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Future of Jags, Believe Nothing

Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver, after months if not years of flat denials that the team is for sale, is selling the team. Amazingly, as Weaver continues his months if not years of flat denials that the team won’t move from Jacksonville, people actually believe him.

The most important point emerging from Tuesday’s frenetic events and developments regarding the Jaguars is that no one should accept at face value Weaver’s denial that the team will move, because Weaver has shown that his denial of a sale can’t be taken at face value.

Just this month, the franchise issued a statement that “Wayne Weaver is not selling the team.”

The fact that the agreement to sell the team contains no clause requiring Shahid Khan to keep the team in Jacksonville confirms that a move remains on the table. It would have been easy for Weaver to make it harder for Khan to move the team. Weaver, for example, could have insisted that the agreement contain a clause requiring Khan to pay a prohibitive amount of money to Weaver if Khan were to move the team before a specific date in the future. But since such a clause surely would have reduced the purchase price paid to Weaver, Weaver likely opted not to insist on such a commitment.

Instead, the only thing keeping the team in place will be a stadium lease that runs through 2029, which can be abandoned if the team demonstrates three consecutive years of losses or proves that the city has failed to maintain the stadium. Though plenty of folks in Jacksonville understandably cling to those terms as ensuring that the team won’t leave for nearly two decades at the earliest, everything is negotiable. And since Khan won’t have to make a balloon payment of $100 million or more to Weaver if Khan leaves Jacksonville before some specific date in the future, Khan and/or the folks in L.A. who want to move a team there will be able to devote all available cash to procuring a release from the remaining terms of the lease.

Given that the Jaguars face an ongoing challenge when it comes to selling tickets, it was important for Weaver to keep his efforts to sell the team under wraps, until the team was sold. For those same reasons, Khan will have to keep any efforts to move the team under wraps, until the team is moved.

And so, just as Weaver denied that the team was for sale while he worked behind the scenes to sell it, it would be naive to assume that Khan isn’t working behind the scenes to move the team, even if he continues to deny any intention to move it.
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Stan Kroenke is from Missouri. He went to school in Missouri. He currently lives in Missouri. I find it highly unlikely that he'll move the Rams back to Los Angeles. He's a man with deep pockets, and I think he'll be able to get a new stadium deal done in his home state.
 
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There is no way the Jags will move to LA, if a team does decide to move there it will be either the Raiders, Rams or possibly both.

-Bills will remain in Buffalo or move to Toronto.

-Vikings will stay in Minnesota, they will only use Los Angeles as negotiating leverage for better stadium deals, ect.

-Chargers seem to be adamant that they will not return to LA either.

I hope the Rams do move back to Los Angeles where they belong, the NFL would be so much better off with the LA Rams back.
 

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A very good early August article on the likely teams to move to LA, and breaks down everything really well.

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It seems the chances of the Rams getting a new stadium in St. Louis are as remote as they are for the Chargers in San Diego. Having the Chargers and the Rams relocate to Los Angeles would be the most ideal scenario for the league, which would like to see one AFC West team and one NFC West team move to Los Angeles (preferably with Los Angeles ties) so the geography of the current divisions still work and each of the conference's television broadcasters (currently CBS and FOX) will get a team in the country's second-biggest media market.
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Chargers CB Makes Twitter Waves About Move to LA

Folks in San Diego remain fairly nervous, what with the Chargers unable to secure a new stadium and still struggling to sell all the tickets to the one they currently inhabit.

And so the locals understandably were upset with cornerback Shareece Wright when he took to Twitter to talk openly about a move to Los Angeles.

Matthew T. Hall of U-T San Diego chronicles the tweets and countertweets, which started with Wright making the following observation while watching the Lakers play on TV: “Downtown LA looking nice. Wait till that football stadium gets built. #LosAngelesChargers.”

Wright, a third-round draft pick in 2011 who appeared in seven games as a rookie, attended USC, making his affinity for L.A. understandable. But certain things are better left unsaid, especially on a high-profile platform like Twitter.
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For some reason I still think the Raiders will move back to LA. I don't believe Mark Davis is keen on sharing a stadium with the 49ers, and their owner wants the stadium in San Francisco (IIRC). So, unless the city of Oakland actually fronts up the money, Mark Davis will move the team.
 
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The mayor of Oakland, Jean Quan, is devising a plan to attract Chinese investors to build a new stadium adjacent to the current site. Not actually a stadium, but a whole entertainment complex. Whether that happens is another matter.

Right now, in an ever-changing 'who will relocate to LA' landscape, I think the Chargers are going back to LA from the AFC, and the Rams from the NFC.
 
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It hasn't even broke ground.

The owner of the new stadium, Edward Roski, said he won't build the stadium until a tenant has agreed to terms. So a team would have to find a temporary home while it's constructed for a year or two. I think it would more likely be the Rose Bowl.
 
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Ryder Is God said:
It hasn't even broke ground.

The owner of the new stadium, Edward Roski, said he won't build the stadium until a tenant has agreed to terms. So a team would have to find a temporary home while it's constructed for a year or two. I think it would more likely be the Rose Bowl.
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This is why Football won't work in Los Angeles. Stalling stalling stalling.
 

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There are two LA bids.

The AEG's Farmers Field bid in downtown LA, would include not just a stadium but a whole entertainment complex.

And there's Roski's Los Angeles Stadium bid on property he owns in Industry, which again would not just be a stadium but a whole entertainment complex.

What's interesting is that Roski and AEG used to be business partners.

Downtown LA would probably invite trouble with local gangs and hooligan elements. But it would be in the heart of LA. Whereas the stadium in Industry would be more upmarket and in closer reach to neighboring upmarket regions like Orange, San Bernardino, etc, attracting a greater expanse of LA population.
 
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A nice post on FF very briefly touching on the history of football in LA...

The L.A. Mirage

Dan Reeves, a NYC businessman bought the Cleveland Rams during WW II. Won the 1946 NFL title with QB Bob Waterfield who was married to actress Jane Russell. As he couldn't succeed against Paul Brown's Cleveland Browns, he moved to LA. His estate sold the team in 1972. He never found the formula for success. He survived several AAFC teams in the '40's and the AFL Chargers that moved to SD in '62.

He won NFL championships in LA with QB Norm Van Brocklin. He hired a young PR guy, Pete Rozelle, who became Rams GM. He hired George Allen to coach the team.

Carroll Rosenbloom, owner of the Colts, talked a friend into buying the Rams and swapping franchises. Rosenbloom never figured out the LA markets. His widow moved the team to Anaheim, then St. Louis in the mid '90's.

Al Davis moved the Raiders to LA in the early '80's, won a SB in '83 and moved back to Oakland in the mid '90's.

Dan Reeves, Carroll Rosenbloom, Pete Rozelle and Al Davis all found the LA markets to be an aluring puzzle. So what has changed?
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I think it's much farther away than most, but I think the only team CERTAIN to move to LA is the Raiders. This Chinese Investors thing sounds well and good, but Oakland has been scheming bogus stadium plans for a decade for all three of their sports teams. The Warriors will probably end up in San Francisco, and the A's is all likelihood are moving to San Jose.

The 49ers have financed their stadium on their own, and don't need the Raiders to share it with them. Also so many things would have to be re-voted because Santa Clara only signed up for 8 games a season, as opposed to 16 if the Raiders played there too.

Oakland doesn't have the financial power that San Francisco, San Jose, and the Silicon Valley have. They won't get a new stadium there. IMO 90% likely they go to LA, 10% they share the Santa Clara Stadium. Because there's no way in hell they're getting anything done in Oakland.
 
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Jean Quan has taken a political beating this fall, particularly from Occupy Oakland and the insurgent recall campaign. But on Friday, the mayor came out swinging with a new proposal to build a massive sports village at the Oakland Coliseum. Dubbed "Coliseum City," the project is designed to be privately funded and would include a new ballpark for the A's, a new stadium for the Raiders, and a new arena for the Warriors, along with a convention center, hotel, and retail strip.
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http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/coliseum-city-unveiled/Content?oid=3068937
 
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You guys have to know Oakland first-hand to realize how much of a fantasy that Coliseum City is. It's really not a bad place, but most people outside of Oakland have a very negative opinion of it, especially East Oakland where the Coliseum lies. Investors will not exactly be eager to jump into a multi-billion-dollar project there, especially with the utterly inept politicians running things now.

On another note, the Santa Clara stadium deal is in the hands of the 49ers, so that would put the Raiders as tenants of another NFL team and not the city of Santa Clara. I doubt a Davis would tolerate that at all. It seems the 49ers are not reliant on doubling NFL's stadium funding (provided the Raiders were to share) so they have no problem going it alone.
 
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krudmonk said:
You guys have to know Oakland first-hand to realize how much of a fantasy that Coliseum City is. It's really not a bad place, but most people outside of Oakland have a very negative opinion of it, especially East Oakland where the Coliseum lies. Investors will not exactly be eager to jump into a multi-billion-dollar project there, especially with the utterly inept politicians running things now.

On another note, the Santa Clara stadium deal is in the hands of the 49ers, so that would put the Raiders as tenants of another NFL team and not the city of Santa Clara. I doubt a Davis would tolerate that at all. It seems the 49ers are not reliant on doubling NFL's stadium funding (provided the Raiders were to share) so they have no problem going it alone.
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Good points, which further lead me to believe that Mark Davis will go the L.A. route.
 
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If/when OaklandLive/Coliseum City gets built, there’ll be a new Santa Clara stadium, maybe 1-2 new LA stadiums, a new Vikings stadium, so imagine the fight for winning the bid to host the Super Bowl. It could mean a long time before Oakland sees it, or, a typical biased situation where the NFL awards it to Santa Clara over the Coliseum City.

Oakland has a plain to build new stadiums for the A’s, Warriors, and Raiders next to the current site. The plan is called Coliseum City. In the '70s, Oakland might have been the sports capital of the nation -- winning 3 World Series, a Super Bowl, and NBA championship, and had a hockey team and roller derby. By 2017, Oakland could have no sports teams. The plan also calls for a convention center and mall next to the stadiums. It will be cheaper to build the stadiums here because the city already owns the land, the infrastructure is already in place; and, since it will be built on already developed land, a lot of the environmental impact staff won’t have to be done. A new parking lot won’t be necessary because they will use the current Coliseum Parking lot. It will be much cheaper to build it here than anywhere else in the state, but it will still take money from the county, private investors, as well as the teams and fans in the form of PSLs to make this happen.
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MarcusP2 said:
Is the new stadium built yet? No team is moving back to the crappy Coliseum.
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Nope..aint started it either.....

If they build downtown LA it will be the cluster **** of biblical proportions....
Staples Centre( Lakers / CLippers / events) Nokia Theatre ( Live shows emmys, American Idol etc) the bloody stadium, not to mention all the workers there, USC just up the road...

and NO public transport which MEANS everyone is gonna drive..... and freeway system maxed out 15 years ago.....

and i mean BIBLICAL.....:confused:

Just sayin.....

GO Catters..
 
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SA1NTER said:
Could the Rams playing three games in London be a prelude to a move to Los Angeles?
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Your question should be, "Could the Rams playing three games in London be a prelude to a move to LONDON?"

Remember Stan Kronke is the majority owner of Arsenal as well.
 

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