NFL Relocations and League Expansion

[Dirty Bird]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

With the amount of players that will get released in the next couple of weeks, roughly 40 per team (1280 players), and the amount of back-ups that hardly see time apart from special teams, and a good portion of those players being NFL-caliber, there's enough there to start up a rival league, or, more practically, there's enough there for the NFL to establish another, say, 8 teams.

What do you think? Another division each conference with four teams in each. I reckon there's so much 'good enough' talent going around beyond these 53 cuts, to make for competitive football teams.

If the NFL wants to increase revenue i think they should seriously look at such an expansion. There's certainly plenty of 'good enough' football stadiums around the country to handle them.

Where would your 8 teams go?

like
Los Angeles
San Antonio

are obvious.

I'd throw in Salt Lake City too, maybe Portland? Tulsa?

See, after the first 2, there isn't much

True New York team?
Maybe Connecticut instead?

I'd do Mobile or something down there, but good luck getting into the establish college land of the Bible Belt (otherwise known as SEC land)

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Diluting the talent pool by another 1200 players would be a big mistake. How crap would the Bengals be then for instance?? There are enough teams now struggling to gain decent support. Just right the way it is.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

If the Raiders stay in Oakland (it's very possible they relocate to LA), then there'd be two LA teams.

San Antonio sure. Las Vegas I'd certainly be excited about. Birmingham could get a team. Portland possible. Maybe a couple from the mid-west.

Alternatively, you could also look at 2 in Canada, 2 in Mexico (it's huge there). Even 1 in London like Goodell would like.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Piss off the Pro Bowl and set up a team in Honolulu?

Maybe send the Pro Bowl aroudn the world 2 weeks after the Superbowl?

1 year it's in Munich, the next in Rio, and then in Sydney?

Use the Pro Bowl as a way to grow the game internationally?

 

[larkis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

So NFL owners want more competition for their key players? Drive up wages? Players pulling together to increase the minimum wage every CBA to a lot higher? All on a strategy to expand internationally and put more fatigue on players.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

just move the Rams out of Missouri (maybe back to LA?)

I don't know why Missouri has 2 NFL teams while New York only has 1...

 

[Exe Gesis]

It makes sense imo, the NFL and NFLPA want to increase revenue.

There's certainly enough talent imo for 40 teams (extra 8).

So let's play hypothetical think-tank...

1 in LA (Raiders the other)
1 in San Antonio
1 in London
1 in Canada (not including Bills)
1 in Mexico
1 in Hawai'i
1 in mid-west (tulsa-oklahoma, lincoln-nebraska, birmingham-alabama) most feasible would be Birmingham
1 in Las Vegas or Portland

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

But the question is.
Would they go
10 x 4
or
8 x 5

Add 1 team to each division, or start 2 divisions from scratch?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Two new divisions of 4.
One in the AFC, one in NFC.

Say....

AFC New: Hawai'i, Las Vegas/Portland, Mexico, LA
NFC New: London, Canada, Birmingham, San Antonio

Or....

8 division of 5

AFC West: add Hawai'i
AFC South: add Mexico
AFC North: add Las Vegas/Portland
AFC East: add London

NFC West: add LA
NFC South: add Birmingham
NFC North: add Canada
NFC East: add San Antonio

 

[Chadwiko]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

NFC East: add San Antonio

The whole 40 team league idea seems far-fetched, but even if it eventuated as described, they wouldn't put another Texas team in the NFC East.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

I'm just toying with possibilities.

Wouldn't make sense to put Mexico in the East if San Antonio and Birmingham are put in the South.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Washington relocate to San Antonio and change their names to the Rednecks?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Washington relocate to San Antonio and change their names to the Rednecks?

haha your best effort yet.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: 2011 Pre-Season Games - Discussion

Mike Florio suggests relocating the Buccaneers to London...(don't forget Bucs owner owns Man-U).

Some Think Buccaneers Should Move to LA

Here’s why I never bring it up: I think the Bucs are more likely to move to London.

It’s no coincidence that the Bucs are playing two home games in London in three seasons. If the Bucs build a fan base abroad — and if the attendance issues in Tampa don’t improve soon — the Bucs could be bound for not just a new city, but a new continent.

We know, we know. Plenty of you think it’s inconceivable for a team to be headquartered in London. During their recent visit to Charlie Rose’s show, both Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Panthers owner Jerry Richardson acknowledged that London remains a very viable market for the league.

The reasoning is simple. The new, post-HDTV NFL will be taking teams to where the people and the money are. One of the easiest ways to fill a stadium is to have the stadium in a place where there are so many people that there’s no way the stadium wouldn’t be filled.

So when it comes to the chronic struggles of the Jaguars and the Buccaneers to sell tickets, the question isn’t whether one or the other will go. The question is whether they both will.

 

[Alberton_Magpie]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

I would say-
Toronto (NFC North)
Omaha (NFC East)
Salt Lake City (AFC South)
Las Vegas (NFC West)
Los Angeles (AFC West)
Portland (AFC North)
San Antonio (NFC South)
Columbus (AFC East

 

[ERead]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

I don't think they'll look at expansion until all the owners are happy they are in the right cities.

I think we'd see a couple of relocations first. When no games black out for a few years, then maybe they'll expand.

I'd love to see NFL come to Hawaii. I reckon they'd go bonkers for it.

You'd think Texas could support more teams than they have (like, 16 .

Thing about the NFL, of course, is that heaps of people that live in cities that don't have teams are fiercely loyal to the team they chose. Are there many places (LA aside) that would take a new team and completely back it with sold out games every Sunday?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

What I never heard until just now was that before Al Davis passed away, he did interview with the AEG group about relocating to LA and was interested until Phil Anschutz insisted on a controlling share of the franchise.

With Davis passed on, the whole LA thing is going to really heat up now. Here are two interesting reads...

Raiders Re-Location Scenarios Take on New Dynamic

and a breaking development from Ed Roski...

Roski Makes Bold Move/Offer

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[Tassie19Cairns20]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

What I never heard until just now was that before Al Davis passed away, he did interview with the AEG group about relocating to LA and was interested until Phil Anschutz insisted on a controlling share of the franchise.

With Davis passed on, the whole LA thing is going to really heat up now. Here are two interesting reads...

Raiders Re-Location Scenarios Take on New Dynamic

and a breaking development from Ed Roski...

Roski Makes Bold Move/Offer

.

GG, where would you rather have the Raiders located? LA or Oakland?

 

[Chadwiko]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

I would say-
Toronto (NFC North)
Omaha (NFC East)
Salt Lake City (AFC South)
Las Vegas (NFC West)
Los Angeles (AFC West)
Portland (AFC North)
San Antonio (NFC South)
Columbus (AFC East)

Replace Columbus with Oklahoma City and I reckon that's a good expansion list.

I'd also consider putting the Toronto team in the same division as the Bills, as there would absolutely be a cross-border rivalry there.

 

[ERead]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

Replace Columbus with Oklahoma City and I reckon that's a good expansion list.

I'd also consider putting the Toronto team in the same division as the Bills, as there would absolutely be a cross-border rivalry there.

Won't the Bills move to Toronto?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

GG, where would you rather have the Raiders located? LA or Oakland?

Oakland, because that's its core, working class norcal. But cos we spent many years in LA, it's also become part of the fabric of the Raiders identity. LA would be better for the Raiders apparently, financially. 9 million people. But it will come with its risks. If the Raiders move to LA there's a chance they could move out again if the economic aspects fail again. And that further ostracize the bay area base for a second time. Last time it happened, raiders lost a ton of the fan base to the niners.

it would be great if they could build a stadium on the current site, with niners moving to santa clara. next best option might be LA, then the next best is santa clara shared temp tenancy with niners.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

Build a stadium on alcatraz with bridges serving both San Fran and Oakland

 

[bjtoby]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

Build a stadium on alcatraz with bridges serving both San Fran and Oakland

nice idea, just a slight problem of heritage listing and conservation

 

[ashley12]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

If you were to go down the 40 team route (I dont like it FWIW, pool already somewhat too dilated) then it makes a heap of sense to go with 8 divisions of 5 compared to 10 divisions of 4.

Anyway, it would also help fit in with the proposed 18 game season. 8 games within the division, 5 games vs an intraconference division and 5 against an inter-conference team.

If you have 5 divisions within the AFC/NFC, it would be relatively tough to fix up the intradivisional matchups with odd numbered teams, unless one NFC division has to play two AFC divisions.

IMO if they were going to expand, it would have to be 36 teams with 3 divisions of 6 in each conference. No way they add 25% more players to the NFL ranks.

 

[ROSEMVP]

Re: L.A., Relocations, & League Expansion

Just move Jags to LA imo.