Review Review of St Kilda drafting 2006 - present

[SaintsSeptember]

Some of us were expressing concern during 2010 (and post 2009 with Lovett and even further back with Brad Howard, Matthew Clarke and Fraser Gehrig).

I called out "sack the coach" during the first game of 2007, though I did change my mind at some point, maybe march 2008.

 

[Squizz]

I called out "sack the coach" during the first game of 2007, though I did change my mind at some point, maybe march 2008.

OK, OK ... you were first

Looks like we were polar opposites. I joined BF to chat about where the _uck we were headed and what we were going to do in that year's draft to address it.

You got all positive after a year of bitching and joined?

Don't get me wrong. I want the guys to play finals and be competitive with the best of them. But I didn't think it was too hard to put some resources into recruiting and get some good kids to put some money in the piggy bank each year. Particularly when the team had players like Riewoldt, Hayes, Goddard, Dal Santo, Fisher, Blake, Baker, Montagna, Milne, Gardiner, Hudghton, Ball and Gram in it.

Maybe it is due to a background of watching the Saints though the 1980s, where a star like Lockett would occasionally appear to lift the gloom, but I like seeing the younger guys develop and come through the ranks.

 

[Crippa2Sipa]

( I kind of think the Leigh Tudor forward pressure thing may have taken him by surprise ).

SOS, in his interview with Leigh Matthews this year, described the forward press as "Ross's brain child".

I know what you mean though..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

SOS, in his interview with Leigh Matthews this year, described the forward press as "Ross's brain child".

I know what you mean though..

There were little snippetts like this though, that suggested that Tudor was "involved". ( Not sure what happened to the importance of kicking).
http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=483770

I didnt see the forward pressure thing coming.
Coming into 2008 I was pretty confident about:
1. The Saints having the best backline in the AFL with Hudghton, Fisher, Gilbert, Gram, BJ and Blake. Max was back and fit. Great depth with very promising performances by Rookie Jayden Attard, he'll be great when he comes back from injury... won't he?

2. Young David Armitage was surely going to have a breakout season, and Jarryn Geary had an impressive start to 2008 with 21 disposals in round 1.

3. Schnieder had a good name, and Stephen King would surely be an improvement over Clarke/Rix/Kosi.

4. Big Frase was going round again.. surely he'll kick 70 odd and Jarryd Allen had looked the goods playing for the Scorps. This was going to be Kosi's breakout year.

5. Young Luke Miles was on the rookie list, mature age and one of the fastest players out there.

6. Surely after making a return late in 2007, and after a preseason, Matt Maguire was due for a big return. Xavier Clarke seemed to be holding his fitness too.

Not very good at it am I

 

[stkildathunda]

Want to see something scary??? Here is Collingwoods drafting since 2005-2009. Its kinda scary when you look at it compared to ours!!!

2005
Dale Thomas
Scott Pendlebury
Danny Stanley Gold Coast
Ryan Cook
John Anthony - Fremantle
Sam Iles - Gold Coast
Alan Toovey (Rookie)
Daniel Nicholls
Shannon Cox

2006
Ben Reid
Nathan Brown
Chris Dawes
Brad Dick
Tyson Goldsack
Chris Bryan
Sharrod Wellingham (R)
Brent Macaffer (R)
Martin Clarke (R)

2007
John McCarthy
Tobias Thoolen
Jaxson Barham
Luke Casey-Leigh
Kevin Dyas

2008
Steele Sidebottom
Dayne Beams
Jarrad Blight
Luke Rounds
Leigh Brown
Tristan Francis
Jarryd Blair (R)
Johnny Bennell
Tobias Thoolen
Lachlan Keeffe
Scott Reed

2009
Luke Ball
Ben Sinclair
Josh Thomas
Simon Buckley
Thomas Hunter
Jack Carter
Shae McNamara

 

[stkildathunda]

and Geelong in same time frame

2005
Travis Varcoe
Trent West
Stephen Owen
Ryan Gamble St Kilda
Mathew Stokes
Todd Grima
Will Slade
Sam Hunt

2006
Joel Selwood
Nathan Djerrkura Western Bulldogs
Tom Hawkins
Simon Hogan
Joel Reynolds
Liam Bedford
Jason Davenport
Tom Lonergan (R)

2007
Harry Taylor
Dawson Simpson
Scott Simpson
Dan McKenna
Adam Donohue
Brodie Moles Western Bulldogs
Jeremy Laidler Carlton
Chris Kangars
Shane Mumford Sydney

2008
Mitchell Brown
Thomas Gillies
Steven Motlop
Taylor Hunt
Adam Varcoe
Bryn Weadon
Tom Allwright

2009
Daniel Menzel
Mitchell Duncan
Allen Christensen
Nathan Vardy
Josh Cowan
Jack Weston
Ben Johnson
James Podsiadly
Jesse Stringer
Ranga Ediriwickrama

 

[stkildathunda]

From 2005-2009 this is how the 3 clubs have gone

Saints 11 from 48 left
Pies 22 from 41 left
Cats 22 from 42 left

That has to be very worrying, but lets hope with Pelchan there it changes.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Do one of Hawthorn please

 

[stkildathunda]

Do one of Hawthorn please

Hawthorn 17/48

2005
Xavier Ellis
Beau Dowler
Grant Birchall
Max Bailey
Beau Muston
Travis Tuck
Brent Guerra
Luke McEntee
Lukas Markovic Western Bulldogs
Stephen Gilham
Ben Kane
Ben McGlynn Sydney

2006
Mitchell Thorp
Brent Renouf
Jarryd Morton
Josh Kennedy Sydney
Garry Moss
Josh Thurgood
Brett Collins
Matthew Suckling (R)
Sam Gibson

2007
Cyril Rioli
Brendan Whitecross
Stuart Dew
Hugh Sandilands
Timothy Walsh
RAlex Grima

2008
Ryan Schoenmakers
Liam Shiels
Jordan Lisle Brisbane
Luke Lowden
Shane Savage
Riley Milne
Haydn Kiel
Luke Breust
Carl Peterson
Garry Moss
Matthew Suckling
William Sierakowski North Melbourne
Cameron Stokes

2009
Sam Grimley
Benjamin Stratton
Jordan Williams 0
Rhan Hooper 6
Taylor Duryea
Wayde Skipper
arrod Kayler-Thomson
Michael Johnston

 

[sammm]

From 2005-2009 this is how the 3 clubs have gone

Saints 11 from 48 left
Pies 22 from 41 left
Cats 22 from 42 left

That has to be very worrying, but lets hope with Pelchan there it changes.

thats shocking!!!!

very worrying! lets hope this academy works, and better development of players happen. otherwise we will be in the poo in a couple of years

 

[saintsrfreak]

Hopefully Pelch goes as well as he did in 2008.
Breust
Savage
Shiels
Suckling
And to a lesser extent Schoenmakers

 

[stkildathunda]

Hopefully Pelch goes as well as he did in 2008.
Breust
Savage
Shiels
Suckling
And to a lesser extent Schoenmakers

Id love Schoe in our team. Still young but will be a gun.

 

[sammm]

Want to see something scary??? Here is Collingwoods drafting since 2005-2009. Its kinda scary when you look at it compared to ours!!!

2005
Dale Thomas
Scott Pendlebury
Danny Stanley Gold Coast
Ryan Cook
John Anthony - Fremantle
Sam Iles - Gold Coast
Alan Toovey (Rookie)
Daniel Nicholls
Shannon Cox

2006
Ben Reid
Nathan Brown
Chris Dawes
Brad Dick
Tyson Goldsack
Chris Bryan
Sharrod Wellingham (R)
Brent Macaffer (R)
Martin Clarke (R)

2007
John McCarthy
Tobias Thoolen
Jaxson Barham
Luke Casey-Leigh
Kevin Dyas

2008
Steele Sidebottom
Dayne Beams
Jarrad Blight
Luke Rounds
Leigh Brown
Tristan Francis
Jarryd Blair (R)
Johnny Bennell
Tobias Thoolen
Lachlan Keeffe
Scott Reed

2009
Luke Ball
Ben Sinclair
Josh Thomas
Simon Buckley
Thomas Hunter
Jack Carter
Shae McNamara

its no fluke,
they do have nearly 1 coach for 2 players or 1 coach for each player. Its no wonder they don't get rid of many players.

they have to spend their millions on something

 

[sharks33]

Which sort of lines up with my other regret regarding the curse of Gehrig.
Some of the other teams seem to pick them up no worries.

Jack RIEWOLDT was taken after Armitage. Is there something about that name... nah plenty of Jacks around. Then there was Kurt Tippett taken a few after Howard.
We could have even got Jesse White with the pick we used to redraft Ferguson.

Freo picked up recycled Kepler Bradley well after the pick we used to redraft Gehrig.

Why isn't Mitch Brown, ( taken with Geelong's first pick a couple after Tom Lynch ) , disgruntled by the lack of opportunity? A question for any Tom's that may have got disgruntled and asked to be traded.

How annoying is it for the Cats to just grab Podsiadly out of the VFL.

Jack Darling last year.

Mitch Brown hasnt been available for selection very often. Broke his leg in a practice match and missed his whole first year, then he rebroke it and missed 90% of 2010 but made about a 5 game VFL comeback until he did his shoulder, then made into the team this year until he did his shoulder again. Has only played 2 afl games but he has rarely been available and hasnt played much VFL.

 

[Squizz]

Mitch Brown hasnt been available for selection very often. Broke his leg in a practice match and missed his whole first year, then he rebroke it and missed 90% of 2010 but made about a 5 game VFL comeback until he did his shoulder, then made into the team this year until he did his shoulder again. Has only played 2 afl games but he has rarely been available and hasnt played much VFL.

Whilst I'm sure you know him better than me, I couldn't help but be impressed with the 5 goals he kicked against Sandringham early in the season - after kicking 7 the week before.

I nearly choked on my brekkie when I saw the respective club summaries. Urgh.

The Academy will go a long way to addressing this, but it will take years to flow through. Hopefully the Saints can keep the resources in place (i.e. maintain funding) once it gets established.

 

[sharks33]

Whilst I'm sure you know him better than me, I couldn't help but be impressed with the 5 goals he kicked against Sandringham early in the season - after kicking 7 the week before.

I nearly choked on my brekkie when I saw the respective club summaries. Urgh.

The Academy will go a long way to addressing this, but it will take years to flow through. Hopefully the Saints can keep the resources in place (i.e. maintain funding) once it gets established.

when he has played he has been impressive, he has only played such few AFL games due to injury though, not his vfl form. If he had played as many games as lynch and walsh in the vfl i would argue that he would have played a lot more AFL footy. Brown has no reason to complain of lacking opportunity, he has been extremely unfortunate with injuries but once fit he was straight in after only a couple of VFL games.

 

[Kildonan]

Player List 2011

   Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
   7 Hayes, Lenny          241 31 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        236 31 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        219 29 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       216 27 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"]10 Baker, Steven         203 31 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield[/COLOR]  
  27 Blake, Jason          199 30 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  13 Schneider, Adam       187 27 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      185 26 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  [COLOR="red"]15 Gardiner, Michael     181 32 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck[/COLOR] 
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    176 29 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  11 Montagna, Leigh       169 27 11 Nov 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  25 Fisher, Sam           167 29 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  22 Ray, Farren           146 25 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
   1 Gram, Jason           139 27 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  24 Dempster, Sean        119 27 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
  30 Peake, Brett          117 28 05 Jul 1983 186cm  88kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  19 Gilbert, Sam          110 25 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
   4 Jones, Clinton         97 27 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  [COLOR="red"]32 McQualter, Andrew      89 25 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield[/COLOR]  
  33 Gwilt, James           82 25 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
   8 Clarke, Raphael        82 26 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
   [COLOR="red"]6 Dawson, Zac            77 25 22 Feb 1986 195cm  95kg Doutta Stars        Defence[/COLOR]
  34 Polo, Dean             71 25 05 Aug 1986 187cm  84kg Richmond            Defence
   5 McEvoy, Ben            53 22 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  14 Geary, Jarryn          52 23 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  20 Armitage, David        50 23 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  [COLOR="red"]16 Gamble, Ryan           35 24 23 Sep 1987 184cm  85kg Geelong Cats        Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]40 Eddy, Robert (R)       33 23 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield[/COLOR]
   3 Steven, Jack           30 21 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  28 Stanley, Rhys           9 20 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
  [COLOR="red"]29 Lynch, Tom              6 20 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham        Forward[/COLOR]
   2 Siposs, Arryn           5 18 25 Nov 1992 188.0cm 82.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  35 Cripps, Jamie           4 19 23 Apr 1992 183.0cm 75.0kg East Fremantle
  [COLOR="red"]21 Heyne, Nicholas         3 21 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost             Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]39 Smith, Alistair         3 21 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth              Midfield[/COLOR]
  47 Simpkin, Tom            2 21 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 20 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont          Defence
  37 Ledger, Tom             2 19 17 Mar 1992 178.0cm 73.0kg Claremont
  [COLOR="red"]38 Johnson, Will           1 21 26 Oct 1989 191.0cm 90.0kg Sandringham        Forward[/COLOR]
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)*     1 19 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence 
  [COLOR="blue"]?? Milera, Terry           0 23 08 Jan 1988 185.0cm 68.0kg Port Adelaide[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Red"]36 Walsh, Tommy (R)        0 23 26 Feb 1988 195.0cm 95.0kg County Kerry[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]?? Saad, Ahmed             0 22 09 Oct 1989 175.0cm 74.0kg Northern Bullants[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]49 Gaertner, Steven (R)    0 21 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]41 Cahill, Paul            0 21 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt              Forward[/COLOR]
  46 Andreoli, Warrick (R)   0 19 28 Feb 1992 183.0cm 73.0kg South Fremantle
   9 Crocker, Sam            0 19 12 Mar 1992 178.0cm 71.0kg Oakleigh Chargers
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 19 29 Jul 1992 178.0cm 78.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 18 23 Oct 1992 193.7cm 86.0kg Holroyd-Parramatta

Main List Players
Out:
Michael Gardiner (Retired)
Steven Baker (Delisted)
Andrew McQualter (Delisted)
Al Smith (Delisted)
Nick Heyne (Delisted)
Paul Cahill (Delisted)
Ryan Gamble (Delisted)
Will Johnson (Delisted)
Zac Dawson (Probably Delisted)
Tom Lynch (Traded to Adelaide)

In:
Ahmed Saad (Trade - previously listed player, GWS)
Terry Milera (Trade - previously listed player, GWS)

Rookie-listed players
Out:
Steven Gaertner (Retired)
Robert Eddy (Delisted)
Tom Walsh (Traded to Sydney)

We have delisted 10 primary listed players and replaced 2 of them already - leaving 8 spots

St Kilda will most likely make 6 selections in the AFL National Draft using picks 25, 35, 37, 42, 60 and 68.

They most likely will also promote a rookie (?Archer) with a later pick filling the 7th spot and freeing up another rookie spot.

I wonder if they will promote a second rookie (?Curren) or make a seventh selection in the draft now that Dawson has quit.

Player List 2012

   Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
   7 Hayes, Lenny          241 31 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        236 31 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        219 29 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       216 27 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  27 Blake, Jason          199 30 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  13 Schneider, Adam       187 27 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      185 26 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    176 29 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  11 Montagna, Leigh       169 27 11 Nov 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  25 Fisher, Sam           167 29 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  22 Ray, Farren           146 25 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
   1 Gram, Jason           139 27 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  24 Dempster, Sean        119 27 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
  30 Peake, Brett          117 28 05 Jul 1983 186cm  88kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  19 Gilbert, Sam          110 25 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
   4 Jones, Clinton         97 27 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  33 Gwilt, James           82 25 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
   8 Clarke, Raphael        82 26 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
  34 Polo, Dean             71 25 05 Aug 1986 187cm  84kg Richmond            Defence
   5 McEvoy, Ben            53 22 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  14 Geary, Jarryn          52 23 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  20 Armitage, David        50 23 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
   3 Steven, Jack           30 21 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  28 Stanley, Rhys           9 20 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
   2 Siposs, Arryn           5 18 25 Nov 1992 188.0cm 82.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  35 Cripps, Jamie           4 19 23 Apr 1992 183.0cm 75.0kg East Fremantle
  47 Simpkin, Tom            2 21 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 20 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont          Defence
  37 Ledger, Tom             2 19 17 Mar 1992 178.0cm 73.0kg Claremont
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)*     1 20 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence 
  [COLOR="blue"]?? Milera, Terry           0 23 08 Jan 1988 185.0cm 68.0kg Port Adelaide[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]?? Saad, Ahmed             0 22 09 Oct 1989 175.0cm 74.0kg Northern Bullants[/COLOR]
  46 Andreoli, Warrick (R)   0 19 28 Feb 1992 183.0cm 73.0kg South Fremantle
   9 Crocker, Sam            0 19 12 Mar 1992 178.0cm 71.0kg Oakleigh Chargers
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 19 29 Jul 1992 178.0cm 78.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 19 23 Oct 1992 193.7cm 86.0kg Holroyd-Parramatta

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

If Dawson goes, don't be surprised to see us partake in the Pre Season Draft.

 

[Kildonan]

The Saints were contenders during this period and had fairly high finishes. The draft picks reflected this so that even our first round pick was a high number.

Teams that the Saints are being arbitrarily compared with for drafting success often have had much lower picks, giving them a better chance of success.

 

[Zagg]

Sometimes you just have to put you hand up and admit that our drafting has stunk. From 2006 (excluding 2011) the only two potential A-graders we've drafted look like being Steven & McEvoy. We completely butchered a superdraft in 2008 & a decent draft in 2009.

Looking at Geelong's and Collingwood's lists it's clear that good drafting is key, and that it can be done without early picks. We should never use having high picks as an excuse for bad drafting! Every year some good players are taken later in the draft - we just need to work harder and finding them and developing them.

 

[stkildathunda]

The Saints were contenders during this period and had fairly high finishes. The draft picks reflected this so that even our first round pick was a high number.

Teams that the Saints are being arbitrarily compared with for drafting success often have had much lower picks, giving them a better chance of success.

I deliberately choose those 3 teams to compare it to as they have all won a premiership & been up at same mark as us over the period. If you go and compare it to Richmond or Port then thats when you dont get the fair comparison.

 

[Baldur]

There is no doubt that our drafting in the second half of the last decade has been very poor. The core of the team remains the guys drafted in the first half of the decade with too few helpers since.

 

[A balanced view]

When reviewing St kilda's drafting from 2006 to 2009 I do think people have lumped in 2007 as poor. This l feel is unfair. If you look at that draft and compare it to Geelong's, who have two players remaining ( Simpson and Taylor) and then Colling wood who have none. St Kilda by comparison have McEvoy pick 9 and Steven pick 42.
On my assessment I believe St Kilda is at least equal to Geelong and has beatin Collingwood.

 

[StFly]

When reviewing St kilda's drafting from 2006 to 2009 I do think people have lumped in 2007 as poor. This l feel is unfair. If you look at that draft and compare it to Geelong's, who have two players remaining ( Simpson and Taylor) and then Colling wood who have none. St Kilda by comparison have McEvoy pick 9 and Steven pick 42.
On my assessment I believe St Kilda is at least equal to Geelong and has beatin Collingwood.

It's also unfair considering we've effectively gutted the club during that time (Butterrs ticket v Footy First ticket) which has seen a pretty massive fundamental shift as far as AFL clubs go, whilst Geelong & Collingwood have remained rather static in this regard.

Effectively it's hard to both recruit and keep kids at the club when you're spending nothing on the footy department compared to 4 years later expanding spending by 300% into the department and moving into multimillion dollar facilities. It's night and day stuff.

 

[A balanced view]

And if we fast forward to the 2010 draft and look at Collingwood, who have already delisted, Farmer and Stubbs.
I think there is some chance St Kilda's group of, Cripps, Crocker, Ledger and Siposs will at least match, Fasolo, Ugle and Seedsman.