Club Focus Richmond 2024

[Ticky009]

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[Wrenny]

I’d push hard for 6 & 20, but ultimately settle for 6 & 18.

1 & 2 - get two of the best mids we rate which is a huge need

10 & 11 - Best KPF and Whoever is left out or Lindsay/Berry/Travaglia

20 & 23 & 24 - Best available

1 - FOS
2 - Lalor
10 - Armstrong
11 - Berry/Lindsay/Travaglia

It’s appealing, but I don’t mind if we take what we have and see who’s there.

 

[anotherletdown]

I’d push hard for 6 & 20, but ultimately settle for 6 & 18.

1 & 2 - get two of the best mids we rate which is a huge need

10 & 11 - Best KPF and Whoever is left out or Lindsay/Berry/Travaglia

20 & 23 & 24 - Best available

1 - FOS
2 - Lalor
10 - Armstrong
11 - Berry/Lindsay/Travaglia

It’s appealing, but I don’t mind if we take what we have and see who’s there.

That's all good but you should give us 23 and 24 for 19 and 44.

 

[tigs2010]

That's all good but you should give us 23 and 24 for 19 and 44.

 

[Sphynx]

I really hate it when people say there is no generational talent this year or similar, as if anyone has any clue what this kids are going to do or become over the next 15 years.

Dustin Martin wasn't Dustin Martin until he was. He was considered behind Scully the consensus number 1 and then he and Trengove were a lottery. Buddy Franklin had question marks on him and wasn't rated as highly as Deledio who was everyone's number 1. Nat Fyfe drifted past everyone, Patrick Dangerfield had half a dozen players taken before him. Alex Rance was a competitive athlete more than a footballer for the first 5 years of his AFL career.

People's opinions of kids at this point is meaningless, this draft could hold a multi brownlow winner or an 8x AA or 4 time Coleman medalist for all we know taken randomly in the first 20 picks.

It appears even and deep, but there's no ceiling on these kids, any of them could become greats.

Of course we have a clue.

Perfectly reasonable to make a judgement between relative strengths of years.

I’m sure you agree with the fact this draft is deep? It is. You can only make that call with a similar comparison.

I however also think the midfield group, which happen to also be the top 4-5 likely picks, is a tad overrated, as that tends to happen as you approach the draft.

There’s question marks on most of them, Draper and Smith less so, but there’s some points against each of these two also. More so than you tend to find in mids at this end of the draft in most years.

No chance in hell FOS goes pick 2 in most drafts with the year he’s had. This isn’t even a Wardlaw scenario (who had great form and missed most of the year and was viewed almost similarly to JHF in the Vic underage setups from about u/14’s onwards) FOS has played a vast portion of it and hardly fired a shot.

The Dusty comparisons to Lalor have no basis in any of the athletic testing. Dusty was extremely quick and despite his talk pre draft, posted really excellent endurance numbers for his body shape and playing style. Lalor is more Jake Stringer than Dustin Martin at the moment.

These are likely Pick 1 and Pick 2 in a midfield heavy draft.l as you’ve stated.

Then you have Draper, a really quiet start to the year with excellent SANFL performances and the athletic profile to warrant a top pick. Potential go home favor etc. There’s always been marks on his disposal.

Jagga is probably the one who’s had the consistent runs on the board, has somewhat the athletic profile of a top midfield pick. But he’s really not a lot different to someone like Caleb Serong who went at 8 in his draft year. Again, marks on his disposal.


Smillie had a really underwhelming season compared to what he promised to have at the start of the season. Can he transition into a AFL mid, or is he more Brodie Kemp than Patrick Cripps?

Langford had a season that would warrant a top pick, but he’d have to break barriers given his athletic testing in doing so.

That’s not to say that any of these guys couldn’t turn into superstars. They just carry far more question marks than normal at this end of the draft.

By extension I think the talls are vastly underrated, as well as some of the specialist positional players like the 3rd tall utility’s and small forwards.

In fact you could argue the true #1 picks are those like Travaglia on performance, upside, athletic profile etc. However he’s simply in a position that will never warrant that investment.

Armstrongs run came a little late, but was his year really much different to Aaron Cadman? You could argue it is potentially better on paper. Again, an example of the talls being undervalued vs other years imo.

I mentioned it on your board, but there’s not a hope in hell that any mid other than Levi may have been selected ahead of Reid or McKercher (which the Richmond board scoffed at), the same goes for Sheezel, Wardlaw, Ashcroft (compared to FOS) then you get to JHF, Callaghan, Daicos, then Rowell, Anderson etc.

This draft probably has 15 guys in it that might have had claims as a top 10 pick (and another 15 that would have claims as top 20 picks) in a lot of years, but the midfield group is certainly a weird one and would struggle to crack the top 4-5 of most years imo.

If Lalor does in fact go at #1 he’s probably the the most speculative top selection as a mid since Rayner imo. FOS would frank that as arguably the most #2 also. And that drafts midfield group is probably a very comparable one to this imo.

 

[Wrenny]

That's all good but you should give us 23 and 24 for 19 and 44.

 

[blaisee]

Of course we have a clue.

Perfectly reasonable to make a judgement between relative strengths of years.

I’m sure you agree with the fact this draft is deep? It is. You can only make that call with a similar comparison.

I however also think the midfield group, which happen to also be the top 4-5 likely picks, is a tad overrated, as that tends to happen as you approach the draft.

There’s question marks on most of them, Draper and Smith less so, but there’s some points against each of these two also. More so than you tend to find in mids at this end of the draft in most years.

No chance in hell FOS goes pick 2 in most drafts with the year he’s had. This isn’t even a Wardlaw scenario (who had great form and missed most of the year and was viewed almost similarly to JHF in the Vic underage setups from about u/14’s onwards) FOS has played a vast portion of it and hardly fired a shot.

The Dusty comparisons to Lalor have no basis in any of the athletic testing. Dusty was extremely quick and despite his talk pre draft, posted really excellent endurance numbers for his body shape and playing style. Lalor is more Jake Stringer than Dustin Martin at the moment.

These are likely Pick 1 and Pick 2 in a midfield heavy draft.l as you’ve stated.

Then you have Draper, a really quiet start to the year with excellent SANFL performances and the athletic profile to warrant a top pick. Potential go home favor etc. There’s always been marks on his disposal.

Jagga is probably the one who’s had the consistent runs on the board, has somewhat the athletic profile of a top midfield pick. But he’s really not a lot different to someone like Caleb Serong who went at 8 in his draft year. Again, marks on his disposal.


Smillie had a really underwhelming season compared to what he promised to have at the start of the season. Can he transition into a AFL mid, or is he more Brodie Kemp than Patrick Cripps?

Langford had a season that would warrant a top pick, but he’d have to break barriers given his athletic testing in doing so.

That’s not to say that any of these guys couldn’t turn into superstars. They just carry far more question marks than normal at this end of the draft.

By extension I think the talls are vastly underrated, as well as some of the specialist positional players like the 3rd tall utility’s and small forwards.

In fact you could argue the true #1 picks are those like Travaglia on performance, upside, athletic profile etc. However he’s simply in a position that will never warrant that investment.

Armstrongs run came a little late, but was his year really much different to Aaron Cadman? You could argue it is potentially better on paper. Again, an example of the talls being undervalued vs other years imo.

I mentioned it on your board, but there’s not a hope in hell that any mid other than Levi may have been selected ahead of Reid or McKercher (which the Richmond board scoffed at), the same goes for Sheezel, Wardlaw, Ashcroft (compared to FOS) then you get to JHF, Callaghan, Daicos, then Rowell, Anderson etc.

This draft probably has 15 guys in it that might have had claims as a top 10 pick (and another 15 that would have claims as top 20 picks) in a lot of years, but the midfield group is certainly a weird one and would struggle to crack the top 4-5 of most years imo.

I agree with alot of what you are saying

Except the bit in bold

U have no idea what Lalor athletic testing as compared to Dusty looks like, that's because Lalor has never tested

I have seen Dusty play every one of his 302 games, and I can tell you on the pace side, he is just as quick with the eye test, endurance I don't know, but neither does anybody else, hence the risk.

Agree with you on the talls, there are plenty of them, that's why Nth trading out pick 25 was weird to me, I cannot work it out

 

[Sphynx]

I agree with alot of what you are saying

Except the bit in bold

U have no idea what Lalor athletic testing as compared to Dusty looks like, that's because Lalor has never tested

I have seen Dusty play every one of his 302 games, and I can tell you on the pace side, he is just as quick with the eye test, endurance I don't know, but neither does anybody else, hence the risk.

Agree with you on the talls, there are plenty of them, that's why Nth trading out pick 25 was weird to me, I cannot work it out

Lalor has tested.

There is testing data from preseason of 2023.

 

[blaisee]

Lalor has tested.

There is testing data from preseason of 2023.

Um really that is news to me, have you seen it, how did he test ?

 

[Sphynx]

Um really that is news to me, have you seen it, how did he test ?

Scratch that, measures only in the CTL 2023 pre-season.

 

[blaisee]

Scratch that, measures only in the CTL 2023 pre-season.

Yes thought so

Lalor has never tested

 

[anotherletdown]

What if I said please?

 

[LOZWILDA]

Trading up to pick 2 & into next year’s draft at the same time?
Nth gets 6, 18, 23.
Richmond gets 2, future 1st.
North get Tauru, and tall forward and still have another pick in this years super draft.
Richmond gets pick 2 and a mid first round pick next year.




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[blaisee]

Trading up to pick 2 & into next year’s draft at the same time?
Nth gets 6, 18, 23.
Richmond gets 2, future 1st.
North get Tauru, and tall forward and still have another pick in this years super draft.
Richmond gets pick 2 and a mid first round pick next year.




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I really do not think this is even a remote possibility

We did not do all this work to give up all our picks for pick2

We won't be giving up 3 picks

6 and 24 is the only possibility and even that I am not sure we do

 

[My_Username]

Agree with you on the talls, there are plenty of them, that's why Nth trading out pick 25 was weird to me, I cannot work it out

North trading out their 2nd and 3rd rnd picks only makes sense to me if they're planning on trading pick 2 for (multiple picks).

Otherwise they have 2,62,80 which seems odd.

So I expect pick 2 will be shopped around and auctioned off.