Review Review of St Kilda drafting 2006 - present

[SaintsSeptember]

Re: 2012 St Kilda player list

You have to wonder about Rix.
While I never rated him much, neither did I rate Pattison.
We had two years where Rix wasn't required.
2008 ( played 1 game ) and 2009 ( delisted at the end of 2008)
Then we got Pattison for the 2010 season.

Why not have just kept Rix???

I find all this churning around of mediocre players pretty frustrating.

 

[Squizz]

Re: 2012 St Kilda player list

I find all this churning around of mediocre players pretty frustrating.

Same.

Rix was a 200cm meat-axe that was delisted in the same year that we drafted a reject in Colm Begley - the theory escapes me.

We then pick up Patto who, although being backup to the backup, was quite right in pointing out that adjusting to a Ross Lyon game plan (as a bit-part player) is not an overnight process. With the retirement of King, Gardi on the verge of retirement, and McGrath not working out, it was a strange decision.

Luckily McEvoy has been pretty resilient - if he wasn't we were horribly exposed. This is still an issue, but at least Kosi is now fit and Rhys is less of a praying mantis.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Re: 2012 St Kilda player list

Not sure if this is the relevant thread, it concerns the list I guess. I wish we would lock BJ into a four year deal already, the media is going to be excruciating next year with the GWS rumours.

Or finish last next season and Goddard leaves giving us band 1 compo.

Of course I would prefer him to remain.

 

[Kildonan]

Player List 2011 with delisted players in red

   Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
   7 Hayes, Lenny          241 31 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        236 31 08 Mar 1980 176cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        219 29 17 Oct 1982 193cm  92kg Southport           Forward    
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       216 27 22 Feb 1984 185cm  83kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"]10 Baker, Steven         203 31 22 May 1980 179cm  83kg Geelong Falcons     Midfield[/COLOR]  
  27 Blake, Jason          199 30 15 Mar 1981 189cm  87kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  13 Schneider, Adam       187 27 12 May 1984 179cm  79kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      185 26 20 May 1985 191cm  96kg Traralgon           Utility 
  [COLOR="red"]15 Gardiner, Michael     181 32 05 Jul 1979 199cm  99kg Claremont           Ruck[/COLOR] 
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    176 29 20 Sep 1982 197cm  96kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  11 Montagna, Leigh       169 27 11 Nov 1983 178cm  76kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  25 Fisher, Sam           167 29 10 Jul 1982 192cm  88kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  22 Ray, Farren           146 25 29 Mar 1986 187cm  84kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
   1 Gram, Jason           139 27 27 Apr 1984 186cm  84kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  24 Dempster, Sean        119 27 20 Jan 1984 192cm  87kg Gippsland U18       Defence
  30 Peake, Brett          117 28 05 Jul 1983 186cm  88kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  19 Gilbert, Sam          110 25 19 Aug 1986 194cm  82kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
   4 Jones, Clinton         97 27 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  [COLOR="red"]32 McQualter, Andrew      89 25 09 Jun 1986 179cm  79kg Gippsland Power     Midfield[/COLOR]  
  33 Gwilt, James           82 25 11 Aug 1986 188cm  88kg Noble Park          Utility  
   8 Clarke, Raphael        82 26 24 Sep 1985 188cm  82kg St Mary's           Defence  
   [COLOR="red"]6 Dawson, Zac            77 25 22 Feb 1986 195cm  95kg Doutta Stars        Defence[/COLOR]
  34 Polo, Dean             71 25 05 Aug 1986 187cm  84kg Richmond            Defence
   5 McEvoy, Ben            53 22 11 Jul 1989 200.2cm 94.6kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  14 Geary, Jarryn          52 23 23 Jun 1988 182.1cm 77.0kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
  20 Armitage, David        50 23 16 Jun 1988 183.5cm 80.0kg Morningside        Midfield
  [COLOR="red"]16 Gamble, Ryan           35 24 23 Sep 1987 184cm  85kg Geelong Cats        Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]40 Eddy, Robert (R)       33 23 07 Jan 1988 181.7cm 85.0kg Gippsland Power    Midfield[/COLOR]
   3 Steven, Jack           30 21 28 Mar 1990 180.0cm 76.4kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  28 Stanley, Rhys           9 20 01 Dec 1990 200.4cm 88.5kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
  [COLOR="red"]29 Lynch, Tom              6 20 15 Sep 1990 191.7cm 85.2kg Sandringham        Forward[/COLOR]
   2 Siposs, Arryn           5 18 25 Nov 1992 188.0cm 82.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  35 Cripps, Jamie           4 19 23 Apr 1992 183.0cm 75.0kg East Fremantle
  [COLOR="red"]21 Heyne, Nicholas         3 21 22 Jul 1990 188.2cm 79.1kg Orbost             Forward[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]39 Smith, Alistair         3 21 08 Aug 1990 183.5cm 79.0kg Perth              Midfield[/COLOR]
  47 Simpkin, Tom            2 21 07 Aug 1990 191.0cm 83.0kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 20 27 Apr 1991 189.0cm 77.0kg Claremont          Defence
  37 Ledger, Tom             2 19 17 Mar 1992 178.0cm 73.0kg Claremont
  [COLOR="red"]38 Johnson, Will           1 21 26 Oct 1989 191.0cm 90.0kg Sandringham        Forward[/COLOR]
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)*     1 19 26 Oct 1991 193.0cm 98.0kg Clarence 
  [COLOR="Red"]36 Walsh, Tommy (R)        0 23 26 Feb 1988 195.0cm 95.0kg County Kerry[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]49 Gaertner, Steven (R)    0 21 02 Jan 1990 199.0cm 87.0kg Dandenong Stingrays Defence[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="red"]41 Cahill, Paul            0 21 18 Aug 1990 193.1cm 80.7kg Sturt              Forward[/COLOR]
  46 Andreoli, Warrick (R)   0 19 28 Feb 1992 183.0cm 73.0kg South Fremantle
   9 Crocker, Sam            0 19 12 Mar 1992 178.0cm 71.0kg Oakleigh Chargers
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 19 29 Jul 1992 178.0cm 78.0kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 18 23 Oct 1992 193.7cm 86.0kg Holroyd-Parramatta

Main List Players
Out:
Michael Gardiner (Retired)
Steven Baker (Delisted)
Andrew McQualter (Delisted - now Gold Coast)
Al Smith (Delisted)
Nick Heyne (Delisted - now Carlton)
Paul Cahill (Delisted)
Ryan Gamble (Delisted)
Will Johnson (Delisted)
Zac Dawson (Delisted - now Fremantle)
Tom Lynch (Traded to Adelaide)
Jason Blake (Delisted - in order to be removed from veteran list)

In:
Trade
Ahmed Saad (GWS prelisted player)
Terry Milera (GWS prelisted player)

National Draft
Pick 25: Sebastian Ross (Midfielder) From: North Ballarat Rebels, Vic
Pick 35: Daniel Markworth (Medium Forward) From: Calder Cannons, Vic
Pick 37: Jack Newnes (Midfielder) From: Northern Knights, Vic
Pick 42: Jimmy Webster (Forward / Mid) From: Glenorchy, Tas
Pick 60: Jay Lever (Tall Defender) From: Geelong Falcons, Vic
Pick 68: Beau Wilkes (Key Forward/Defender) From: West Coast Eagles
Pick 76: Jason Blake (Utility/Defender) From: St Kilda

Rookie-listed players
Out:
Steven Gaertner (Retired)
Robert Eddy (Delisted)
Tom Walsh (Traded to Sydney)

In:
Rookie Draft
Pick #12 Sam Dunell (Bendigo Bombers/Old Melbournians)
Pick #30 Cameron Shenton (Norwood/Golden Grove)
Pick #48 Jordan Staley (Gippsland Power/Foster)
Pick #65 Darren Minchington (Dandenong Stingrays/Dromana)

Player List 2012 Age Order (New players in Blue)

   Name                  Games Age Birth Date Height Weight Origin          Position  
   7 Hayes, Lenny          241 31 14 Jan 1980 186cm  85kg Pennant Hills       Midfield  
  44 Milne, Stephen        236 31 08 Mar 1980 176cm  83kg Dandenong Stingrays Forward  
  27 Blake, Jason          199 30 15 Mar 1981 189cm  90kg Beaumaris           Utility  
  25 Fisher, Sam           167 29 10 Jul 1982 192cm  92kg West Adelaide       Defender  
  23 Koschitzke, Justin    176 29 20 Sep 1982 197cm  93kg Murray Bushrangers  KPP  
  12 Riewoldt, Nick        219 29 17 Oct 1982 193cm  96kg Southport           Forward    
  30 Peake, Brett          117 28 05 Jul 1983 186cm  85kg Fremantle           Fwd/Mid
  11 Montagna, Leigh       169 28 11 Nov 1983 178cm  78kg Northern Knights    Midfield  
  24 Dempster, Sean        119 27 20 Jan 1984 192cm  86kg Gippsland U18       Defence
   4 Jones, Clinton         97 27 02 Feb 1984 183cm  83kg South Fremantle     Midfield
  26 Dal Santo, Nick       216 27 22 Feb 1984 185cm  84kg Bendigo Pioneers    Midfield  
   1 Gram, Jason           139 27 27 Apr 1984 186cm  88kg Gippsland Power     Defence  
  13 Schneider, Adam       187 27 12 May 1984 175cm  78kg Osbourne            Forward
  18 Goddard, Brendon      185 26 20 May 1985 191cm  93kg Traralgon           Utility 
   8 Clarke, Raphael        82 26 24 Sep 1985 188cm  85kg St Mary's           Defence  
[COLOR="Blue"]  37 Wilkes, Beau           23 25 20 Mar 1986 194cm  98kg West Coast[/COLOR] 
  22 Ray, Farren           146 25 29 Mar 1986 187cm  83kg Peel Thunder        Midfield 
  34 Polo, Dean             71 25 05 Aug 1986 187cm  86kg Richmond            Defence
  33 Gwilt, James           82 25 11 Aug 1986 188cm  94kg Noble Park          Utility  
  19 Gilbert, Sam          110 25 19 Aug 1986 194cm  90kg Southport           Defence
  [COLOR="Red"]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="blue"]32 Milera, Terry           0 23 08 Jan 1988 185cm  68kg Port Adelaide[/COLOR]
  20 Armitage, David        50 23 16 Jun 1988 183cm  84kg Morningside        Midfield
  14 Geary, Jarryn          52 23 23 Jun 1988 183cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers   Midfield
   5 McEvoy, Ben            53 22 11 Jul 1989 200cm  98kg Murray Bushrangers Ruck
  [COLOR="Blue"]21 Saad, Ahmed             0 22 09 Oct 1989 175cm  74kg Northern Bullants[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]38 Dunell, Sam (R)         0 21 21 Feb 1990 190cm  81kg Bendigo[/COLOR] 
   3 Steven, Jack           30 21 28 Mar 1990 180cm  79kg Geelong Falcons    Midfield  
  47 Simpkin, Tom            2 21 07 Aug 1990 191cm  91kg Geelong Falcons    Defence
  [COLOR="Blue"]39 Shenton, Cameron (R)    0 21 27 Sep 1990 188cm  84kg Norwood/Golden[/COLOR] 
  28 Stanley, Rhys           9 21 01 Dec 1990 200cm  95kg West Adelaide      Ruck   
  17 Winmar, Nicholas        2 20 27 Apr 1991 189cm  81kg Claremont          Defence
  42 Archer, Daniel (R)      1 20 26 Oct 1991 193cm  99kg Clarence 
  46 Andreoli, Warrick (R)   0 19 28 Feb 1992 183cm  73kg South Fremantle
   9 Crocker, Sam            0 19 12 Mar 1992 178cm  71kg Oakleigh Chargers
  15 Ledger, Tom             2 19 17 Mar 1992 178cm  73kg Claremont
[COLOR="Blue"]  10 Markworth, Daniel       0 19 03 Apr 1992 189cm  76kg Calder Cannons[/COLOR]
  35 Cripps, Jamie           4 19 23 Apr 1992 183cm  75kg East Fremantle
  43 Curren, Thomas (R)      0 19 29 Jul 1992 178cm  78kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Ferguson, Jackson (R)   0 19 23 Oct 1992 194cm  86kg Holroyd-Parramatta
   2 Siposs, Arryn           5 19 25 Nov 1992 188cm  82kg Dandenong Stingrays
[COLOR="Blue"]  16 Newnes, Jack            0 18 24 Feb 1993 184cm  73kg Northern Knights[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]   6 Ross, Sebastian         0 18 07 May 1993 187cm  82kg North Ballarat Rebels[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]  36 Lever, Jay              0 18 15 Jun 1993 200cm  86kg Geelong Falcons[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]  29 Webster, Jimmy          0 18 28 Jun 1993 187cm  72kg Glenorchy[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]40 Staley, Jordan (R)      0 18 14 Jul 1993 194cm  90kg Gippsland[/COLOR]
  [COLOR="Blue"]41 Minchington, Darren (R) 0 18 09 Dec 1993 179cm  80kg Dandenong[/COLOR]

 

[Squizz]

To be fair to the Saints' recruiters, I noticed that the Zebs have signed Myke Cook, who was delisted by the Crows after 4 years on the list. Pick 38 in 2007 (noting Chris Mayne at #40 and Jack Steven at #42). Originally from A2R's zone (St Bedes).

 

[Squizz]

Whilst not totally relevant to the thread, Will Johnson seems like he's scoping for a club (might not be at the Zebs).

Alias (Perth) and Cahill (Sturt) have gone home. Seems Vegas will too (Glenelg).

 

[sammm]

To be fair to the Saints' recruiters, I noticed that the Zebs have signed Myke Cook, who was delisted by the Crows after 4 years on the list. Pick 38 in 2007 (noting Chris Mayne at #40 and Jack Steven at #42). Originally from A2R's zone (St Bedes).

i don't even know why myke cook is. by the way squizzy what does it have to do with the saints recruiters?

 

[Squizz]

i don't even know why myke cook is. by the way squizzy what does it have to do with the saints recruiters?

Cook - who will now be playing alongside our guys in the VFL - has played 14 AFL games, which is 14 more than me.

The point is that although we've had some really poor years of drafting, there is the odd gem like Steven - taken as a bottom age player in the same year as Cook (Steven could have played another year of U/18s).

 

[A balanced view]

Regards Steven pick 42, well done. I agree the Saints did well there. I think when reviewing drafting the important point is to note what picks the club had. In 2008, which a lot of people seem to forget, the Saints had picks, 13, 47 & 48 and then in the 60's and 70's.
I don't think even the harshes of critics could claim they are blue chip picks. The Saints took Lynch, fail? Well let's see. At least the club got something in return. Then they had to wait 34 picks before their next selection!
As mentioned previously, I haven't given up on Stanley. Now if he turns out a good ruckmen then we are well placed with two young rucks. May I also mention two of the hardest posts to fill. Just ask Hawthorn.
With the next pick Heyne who was taken after him that is a established AFL player?
Taylor Hunt and Shane Savage, looking ok but not established.
Remember the Saints took Simpkin in the rookie draft. Tom has along way to go but if he can establish himself as a regular back and we factor in the Saints were the Saints selections were, then things don't look as bad as some negative people claim. LET'S WAiT AND SEE!!!

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

To be fair to the Saints' recruiters, I noticed that the Zebs have signed Myke Cook, who was delisted by the Crows after 4 years on the list. Pick 38 in 2007 (noting Chris Mayne at #40 and Jack Steven at #42). Originally from A2R's zone (St Bedes).

Shame for Cook, had a chance but it seems no one on the Adelaide board ever rated him. Guess he got to live the dream 14 times at least though (Was an Adelaide supporter). Will be a decent pick up for the Zebs.

And yeah nice work for once with our recruiters seemingly getting that pick correct!

 

[A balanced view]

Well the whole 2007 draft/trade period wasn't too bad. was it? McEvoy and Steven drafted. Traded out of the draft, to get Schiender and Dempster. In my opinion, that's at least three 100 game players plus a handy role player.
Need to be careful here, as it may get too positive and then destroy the myth that the Saints are hopeless at drafting and trading.
But then again, they did play off for two flags and drew one. Lost the other by 12 points against a team that's won three out of five.
How did that happen?
Oh yeah, the papers/journalists tell us,"game plan". Must of been a great game plan as Saints can't draft or trade.
Lyon is a genius!!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I went back a bit earlier. I picked a random good performing team and compared it to a random poor team and StKilda.

I'm Compared, Richmond , StKilda , Carlton
StKilda's drafting has been better than Richmond, but it seems like that Cats pick up a decent player over and above what StKilda pick up just about every year.

If the life of a good AFL player is 10 years. To get 22 good players, we need to pick up a couple of good players every year.
1 is not enough.

While the cats have been a little bit lucky with F/S they seem to do a good job drafting, and when they trade ( Ottens) they pay good money for a good player, instead of trying to find a bargain in the NQR store.

2004, Saints went with with 3 recyclers McGough and Ackland and Knobel. None were sucessfull. It was a crappy draft but there were still some good players in there if we'd picked more. We did get lucky with Gwilt . McQualter average to say the least.

Cats were ispired to trade their first round pick ( and Moloney) for Ottens.
Their later pick for Prismal gave them a player probably better than McQualter.
Nathan Ablett F/S was OK until he got sick of it.
Their very late pick for the useful but short lived Egan was probably almost as good as StKilda's pick for Gwilt.

Richmond with a plethora of early picks got Deledio pick 1.
But then they got Tambling, Meyer, Pattison and Polo.
Why couldnt we have got Troy Simmonds for Black instead of that stupid 3 way with Fiora. They got the recycled Mark Graham, and Luke McGuane later in the draft.

Geelong : Good, StKilda : Average, Richmond: Extra pathetic.

2005
StKilda , Watts trade. No good. Sam Gilbert , Yep Michael Rix ... better than Ackland
Raymond and Sweeney, misses.

Cats: Varco , West and Stokes probably a good outcome , only missing with Gamble
Richmond.: Struck out.
Geelong: Good, StKilda: Average, Richmond: Very Poor.

StKilda : Only really Armitage, Birss trade didnt work out. We redrafted Ferguson ( could have got Jacobs for the ruck ).

Cats: Selwood, Djerkurra gave a late trade pick in 2010. Hawkins (lucky F/S), Hogan (still question Marks ).
Richmond: Jack R = Good, Edwards OK ish, Collins became Grigg.

StKilda Poor, Cats Average, Richmond Good.


2007:
StKilda Dempster Schnieder trade = Good. King Trade =Good.
Ben McEvoy Good. Jack Steven=Good. Fraser Gehrig????

Cats: Harry Taylor, Dawson Simpson pretty good.
Tigers: Mc Mahon ??? Cotchin, Rance, OK but with all their early picks they hardly did better than Geelong.

StKilda Good, Cats Very Good, Tigers Good.

2008:
StKilda Farren Ray trade OK.
Tom Lynch, Stanley Heyne , well they are all still on lists I suppose.

Cats: Mitch Brown, Motlop, Hunt. Pretty good again.

TIgers: Vickery OK , but otherwise an ordinary lot.
StKilda Poor, Cats Good, Tigers, Poor.

 

[A balanced view]

Let me state, Geelong's drafting is second to none. They are outstanding but if the Saints didn't fair better than them in 2007, I'll barrack for Collingwood. Seriously, do you believe if the Saints said to the Cats, "We will give you, McEvoy, Steven and Schiender for Taylor and Dawson Simpson", that they wouldn't seriously consider this.
Would you trade those players for Taylor and Simpson? Is Dawson Simpson good?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Let me state, Geelong's drafting is second to none. They are outstanding but if the Saints didn't fair better than them in 2007, I'll barrack for Collingwood. Seriously, do you believe if the Saints said to the Cats, "We will give you, McEvoy, Steven and Schiender for Taylor and Dawson Simpson", that they wouldn't seriously consider this.
Would you trade those players for Taylor and Simpson? Is Dawson Simpson good?

My error , but they were still good that year.
My point is they seem to pick up a couple of AFL level players each year.

 

[Squizz]

My error , but they were still good that year.

Note they rookied Mummy in 2007, which has given them Mitch Duncan (2009). Very good.

How about popping into 2009 when they went for Menzel the next choice after the Lovett pick?

Christensen (#40) and Vardy (#42) vs Winmar (#32).

Peake was a good trade, but they went and rookied Pods!

 

[A balanced view]

Thanks, appreciate that you can see both sides. You are spot on about Geelong. But I do believe there has been a perception in the footy world that the Saints have been hopeless in the draft and I honestly believe this to be incorrect.
09 was poor from the fact that the Lovett and Jesse Smith gamble didn't work. I don't think anyone one would disagree that both boys could play. Winmar is still a chance and we did get Walsh. Unfortunately, things didn't work out there but once again we got something for him and it helped with this years draft.
What's also forgotten is in, 07,08 and 09 we traded out of the draft. It is only in 10 were we kept our picks and in 11, for the first time in ages, we actually traded to get picks.
Geelong very rarely trade out of a draft. They invariably trade in. now that's a philosophy we need to adopt.
Remember, if you want to accurately review a draft, look at the clubs picks and where they are.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Thanks, appreciate that you can see both sides. You are spot on about Geelong. But I do believe there has been a perception in the footy world that the Saints have been hopeless in the draft and I honestly believe this to be incorrect.
09 was poor from the fact that the Lovett and Jesse Smith gamble didn't work. I don't think anyone one would disagree that both boys could play. Winmar is still a chance and we did get Walsh. Unfortunately, things didn't work out there but once again we got something for him and it helped with this years draft.
What's also forgotten is in, 07,08 and 09 we traded out of the draft. It is only in 10 were we kept our picks and in 11, for the first time in ages, we actually traded to get picks.
Geelong very rarely trade out of a draft. They invariably trade in. now that's a philosophy we need to adopt.
Remember, if you want to accurately review a draft, look at the clubs picks and where they are.

Agree completely.
But I can see why some trades seemed necessary.
Justin Peckett (retired)
Stephen Powell (retired)
Cain Ackland (delisted)
Thompson, Andrew (V+)
Gehrig, Fraser
Hamill, Aaron
Voss, Brett
Harvey, Robert (V+)
Fiora, Aaron ( Replacing Black)

Along with injuries to Maguire and others not long gone ( Aussie Jones), there was a fair whack of the 22 to replace.
The draft from 2003 - 2006 had been no great thing for the Saints either.
We ended up with a lot of plug gap players ( Gardiner, Birss, M Clarke ).
The good trades we got ( Schnieder , King, Gardiner (eventually) Dempster and Ray ) allowed the Saints to have the crack at the flag that they did.

But I cant understand why this approach was perpetuated. We were still mucking round getting Polo and Gamble four years later.

 

[NeXus_Ernie]

What really hurt us was Barry Brooks, Cayden Beetham and Andrew Lovett.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What really hurt us was Barry Brooks, Cayden Beetham and Andrew Lovett.

When you think of what was exchanged for Darren Jolly on TWO occasions, the price we paid for Brooks was mental.

 

[The Punter]

Nexus_Bert is next.

Brooks was ruined by that knee injury, Beetham never wanted it enough, and Lovett was a blunder of the highest order.

Ackland was top ten B&F in 2005, and rightly so, but late in 2005 injured a knee and was never quite as effective. He was clearly an upgrade on Knobel, but we never got really consistent production out of the ruck position after that until King and Gardiner in 2008/2009.

 

[goodie23]

Nexus_Bert is next.

Brooks was ruined by that knee injury, Beetham never wanted it enough, and Lovett was a blunder of the highest order.

Ackland was top ten B&F in 2005, and rightly so, but late in 2005 injured a knee and was never quite as effective. He was clearly an upgrade on Knobel, but we never got really consistent production out of the ruck position after that until King and Gardiner in 2008/2009.

The knee injury is irrelevant, what we paid for Brooks was lunacy. However you slice it, picks 8 AND 34 (later upgraded to 6 and 31 after Carlton's salary cap penalties) for an unblooded ruck who we had overlooked the year before with picks 2, 5 and 13 (he was taken at 15) was dumb at the time and incredibly dumb in hindsight. I still rate it as the worst trade we've ever done.

 

[The Punter]

It's certainly not irrelevant - he was never the same player after the knee injury, so that turns a poor trade into a horrendous one. On the other hand, he may have kicked on without that knee injury, but we'll never know. I suspect trading that much for a player who plays in a position the coach doesn't see as important was foolish, but a fit Brooks and Koschitzke swapping in the ruck and forward could have been something to see.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

6 and 31.
We could have got Hamish McIntosh ( who had his own issues but seems to have got there ) .
Its nearly what Wayne Carey cost Adelaide.
How was he worth anywhere near Everitt in trade value?

As usual Sydney win and we are shafted.

 

[ChrisFooty]

Barry Brooks trade would be just about the largest trading/drafting blunder in St.kilda's history. Way to go GT!

 

[sammm]

Barry Brooks trade would be just about the largest trading/drafting blunder in St.kilda's history. Way to go GT!

i don't know Watts or Lovett seem just as bad!