Oppo Camp Regular Non Eagles Discussion V2

[greatwhiteshark]

Nah its to stop players like ginnivan playing for free kicks. His first instinct is to drop the knees and play for the free.

This shi-te is stemming to juniors where they are doing it. The AFL wants to stamp that out.

Its no different to players ducking and being called play on for mine. They can still shrug as a form of evasion, but then need to play on...not sit there like a stunned mullet expecting the free.

The Ducking one is no issue, but you should be able to lower you body and raise your arm. Don't tackle me high. It is bloody simple. There is nothing for the AFL to stamp out. There will be however once the head high contact is rife in the sport with no penalty.
The tackler has all the responsibility. How di we ever let it get to a point where they no longer have any. I tackle one height and you the bloke with the ball must not move. Just bloody ridiculous.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Why doesn't the tackler have to adjust and go lower? I know if I am trying to tackle that the player can try and evade me. My eyes are on his hips. The problem is AFL players have their eyes on the chest and shoulders as the tackling point and which has led us to this point.

Because when you get the hips, the arms are free and he gets the disposal away. Meaning it’s not even recorded as a tackle. Think about that next time you complain that a player’s tackle numbers are too low.

Could not disagree with you more. I have the ball and I should be able to do as I please. Don't get me high. It's so bloody simple and yet again the AFL have now made it complicated. Watch the head high tackles become common place in the game.

So you could just lower your head and charge using your head as a battering ram, and it’s your opponent’s duty not to knock you out?

 

[KERRPOW]

The Ducking one is no issue, but you should be able to lower you body and raise your arm. Don't tackle me high. It is bloody simple. There is nothing for the AFL to stamp out. There will be however once the head high contact is rife in the sport with no penalty.
The tackler has all the responsibility. How di we ever let it get to a point where they no longer have any. I tackle one height and you the bloke with the ball must not move. Just bloody ridiculous.

Duckwood and shuey have been doing it for years. But its part of their weapons, not their one wood like that gimp ginnivan.

AFL have no choice, kids are going in with the primary intention of getting hit in the head to earn a free. I have no problems with the AFL trying to stamp that out.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Because when you get the hips, the arms are free and he gets the disposal away. Meaning it’s not even recorded as a tackle. Think about that next time you complain that a player’s tackle numbers are too low.



So you could just lower your head and charge using your head as a battering ram, and it’s your opponent’s duty not to knock you out?

The game flows because the ball moves on, I said aim at the hips. If they lower trying to evade guess where the tackle ends? About chest height and not head height.

Your last point is just stupid, ducking has been out for 40 years.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Duckwood and shuey have been doing it for years. But its part of their weapons, not their one wood like that gimp ginnivan.

AFL have no choice, kids are going in with the primary intention of getting hit in the head to earn a free. I have no problems with the AFL trying to stamp that out.

Like I said earlier, Shuey and Selwood do it every tackle, it is only the weak tackles they can force high. But we are concentrating on the weak tackler.

The AFL are heading in the wrong direction thinking they will stamp it out. My opinion of course.

 

[Truckosaurus]

It's not even the most controversial non-call in the last year, what with teams getting robbed blind at Kardinia.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The game flows because the ball moves on, I said aim at the hips.

The tackler isn’t trying to ensure the game flows. He’s trying to stop that. Why aim at the hips, your opponent can simply handball off to his teammate, and you’ve expended a lot of energy for nothing. Pin the arms, stop him disposing of the ball correctly and you’ve either created a stoppage or won a free kick.

I don’t understand your last point. If ducking’s been out for 40 years then Joel Selwood would have had half the career he’s had.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The tackler isn’t trying to ensure the game flows. He’s trying to stop that. Why aim at the hips, your opponent can simply handball off to his teammate, and you’ve expended a lot of energy for nothing. Pin the arms, stop him disposing of the ball correctly and you’ve either created a stoppage or won a free kick.

I don’t understand your last point. If ducking’s been out for 40 years then Joel Selwood would have had half the career he’s had.

Then by tackling high you at your own risk take on that your tackle may end up high and you should be penalized. You can't have it both ways that you get to tackle as high as you can and then expect the player with the ball to be responsible if your tackle ends up even higher.

Selwood is a star and has been for many a year. The only tackles he pushes high are the weak tacklers. The other 90% of tackles that are strong tackles he can't push high.

 

[The Dodger]

Yeah i'm tired of lazy tackler/tacklers being talked about like needing to be protected for the good of the game.
You see it they get wrong footed throw and arm out at shoulder height due to the guy with the ball changing direction and get him them high. That was the Luke Shuey

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Joel Selwood et al. I dont like it, its ugly but I feel the wrong person is being blamed. Taking advantage of an opposition player out of position attempting to tackle poorly is not the guy with the footy's fault.
The Ginnivan one... yes you can't enter a tackle head on to the guy picking up the footy. You need to wait for them to go past you and grab the waist. That tackle gets executed perfectly multiple times a game yet we hear about the 2 or 3 that don't and give away free kicks.

I don't believe you can tackle from any situation nor should there be a requirement for the game to make it so that you can tackle from any position. Guy to the ball first has it get it off of him without getting him high.
Also more often than not Ginnivan is too low to the ground when picking up the footy and loses his balance to try and get the tackle to go high. Let him go to ground and jump on him. Not sure why they are trying to tackle a guy that is head over heels about to the grass anyway.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

There's two options for the tackler.

1. Pin their arms and stop the flow, but you risk giving away a free
2. Tackle the hips and the tackler is less likely to give away a free, but they ball player may get it out albeit under duress.

The AFL have done a great job to stamp out the head leading ducking that Lindsay Thomas and Andrew Swallow

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were doing for a while, but this is clearly a tackling issue not the ball player. Do you want the player to just dead fish when they get tackled?

What is the difference between a tackler going for the arms and giving away a high free kick after a player shrugs and tackling at the hips and sliding down to tripping the player as they try and run off?

 

[ziad]

The Ducking one is no issue, but you should be able to lower you body and raise your arm. Don't tackle me high. It is bloody simple. There is nothing for the AFL to stamp out. There will be however once the head high contact is rife in the sport with no penalty.
The tackler has all the responsibility. How di we ever let it get to a point where they no longer have any. I tackle one height and you the bloke with the ball must not move. Just bloody ridiculous.

One players lowering is anothers swerving through traffic.

 

[RookiePick]

More self-inflicted damage by the AFL really.

Players can now get rid of the ball in the most ridiculous ways (handpass over the back of the head anyone?) and are effectively not punished for incorrect disposal (unless they are foolish enough to actually try and dispose of it). Players are strongly incentivised to apply strong tackles around the shoulders as other methods are not rewarded.

The ridiculous quest for "flowing, open play" by not calling stoppages is responsible for almost every daft problem the game is facing today.

 

[RookiePick]

“And maybe the history of the game”.

Gee.

Heck of a forearm shaped goiter Ginnivan has grown there.

 

[UseR2006]

Anyone can tackle, clearly tackling has not been demanded from the coaching staff.

Yes, but there are always going to be those more effective at tackling in every team.
No team has 22 players on the ground all brilliant at tackling.
It just so happens that all our most effective at tackling have been injured a lot.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

More self-inflicted damage by the AFL really.

Players can now get rid of the ball in the most ridiculous ways (handpass over the back of the head anyone?) and are effectively not punished for incorrect disposal (unless they are foolish enough to actually try and dispose of it). Players are strongly incentivised to apply strong tackles around the shoulders as other methods are not rewarded.

The ridiculous quest for "flowing, open play" by not calling stoppages is responsible for almost every daft problem the game is facing today.

I can't remember the last time I saw Tom Liberatore handball instead of throw.

 

[Ochre]

It's not even the most controversial non-call in the last year, what with teams getting robbed blind at Kardinia.

That's well past a year now isnt it

 

[Truckosaurus]

That's well past a year now isnt it

Round 1 last year isn't the only time it's happened, come on.

 

[stinger05]

Does anyone know of the president’s vote for the Tasmanian team will be a secret ballot or will we be privy to the votes.

 

[Rowan18]

Does anyone know of the president’s vote for the Tasmanian team will be a secret ballot or will we be privy to the votes.

When is it happening?

 

[Farang83150]

“And maybe the history of the game”.

Gee.

Everytime he gets tackled his 1st move is to raise the arm, it's looks to be so ingrained, the kid must've been doin it for a long time.
Simmo saying on 360 he saw kids doing at his son's footy a while ago and not a good look at all, gotta agree 100% and don't have any problem with gineven, Shuey or anyone else getting pinged for it.

 

[WCErevival]

I think Shuey mentioning the other day he uses it as a tactic was the final straw for the AFL. They dont like being made to look stupid. Interesting that Selwood has never caused an issue though

 

[Farang83150]

Does anyone know of the president’s vote for the Tasmanian team will be a secret ballot or will we be privy to the votes.

Surely it'd be secret wouldn't it

 

[shooshka]

Yeah i'm tired of lazy tackler/tacklers being talked about like needing to be protected for the good of the game.
You see it they get wrong footed throw and arm out at shoulder height due to the guy with the ball changing direction and get him them high. That was the Luke Shuey Joel Selwood et al. I dont like it, its ugly but I feel the wrong person is being blamed. Taking advantage of an opposition player out of position attempting to tackle poorly is not the guy with the footy's fault.
The Ginnivan one... yes you can't enter a tackle head on to the guy picking up the footy. You need to wait for them to go past you and grab the waist. That tackle gets executed perfectly multiple times a game yet we hear about the 2 or 3 that don't and give away free kicks.

I don't believe you can tackle from any situation nor should there be a requirement for the game to make it so that you can tackle from any position. Guy to the ball first has it get it off of him without getting him high.
Also more often than not Ginnivan is too low to the ground when picking up the footy and loses his balance to try and get the tackle to go high. Let him go to ground and jump on him. Not sure why they are trying to tackle a guy that is head over heels about to the grass anyway.

It's also another unfortunate victim from the AFL trying to protect the head (the right thing) and the tribunal dishing out punishments based on result rather than action (the wrong thing).

Guys going to apply a fair tackle will almost always go at less than 100% ferocity/impact. Both due to the dangerous tackle rules, and for fear of injuring someone with a high tackle.

I've got no issue with stopping swinging arms (that are seen in NRL, and punished), but there is no doubt some players don't commit 100% as they know the shrug will potentially cause head damage if their tackle rides up. Take any penalty off the table (from the tribunal) and see how long guys want to shrug tackles if they can get belted in the head (I'm not advocating the head-high contact - just the personal responsibility).

Also, dangerous tackles could be significantly reduced by whistling earlier (HTB or ball up). And to be fair I think this has been improved as the season has progressed. Giving players 3-4 seconds to dispose of the ball whilst standing in a tackle is asking for the tackler to take them to ground (otherwise they will get a kick of some form away), which if arms are pinned is dangerous.

 

[DragoDelph]

Because when you get the hips, the arms are free and he gets the disposal away. Meaning it’s not even recorded as a tackle. Think about that next time you complain that a player’s tackle numbers are too low.



So you could just lower your head and charge using your head as a battering ram, and it’s your opponent’s duty not to knock you out?

Like this?

 

[WCErevival]

Like this?

I can only assume Suban was unconscious before attempting that tackle.