Club Focus Richmond 2024

[Ticky009]

Data from footywire. To check the draft order see the thread here.

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[THE_GUN]

Cal Twomey latest gettable show
did anybody watch it ?

any mention of the trade for pick 32 or value

 

[juss]

Speculated on SEN it's 2 for 6 + 11

I still think I'd prefer to keep 6 and 11 in that scenario

 

[tigs2010]

Cal Twomey latest gettable show
did anybody watch it ?

any mention of the trade for pick 32 or value

32? Do you mean 2? Cal said he wouldn't pay more than 6 & 18

 

[4tune8]

Believe me, while it’s not beyond Brady Rawlings to do something stupid, I seriously doubt he’s that much of a clown to even think about that deal. If he does, I’ll be in at the club dragging him out by his massive snoz myself.

Let's break the negotiations down a bit.

North (Rawlings) have made it pretty obvious that they want Tauru and another tall, Armstrong ideally, but Trainor or Shanahan would suffice. To achieve that outcome they need picks 6 & 10 or 6 & 11.

Whilst the Tigers would like pick 2 they're not willing to pay what's considered a fair price given that a quality player would still be available at pick 6, consequently the counter offer is 6 & 23.

We now have an impasse and that deadlock has to be opened by offering something to the Tigers to entice them to give up pick 11 rather than pick 23 in the deal.

What then, is that offer?

The answer depends on just how desperate North is in wanting to acquire that tall at pick 11.

 

[THE_GUN]

32? Do you mean 2? Cal said he wouldn't pay more than 6 & 18

Yes #2 The hash key didnt work

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Herald Sun reporting this morning that the current offer from North centres around 2 and f1 for 6 and 11.

Sounds like daylight robbery to me, unless we were getting one of the late first rounders back too.

If I'm Richmond that's the minimum I'm settling for, for 6 and 11. And for pick 2 alone the most I'd pay is 6 and 20. There are too many good players in this first round to move up for anything less than a very favourable deal to Richmond. In most drafts you'd rather have quality over quantity, but this one is different, quantity is more important, especially for a team that's rebuilding.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Let's break the negotiations down a bit.

North (Rawlings) have made it pretty obvious that they want Tauru and another tall, Armstrong ideally, but Trainor or Shanahan would suffice. To achieve that outcome they need picks 6 & 10 or 6 & 11.

Whilst the Tigers would like pick 2 they're not willing to pay what's considered a fair price given that a quality player would still be available at pick 6, consequently the counter offer is 6 & 23.

We now have an impasse and that deadlock has to be opened by offering something to the Tigers to entice them to give up pick 11 rather than pick 23 in the deal.

What then, is that offer?

The answer depends on just how desperate North is in wanting to acquire that tall at pick 11.

I say stuff North, I hope they pick a Tall with Pick #2 it would actually help the Tigers.

 

[Rich01]

Yeah there’s absolutely no bias in that article… LOL

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You’ve got too much time on your hands mate.

 

[Wild Bill]

Posting it about any kid is wishful thinking. You hope any kid you take in the top 10 of any draft is a gun. Will Phillips was seen as a shit pick by most people at the time too.

This year is not like most years, everyone keeps saying how even the top 6 or so are. Pick 2 could be any one of 4 or 5 kids, depending on which club you ask.

Phillips was always going top 10. Maybe couple spots early - but there wasn't anyone that didn't have him top 10.

And this draft is called even as there is no Reid or JHF in the draft. There is no "generational talent" in 2024.

 

[Wild Bill]

I say stuff North, I hope they pick a Tall with Pick #2 it would actually help the Tigers.

We will take the best player at 2 - IMO it will be Lalor of FOS - which ever one you don't pick.

 

[tiger_tough]

Phillips was always going top 10. Maybe couple spots early - but there wasn't anyone that didn't have him top 10.

And this draft is called even as there is no Reid or JHF in the draft. There is no "generational talent" in 2024.

We'll see won't we.

 

[THE_GUN]

Phillips was always going top 10. Maybe couple spots early - but there wasn't anyone that didn't have him top 10.

And this draft is called even as there is no Reid or JHF in the draft. There is no "generational talent" in 2024.

Thats correct and any 1 of the top 15 players could become the best from this draft

 

[Wild Bill]

We'll see won't we.

The “ “ marks were because Reid etc were called that going in. No doubt there will be guns in this draft.

 

[SnowRoo]

I say stuff North, I hope they pick a Tall with Pick #2 it would actually help the Tigers.

I'd say we happily take FOS at 2 if you don't grab him at 1, after an Ashcroft bid to consider options.

If you take FOS more likely a Saints trade for 7 and 15 so they can get Lalor.

Then Jagga at 4 to the Blue's.

Draper at 5 to Crows.

Armstrong or Smillie to Dee's.

Still leaves you ok options at 7.

 

[Wrenny]

I'd say we happily take FOS at 2 if you don't grab him at 1, after an Ashcroft bid to consider options.

If you take FOS more likely a Saints trade for 7 and 15 so they can get Lalor.

Then Jagga at 4 to the Blue's.

Draper at 5 to Crows.

Armstrong or Smillie to Dee's.

Still leaves you ok options at 7.

Leaves it nicely to take Tauru at #7

 

[richoatthedisco]

I'd say we happily take FOS at 2 if you don't grab him at 1, after an Ashcroft bid to consider options.

If you take FOS more likely a Saints trade for 7 and 15 so they can get Lalor.

Then Jagga at 4 to the Blue's.

Draper at 5 to Crows.

Armstrong or Smillie to Dee's.

Still leaves you ok options at 7.

How are the Saints getting 15?

That would leave us with options but what would it leave North?

 

[SnowRoo]

How are the Saints getting 15?

That would leave us with options but what would it leave North?

8 to GWS for 15+16

Gives us leftovers of Tauru, Armstrong, Smilie, Langford whatever gets left. Then a bit of hope on a Trainor slide or a Whitlock.

The top 3/4 might be a class ahead but still plenty to play with down to 20ish.

Cant see the Tigers walking away unhappy even if they don't go for 2 of the top 3.

Just as I'm sure North getting FOS won't disappoint us.

Its a good year to have a top 4 pick

 

[banzai]

Phillips was always going top 10. Maybe couple spots early - but there wasn't anyone that didn't have him top 10.

And this draft is called even as there is no Reid or JHF in the draft. There is no "generational talent" in 2024.

There maybe no initial generational talents, but many players who get to that level like Dusty, Bont, Dangerfield, Cripps etc weren't considered that at the time of the draft or they all would have been standout pick 1s.

 

[banzai]

Herald Sun reporting this morning that the current offer from North centres around 2 and f1 for 6 and 11.

Sounds like daylight robbery to me, unless we were getting one of the late first rounders back too.

Surely Richmond would be taking that immediately. Even if North improve sharply and win 9-10 games, they would likely still finish 13th or so and have pick 6. Then if North had a bad run with injuries they would probably finish bottom 2 again.

 

[Wild Bill]

There maybe no initial generational talents, but many players who get to that level like Dusty, Bont, Dangerfield, Cripps etc weren't considered that at the time of the draft or they all would have been standout pick 1s.

Agree that someone can jump up and be a superstar - but this draft doesn’t have a player labeled as a generational talent like some previous drafts.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Surely Richmond would be taking that immediately. Even if North improve sharply and win 9-10 games, they would likely still finish 13th or so and have pick 6. Then if North had a bad run with injuries they would probably finish bottom 2 again.

Truthfully I find it hard to believe that it’s even a bona fide offer.

 

[TheJackal]

I'd say we happily take FOS at 2 if you don't grab him at 1, after an Ashcroft bid to consider options.

If you take FOS more likely a Saints trade for 7 and 15 so they can get Lalor.

Then Jagga at 4 to the Blue's.

Draper at 5 to Crows.

Armstrong or Smillie to Dee's.

Still leaves you ok options at 7.

Sorry for the intrusion, but the only offer I could see St Kilda make for pick 2 would only involve 8 & an F1. 7 would be off the table considering the mid who will still be there for us.

The 8 for two teens picks downgrade would be a live trade depending on who makes it through to pick 8 - assuming we aren't seriously in the market for pick 2.

As for Richmond, I really think 6 & 18 should be their best offer to North. 6 & 11 in this draft is overs in my opinion.

 

[THE_GUN]

Sorry for the intrusion, but the only offer I could see St Kilda make for pick 2 would only involve 8 & an F1. 7 would be off the table considering the mid who will still be there for us.

The 8 for two teens picks downgrade would be a live trade depending on who makes it through to pick 8 - assuming we aren't seriously in the market for pick 2.

As for Richmond, I really think 6 & 18 should be their best offer to North. 6 & 11 in this draft is overs in my opinion.

I think most sensible Richmond supporters have said this from the start
Sure the negotiations will be starting at #6 + #23 and will go back and foward but #6 + #18 just feels right and is a win/win considering how even the top 7/8 players in tier 1 are with no clear standout #1 or #2.

I dont think anybody really loses sleep if the deal doesn't get done and picks remain as they are and taken at the draft
FOS & Lalor v Lalor , Langford & Shannahan I would be happy with either

 

[TheJackal]

I think most sensible Richmond supporters have said this from the start
Sure the negotiations will be starting at #6 + #23 and will go back and foward but #6 + #18 just feels right and is a win/win considering how even the top 7/8 players in tier 1 are with no clear standout #1 or #2.

I dont think anybody really loses sleep if the deal doesn't get done and picks remain as they are and taken at the draft
FOS & Lalor v Lalor , Langford & Shannahan I would be happy with either

Exactly, the way I see it the difference between pick 2 and 6 this year is simply preference of player, not actually quality.

So to pay pick 11 in this draft for the privilege to choose the same quality of player is way overs. 6 & 23 into 6 & 18 feels reasonable in this draft. The emphasis being on in this draft.

 

[juss]

There maybe no initial generational talents, but many players who get to that level like Dusty, Bont, Dangerfield, Cripps etc weren't considered that at the time of the draft or they all would have been standout pick 1s.

It surprises me how many people ahead of a draft claim things about the talent, then just ignore decades of draft examples of players who went on to become all time club/AFL greats, that obviously weren't predicted at the time.

I mean take Fyfe for example, I think every club passed on him or close to, because he wasn't the Nat Fyfe we've seen to date, until he was.

This draft could have anything in it, we don't know how great any of the kids could be.