News Review Completed

[Rodney Dangerfield]

All I kept hearing pre review was that the on field leadership department was going to be overhauled.
Wonder if that was rubbish or it is to be now done with Balme involved?

 

[Caveman68]

I'd suggest he's staying as a part time consultant for a year before full time retirement to help the transition.
Recuiting would be one of the hardest jobs for clubs as they are usually scouting kids from when they are 16 so you can't just chop and change.
Years of paperwork and research to transition.

I agree with this re the difficulty of the job and whether Jackson was given the resources required to do his job properly but he's been there 10 years with not a lot of hits so it's time to give someone else a go. I just hope they resource it properly.

 

[wart101]

If he's a consultant he is sacked

He only gets paid when used.

Its like saying we may need you to come in from time to time to show us what some of the mess you left behind means.



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[TiggerMan22]

Sounds like such a BS review to me...

Listen to what Jeff Kennett says around the 5:30 minute mark here - and that's what Richmond needs, not another bandaid.

listen to this on Audioboo

Lol no.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

All I kept hearing pre review was that the on field leadership department was going to be overhauled.
Wonder if that was rubbish or it is to be now done with Balme involved?

You won't touch that till the list is finalised and we know who is still at the club

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

You won't touch that till the list is finalised and we know who is still at the club

This is true.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Sounds like such a BS review to me...

Listen to what Jeff Kennett says around the 5:30 minute mark here - and that's what Richmond needs, not another bandaid.

listen to this on Audioboo

The same bloke who insisted Geelong didn't have the mental strength to beat hawthorn??

Then he was proven wrong when they had a 9 game winning streak over them?

He is an idiot lol

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

I agree with this re the difficulty of the job and whether Jackson was given the resources required to do his job properly but he's been there 10 years with not a lot of hits so it's time to give someone else a go. I just hope they resource it properly.

You completely missed my point and just slagged off Jackson.
He will probably be there as a consultant purely to help the transition of information Jackson collected and developed as you can't remove someone who has watched a kid for 4 years and put someone else in and expect them to pick up on all the paperwork.

 

[Caveman68]

Sorry, I got your point about the transition. I was trying to find some middle ground with you by stating that he may not have been resourced that well. I think Clarke has been promoted to handle the transition which should enable them to move FJ on completely. I wasn't slagging him off, I just think his time is up and instead of being half arsed about it the club should just say thanks and good luck for the future. It's just looks amateurish

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Sorry, I got your point about the transition. I was trying to find some middle ground with you by stating that he may not have been resourced that well. I think Clarke has been promoted to handle the transition which should enable them to move FJ on completely. I wasn't slagging him off, I just think his time is up and instead of being half arsed about it the club should just say thanks and good luck for the future. It's just looks amateurish

No doubt he was under resourced - I think that's been well acknowledged by everyone including the RFC.
You need both Clarke and Jackson for a smooth transition, you can't just throw Clarke in which is my point.

It's far from amateurish to handle the transition as smoothly as possible, throwing Jackson out and Clarke to the wolves would have been amateurish for what it's worth.
He may not have been the best recruiter, but he was the best equipped to know our systems, particularly weeks out from a draft.

 

[Caveman68]

No doubt he was under resourced - I think that's been well acknowledged by everyone including the RFC.
You need both Clarke and Jackson for a smooth transition, you can't just throw Clarke in which is my point.

It's far from amateurish to handle the transition as smoothly as possible, throwing Jackson out and Clarke to the wolves would have been amateurish for what it's worth.
He may not have been the best recruiter, but he was the best equipped to know our systems, particularly weeks out from a draft.

That's ok, we see things differently. I think with a strong mentor in place now guys like Clarke, Hartley, Richardson have now been given a great opportunity and there should be no excuses. I think DR was in the wrong role to start with and he is now well suited to his new role. He was thrown to the wolves right from the start and is still copping heat. I think BH was hamstrung by the GC and GWS picks and the agenda of recruiting mid tier players and he tried to make the best of an average situation. I think Craig Cameron was involved in this pre DR. Let's see how he goes given a clear mandate. Don't know much about Clarke.

 

[Livonski]

my understanding is that some of the leaders within the football department have been wanting to head into the direction the review has found for some time. Expressing their concern over the dead wood which has been restricting the clubs on field performance. If it ever sees the light of day some peoples negative opinion of the coach and the leadership group might change rather quickly.

That's an interesting post.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

That's ok, we see things differently. I think with a strong mentor in place now guys like Clarke, Hartley, Richardson have now been given a great opportunity and there should be no excuses. I think DR was in the wrong role to start with and he is now well suited to his new role. He was thrown to the wolves right from the start and is still copping heat. I think BH was hamstrung by the GC and GWS picks and the agenda of recruiting mid tier players and he tried to make the best of an average situation. I think Craig Cameron was involved in this pre DR. Let's see how he goes given a clear mandate. Don't know much about Clarke.

If you're talking about Balme he would have even less of an idea than anyone.
Hence why you keep Jackson on as a part timer for a year to help the transition for everyone.
To do otherwise is putting the club backwards.

 

[Livonski]

This is true.

But you would expect a shake up there in any event. Chaplin gone, Edwards, who knows? Jack comes in...at the very least.

 

[Tiger2709]

I see your point but feel that from the club's perceptive, it's just another wishy washy decision, kind of like sacking assistants but Giving them another year....if they want it.
So, when added to the list of other ridiculous decisions this mob have made, keeping Fabian Hardwit is just as ludicrous and reeks of a board that have painted themselves into a corner, with only their ego keeping them dry.

I agree they painted themselves into a corner, hopefully Balme will ensure no more undeserved extended contracts will be handed out and that coaches and players have some serious kpi's to achieve before any contracts are upped for no reason.

 

[MightyTiger]

I love this board, the club gets on the front foot after something has clearly gone wrong in season 2016, the club announce changes will happen, they then make said changes, not renewing contracts for pretty much the whole FD, bring in Balme, one of the best in the business, make structural changes within the Recruiting department, land a big fish in Prestia nominating us as his club of choice, release statement saying that further changes will happen pending what Balmes input will be after getting his hands on it, club has put 3 of our first round under performing draft picks on the draft table that are all whipping boys at Richmond, yet, somehow people still find fault.

 

[Caveman68]

If you're talking about Balme he would have even less of an idea than anyone.
Hence why you keep Jackson on as a part timer for a year to help the transition for everyone.
To do otherwise is putting the club backwards.

Yes, Balme. I get what your saying, I just have a different view and that is Clarke with the mentoring of Balme needs to be given a clear run without any interference. The club has promoted him so back him to do the job and put his stamp on things and not with the interference of someone who won't be there in a year. It just looks like the club has given him the job but with no real assurity.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Yes, Balme. I get what your saying, I just have a different view and that is Clarke with the mentoring of Balme needs to be given a clear run without any interference. The club has promoted him so back him to do the job and put his stamp on things and not with the interference of someone who won't be there in a year. It just looks like the club has given him the job but with no real assurity.

You're not listening.
Jackson has all the knowledge of any player under 18 (as far back as 15) as they study the kids for a long time.
This is information Balme and Clarke won't have - particularly not in the Richmond system.
Also remember it's not Balmes job to know the weakness' of potential recruits as he doesn't watch them so he's quite irrelevantto this particular discussion.

Now, you keep Jackson on for a year as a part time consultant to the players and kids they are watching in this and next year's draft and help Clarke and Balme with the transition of paperwork, video and prospects.
Now, whether they listen to Jackson or not is a personal matter for the club but to not have Jackson there is detrimental to the club.
You cannot expect to guys to walk in and just take 4 years of Jackson's life straight away.

I doubt he'scosting us much at all, if anything for the odd consult on a kid throughout the year.

I think you're taking the wording of part time consultant a bit too literally.

 

[Goldust]

You're not listening.
Jackson has all the knowledge of any player under 18 (as far back as 15) as they study the kids for a long time.
This is information Balme and Clarke won't have - particularly not in the Richmond system.
Also remember it's not Balmes job to know the weakness' of potential recruits as he doesn't watch them so he's quite irrelevantto this particular discussion.

Now, you keep Jackson on for a year as a part time consultant to the players and kids they are watching in this and next year's draft and help Clarke and Balme with the transition of paperwork, video and prospects.
Now, whether they listen to Jackson or not is a personal matter for the club but to not have Jackson there is detrimental to the club.
You cannot expect to guys to walk in and just take 4 years of Jackson's life straight away.

I doubt he'scosting us much at all, if anything for the odd consult on a kid throughout the year.

I think you're taking the wording of part time consultant a bit too literally.

Jackson's track record suggest he has all the wrong or irrelevant information.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

So Balmey is Richardsons boss - big tick

Richardson now oversee's the club’s list management strategy alongside player personnel chief Blair Hartley and report directly to Balmey - half a tick.

List management decisions with Hartley calling the shots has burnt us big time imo, not sure having Dan Richardson overseeing the operations helps greatly. But at least they report directly to Balme. Surely that extra link in the chain will avoid any major blunders

 

[Caveman68]

You're not listening.
Jackson has all the knowledge of any player under 18 (as far back as 15) as they study the kids for a long time.
This is information Balme and Clarke won't have - particularly not in the Richmond system.
Also remember it's not Balmes job to know the weakness' of potential recruits as he doesn't watch them so he's quite irrelevantto this particular discussion.

Now, you keep Jackson on for a year as a part time consultant to the players and kids they are watching in this and next year's draft and help Clarke and Balme with the transition of paperwork, video and prospects.
Now, whether they listen to Jackson or not is a personal matter for the club but to not have Jackson there is detrimental to the club.
You cannot expect to guys to walk in and just take 4 years of Jackson's life straight away.

I doubt he'scosting us much at all, if anything for the odd consult on a kid throughout the year.

I think you're taking the wording of part time consultant a bit too literally.

I am listening and I have appreciated your views so no need to be condescending. We just have a difference of opinion. I think Clarke as understudy would have as much info on kids as FJ and is more than capable of utilising this info with the mentoring of Balme.

 

[mopsy]

I love this board, the club gets on the front foot after something has clearly gone wrong in season 2016, the club announce changes will happen, they then make said changes, not renewing contracts for pretty much the whole FD, bring in Balme, one of the best in the business, make structural changes within the Recruiting department, land a big fish in Prestia nominating us as his club of choice, release statement saying that further changes will happen pending what Balmes input will be after getting his hands on it, club has put 3 of our first round under performing draft picks on the draft table that are all whipping boys at Richmond, yet, somehow people still find fault.

For some of us a clear case of too little too late. A lot of the things that have occured they have been dragged kicking and screaming to do them.
Many of them shouild have been addressed yrs ago and this boards failure to even recognise the need cannot just be wiped under the carpet.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

But you would expect a shake up there in any event. Chaplin gone, Edwards, who knows? Jack comes in...at the very least.

I've heard no more Cotchin captain too but we will see.

 

[1980]

Don't underestimate how hard the AFL were gunning for Balme to go up to Brisbane.
We acted swiftly and with purpose.
Some credit to the club on this from me.

He was never ever going to Brisbane Tugga. He found Geelong too far to travel to and a big reason for joining the Pies was to be in Melbourne.

 

[TigerImposter]

Expecting it all to happen in one day were you?
No wonder people think you're a joke.

Who said one day ? Are you serious or naive? It's only been seven years and we have the four biggest offenders of our failures still In the FD . Rather silly or arrogant response from you , but that's becoming a norm of late.