Injury Richmond or Collingwood: Whose injury list is worse?

[Gavin Excell]

Who has worst injury list- Richmond or Collingwood?


Collingwood

Name	Injury	Return
Aiden Begg	Knee	Season
Jack Bytel	Concussion	Test
Josh Carmichael	Concussion	TBA
Mason Cox	Leg/concussion	6 weeks
Jordan De Goey	Abdomen	3-4 weeks
Jamie Elliott	Vascular	TBA
Josh Eyre	Hamstring	1 week
Will Hoskin-Elliott	Hamstring	1 week
Jeremy Howe	Groin	Test
Reef McInnes	Concussion	1-2 weeks
Daniel McStay	Knee	TBA
Brody Mihocek	Hamstring	2-4 weeks
Tom Mitchell	Foot	1-4 weeks
Joe Richards	Foot	5-6 weeks
Oscar Steene	Toe	8+ weeks

Latest Update: May 29


Richmond

Name	Injury	Return
Jacob Bauer	Quad	Test
Shai Bolton	Concussion	1 week
Judson Clarke	ACL	Season
Mate Colina	Back	Long term
Liam Fawcett	Back	Long term
Josh Gibcus	ACL	Season
Jack Graham	Hamstring	Test
Dylan Grimes	Back	TBA
Jacob Hopper	Hamstring	3-4 weeks
Tom Lynch	Hamstring	2-3 weeks
Rhyan Mansell	Concussion	Test
Sam Naismith	ACL	Season
Maurice Rioli	Ankle	6-8 weeks
Jack Ross	Foot	6-8 weeks
Tim Taranto	Wrist	1-2 weeks
Tylar Young	ACL	Season

Latest Update: May 29

 

[Chief]

(Latest injury lists here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/injury-list-afl-2024-updated-every-few-days.1377977/latest )

 

[HairyO]

Richmond has far less quality depth so they are worse off.

Lions have been savaged by ACLs so probably top the list for worst off in terms of LTI.

 

[Andyy]

I would say Richmond.

Both are missing 8-9 of their best 22 probably but Richmond's all seem to be longer-term.

 

[WillHayward]

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Tiges much worse, they have been smashed by injuries all year, Pies only very recently

I'm with Fly, injuries are opportunities

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-star-scott-pendlebury-ruled-out-of-bulldogs-clash-leaving-magpies-undermanned/news-story/ab3e9903ec044b66d178e5a21f284b37

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[CCurnow3votes]

I agree with Fly - until a tipping point is reached - at which time performances are impacted & games you would otherwise win, are lost.

We’ve experienced this, Richmond also & likely Collingwood to come.

 

[adammania9]

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Do you not see the difference between a current injury list and a compiling of missed games to have occurred over 12 weeks?

 

[Chief]

Do you not see the difference between a current injury list and a compiling of missed games to have occurred over 12 weeks?

Why don't you give your thoughts on the difference?

 

[Morro]

Tigers easily and now have 4 x ACL's

 

[CCurnow3votes]

This game simply brings injuries.

Not sure how adding more players to the bench or shortening the game will help.

Players will just run harder in short bursts - still the same number contact injuries and likely just as many soft tissue.

It’s terrible when it happens - mostly dumb luck.

Timing of them is important - many at once brings teams to a tipping point. Injuries over a longer time are more easily covered & recovered from.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

This game simply brings injuries.

Not sure how adding more players to the bench or shortening the game will help.

Players will just run harder in short bursts - still the same number contact injuries and likely just as many soft tissue.

It’s terrible when it happens - mostly dumb luck.

Timing of them is important - many at once brings teams to a tipping point. Injuries over a longer time are more easily covered & recovered from.

Indeed the very nature of the game is brutal, have to do risky stuff to succeed, none of us would bother watching if there were no injuries

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[adammania9]

Why don't you give your thoughts on the difference?

The bulk of Collingwood’s injuries occurred in the last four weeks

 

[juss]

One of our issues is lack of depth, so the injuries have hit us hard.

Also, Tom Lynch is probably tied to his clubs fortunes more than any other player in the comp. I'm not saying he's the best or most valuable in the comp at all, but I would argue he would be in the top few, if not the most important single player to his clubs fortunes and importance on an AFL teams list.

Even if we had only him freed up from the injury list at his best, we'd be a lot more competitive.

 

[barracoutta]

if you watch the news every night, then its Collingwood

 

[Corn Cobbers]

One of our issues is lack of depth, so the injuries have hit us hard.

Also, Tom Lynch is probably tied to his clubs fortunes more than any other player in the comp. I'm not saying he's the best or most valuable in the comp at all, but I would argue he would be in the top few, if not the most important single player to his clubs fortunes and importance on an AFL teams list.

Even if we had only him freed up from the injury list at his best, we'd be a lot more competitive.

Agreed, and N Daicos is just as important as Lynch, our injury list would look 100 times worse if he was on it

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[AlwaysHawks15]

One of our issues is lack of depth, so the injuries have hit us hard.

Also, Tom Lynch is probably tied to his clubs fortunes more than any other player in the comp. I'm not saying he's the best or most valuable in the comp at all, but I would argue he would be in the top few, if not the most important single player to his clubs fortunes and importance on an AFL teams list.

Even if we had only him freed up from the injury list at his best, we'd be a lot more competitive.

I'd argue Him, Taranto and IMO Gibcus are the 3. Balta would play permanent forward if Gibcus was available. Which is where you look the most dangerous even though he's a great Backman.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

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What sort of hogwash is that list?

Richmond so far this season games missed by best 22 players:

9 Gibcus 9
8 Lynch Hopper 25
7 Graham 32
6 Taranto, Ross, Prestia, Grimes 56
4 Balta 60
3 Baker 63
2 Martin, Mansell, M Rioli 69
1 Young, Nankervis, Short, Broad 73

So 73 games have been missed by best 22 players. This is to say nothing of fringe types who would likely have been selected in more matches bar injury or suspension:

Sonsie, Campbell, Banks, Naismith, Clarke, Trezise.

 

[Jeremias]

Richmond, don't think it's particularly close between the two sides.

 

[Do the Dew]

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The whole best 22 out to injury is also misleading. Team A could have their top 5 players out and Team B could have players 18-22 out and the table would show it the same. Looking at Carlton, big difference if you took out Curnow, McKay, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra vs who they currently have out.

 

[Do the Dew]

Agreed, and N Daicos is just as important as Lynch, our injury list would look 100 times worse if he was on it

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Yeah no. Daicos is good but a key forward the quality of Lynch is 100x more important than a midfielder/half-back flanker.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yeah no. Daicos is good but a key forward the quality of Lynch is 100x more important than a midfielder/half-back flanker.

Your best player is your best player regardless of position, we'd be screwed without Daics atm, not sure you read my comment properly

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[Do the Dew]

Your best player is your best player regardless of position, we'd be screwed without Daics atm, not sure you read my comment properly

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I read your comment right, but Naicos and Lynch are nowhere near equivalent in terms of overall team structure.

If Naicos sits out a year and a half (which is basically what has happened to Lynch), you still have a bunch of other mids that can cover his role (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Jaicos, Crisp, De Goey, Mitchell). It's not ideal, but you'll be fine unless a bunch of the others go down (which is what happened to Richmond this year with Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross all missing considerable time).

No-one covers Lynch's role. In his last mostly completed season in 2022, he had the highest average goals per game of any player, miles ahead in contested marks of any player. So not only does he provide a contest down the line and marks plenty, he also does the same thing in the forward line and kicks goals. It's been even worse this year when Balta got injured and our forward line is led by Lefau who hasn't played a dozen games yet.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I read your comment right, but Naicos and Lynch are nowhere near equivalent in terms of overall team structure.

If Naicos sits out a year and a half (which is basically what has happened to Lynch), you still have a bunch of other mids that can cover his role (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Jaicos, Crisp, De Goey, Mitchell). It's not ideal, but you'll be fine unless a bunch of the others go down (which is what happened to Richmond this year with Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross all missing considerable time).

No-one covers Lynch's role. In his last mostly completed season in 2022, he had the highest average goals per game of any player, miles ahead in contested marks of any player. So not only does he provide a contest down the line and marks plenty, he also does the same thing in the forward line and kicks goals. It's been even worse this year when Balta got injured and our forward line is led by Lefau who hasn't played a dozen games yet.

Daics doesn't have a "role", he's Daics and he's the reason why we're good, we'd be bottom 4 without him, like you are without Lynch

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[FlowersByIrene]

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