membership and matchday revenues in 2017. This of course (largely) does not include the ~25K MCC and AFL members.

 

[Teagueeee15]

The other $80m is presumably revenues from events at the ground? Perhaps the ~3 million attendees at AFL games (the vast majority not MCC members) might contribute a decent chunk of that?



Collingwood raised over $23M in membership and matchday revenues in 2017. This of course (largely) does not include the ~25K MCC and AFL members.

MCC membership money absolutely is included in Collingwood match day revenue. For every MCC member that scans their card for entry at a Collingwood home game, the MCC pays the cost of a general admission ticket into the gate. So let’s say Collingwood’s 9 MCG home games were attended by a total of 100,000 MCC members, that’s $2,500,000 paid into the Collingwood gate takings by the MCC.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

I'm an MCC restricted and enjoy rocking up whenever I feel like it bar the grand final
System won't change so no point whinging

 

[PrideOverPower]

I went through this with someone a while back who was claiming it would be well over 70 thousand.
Putting something like the Riverbank stand up the other end would only increase capacity by 7,500. You lose 6,500 existing spots and get 14,000 new ones.
That would make total capacity 61k. Not sure if that's big enough for a GF.


From Adelaide oval website.
Stadium capacity

The Adelaide Oval has a total capacity of 53,500. On the Northern Mound there is seating for 3,000 and standing room for 3,500. The Western Stand has a capacity of 14,000 seats, the Riverbank Stand has 14,000 seats and the Eastern Stand has 19,000.

Official attendance for last years prelim was I think 53800 so not sure where they got 53500 from. Who cares if its only 61000, have you been to a packed Adelaide Oval when the crowd is on their feet? One time the siren was almost inaudible. The only conflicting interest is the AFL's bank balance which is only == 15k less than the MCG capacity minus the 23k MCC who dont pay admission.....

 

[Starburns_]

Official attendance for last years prelim was I think 53800 so not sure where they got 53500 from. Who cares if its only 61000, have you been to a packed Adelaide Oval when the crowd is on their feet? One time the siren was almost inaudible. The only conflicting interest is the AFL's bank balance which is only == 15k less than the MCG capacity minus the 23k MCC who dont pay admission.....

The MCC pay the AFL for everyone who enters the reserve for every game (GF included). But nice try.

 

[Furn2]

The MCC pay the AFL for everyone who enters the reserve for every game (GF included). But nice try.

Clearly, not at market rates, since the GF alone would cost $10mil.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Clearly, not at market rates, since the GF alone would cost $10mil.

I'm not sure how much the MCC pay the AFL for the gate and whether its differnet in finals...thats a commercial arrangement that none of us are aware of.

BUT

Would you rather the money in Gil McGlachlans hands or in the hands of the MCC who spend their surplus on ground redevelopment?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Entitlement to cricket members should have been wiped when they signed the recent extension

Football dollars subsidise a cricket club - it’s ridiculous

 

[Teagueeee15]

I'm not sure how much the MCC pay the AFL for the gate and whether its differnet in finals...thats a commercial arrangement that none of us are aware of.

BUT

Would you rather the money in Gil McGlachlans hands or in the hands of the MCC who spend their surplus on ground redevelopment?

For home and away games it’s a general admission ticket price of $25.

It’s hard to find out exactly how much they pay per member for finals, but in 2012 it was $258 per member according to the below for the grand final that year.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...l/news-story/d449124aae2b25c7829c56035fdf82ab

 

[Bomberboyokay]

For every MCC member that scans their card for entry at a Collingwood home game, the MCC pays the cost of a general admission ticket into the gate.

General Admission dollars for the best wing seats on levels 1 and 2. Sounds like Collingwood are ****ed over.

 

[Pedantic]

Clearly, not at market rates, since the GF alone would cost $10mil.

It was upwards of $7mil last I read about it a few years ago. Would no doubt have gone up since then because it's dictated as whatever the AFL set the price of a 'general admin' ticket at.

 

[MarkT2]

The MCC members is too big but that's only the start of the problem. The AFL reserve is too big as well. In fact there shouldn't even be an AFL reserve or an AFL membership for that matter. The AFL shouldn't compete with its clubs. Docklands Medallion Club members should get GF tickets. Radio stations etc shouldn't have tickets to give away in competitions. It's not like they won't broadcast footy if they didn't get tickets to give away. Sponsors get too many tickets. They sponsor the AFL because they get PR and exposure.

 

[Teagueeee15]

General Admission dollars for the best wing seats on levels 1 and 2. Sounds like Collingwood are ****** over.

$2.5 million in gate takings from the MCC, while the MCC picks up much of the costs is pretty good I think. I don’t hear Eddie complaining.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

at the 'we put back in three-fifths of 10% of our such and such specific revenue' like they're nice guys when really that's the bare minimum they have to do to stop the VIC Government and AFL shutting them down.

 

[yodellinhank]

The MCC members is too big but that's only the start of the problem. The AFL reserve is too big as well. In fact there shouldn't even be an AFL reserve or an AFL membership for that matter. The AFL shouldn't compete with its clubs. Docklands Medallion Club members should get GF tickets. Radio stations etc shouldn't have tickets to give away in competitions. It's not like they won't broadcast footy if they didn't get tickets to give away. Sponsors get too many tickets. They sponsor the AFL because they get PR and exposure.

If all the money went to clubs and there were no MCC or AFL reserve the game would still be played out of suburban stadiums. If you want to take that position that's fine, but less fans will get to see their team in the grand final when all you've got is suburban grounds.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

If all the money went to clubs and there were no MCC or AFL reserve the game would still be played out of suburban stadiums.

Like West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane play at 'suburban stadiums'?

And have I been imagining Docklands Stadium all these years?

 

[yodellinhank]

Like West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane play at 'suburban stadiums'?

And have I been imagining Docklands Stadium all these years?

Which one of those would help more fans get tickets to the prelim final?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Like West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane play at 'suburban stadiums'?

And have I been imagining Docklands Stadium all these years?

Basically every stadium has had a membership of some sort. It’s a big part of stadium economics.

AFL membership was originally VFL Park membership. It’s now a reserve at the MCG since the GSS was built. The AFL contribute huge amounts for upkeep and renovations at the MCG.

Docklands has the Medallion Club. It’s a slightly different model - less members, $5,000 per year - but it’s exactly the same thing. It’s $20m - $25m in revenue a year that goes toward operating and renovating the stadium.

If you get rid of AFL membership, the AFL loses a truckload of revenue. They still contribute the upkeep and renovations at the MCG - it just comes out of other revenue. That would otherwise go where their biggest outflow goes - to the clubs as distributions.

Ultimately, it’s no different financially.

They instituted the club support scheme so that there was some direct revenue going directly to AFL members’ clubs, reflecting how many of their supporters had AFL membership that might otherwise have club membership.

I asked all these questions years ago, that’s how it works. Stadiums have to be paid for.

 

[Furn2]

Cmon let's get real here, the mcc is all about boosting low self esteem.

 

[yodellinhank]

Cmon let's get real here, the mcc is all about boosting low self esteem.

In which case they should increase the size of the reserve and make the world a happier place.

 

[kriles76]

Allegation on the 3AW Rumour File today that MCC members get their reserved seats prior to the game but are unhappy with them.

So they queue up anyway and get better walk-up seats leaving their reserved seat/s to go vacant. Caller suggested this was a prominent cause of the PF vacant seats and might well happen at the GF also.

I can believe this may explain perhaps a few hundred vacant seats but not two a half large.