He is soft and inconsistent, not worth a first round draft pick.
We'll take our luck with Nick Stevens in the PSD thanks, cost us nothing and we got a young gun in Walker.
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He is soft and inconsistent, not worth a first round draft pick.
We'll take our luck with Nick Stevens in the PSD thanks, cost us nothing and we got a young gun in Walker.
Are you still here? Thought you would be on the streets celebrating.
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another good one
Now think about this, Every thread that evr concerns richmond points out that we only have so many talented players. which is fair enuf we don't exactly have stars oozing from everywhere but if u consider the players who everyone always points out they actually cover most divisions, but we definately need to acquire more talent in both the midfield (which was 2 years ago considered our weakest point) and our forward line, which is exactly what brown is available to do. he can attempt to cover both problems while we attempt one last crack with established players, once this lot move through then i am sure we will rebuild but why would we do it too early and waist a possible crack at glory. Trust me in no way am i saying we are premiership favourites but as we consistenly prove in bursts, we can play excellent football. hopefully this year is will be consistent. My only problem with trading pick 6 is that we missed out on Tenace, i thought he would have gone by then, and he was what we needed more than any other player in the draft.
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yawn - this is type of response is so boring - but then again you are new here.
Now tell me why Nathan Brown would wanna go from a team that only won 3 games to a club that is full of rejects? I think your sources are bit dodgey son. He stated from day one that Richmond was his choice. You recruited Harford cause Brown wasnt a priority!!!
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Harford was traded as part of a package. Pagan was after Brett Johnson. Harford came as an extra with the Hawks paying half his wage.
Brown was never a true priority. We were after Harvey, Power and Stevens. We got Stevens.
Richmond have a great club song.
Nonsence, Brown was as much a priority for Carlton as Harvey, Stevens et al..
Brown told the blues thanks but no thanks after he realised that the blues had nothing to offer in a trade with the bullies.
Same for Harvey, Power and Stevens. The only reason the Blues got Stevens was the Pies wouldn't offer up anything decent in trade.
However, well done Blues for getting Stevens for nothing..
Brown told the blues thanks but no thanks after he realised that the blues had nothing to offer in a trade with the bullies.
Same for Harvey, Power and Stevens. The only reason the Blues got Stevens was the Pies wouldn't offer up anything decent in trade.
However, well done Blues for getting Stevens for nothing..
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why don't you just observe what was said by orangewhip regarding Brown, power, harvey, stevo........ as that is exactly spot on from what orangewhip said and will save a pointless argument.
What??
Orange Whip wrote that Brown was never a true priority for the blues, and that they were into Stevens, Harvey.....
My point was that Brown was a big priority for the blues but they couldn't get him.
You even wrote that Brown approached Carlton.....what crap..
Orange Whip wrote that Brown was never a true priority for the blues, and that they were into Stevens, Harvey.....
My point was that Brown was a big priority for the blues but they couldn't get him.
You even wrote that Brown approached Carlton.....what crap..
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errrr.................
read it again
yelse tivva
read it again
yelse tivva
Mighty, I am reading but not understanding what you are saying.
If you can provide me with a better explanation so I can get my fried tiger mind around your point I will reload and respond.
As it is Xmas, I am in a cheery mood and want to have a frutifull discussion with my fellow man
Cheers
Tivva
If you can provide me with a better explanation so I can get my fried tiger mind around your point I will reload and respond.
As it is Xmas, I am in a cheery mood and want to have a frutifull discussion with my fellow man
Cheers
Tivva
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haha............ ok
what i was saying was that Orangewhip is spot on regarding Carlton's priorities leading upto trade week. Stevens, Harvey, Power were all huge priorities, but Nathan Brown was not considered amongst that elite group. Yes that is what Orangewhip said and i told you too take note of his post into fact because that was the true scenario. Brown would of been great for the blues, but we showed little interest and if he was too become a blue it would only be via the Pre-season draft where Stevens was available.........
The reason why Brown wasn't chased by Carlton is because Pagan didn't think he was committed enough, and he wouldn't address our needs where Stevens would.
what i was saying was that Orangewhip is spot on regarding Carlton's priorities leading upto trade week. Stevens, Harvey, Power were all huge priorities, but Nathan Brown was not considered amongst that elite group. Yes that is what Orangewhip said and i told you too take note of his post into fact because that was the true scenario. Brown would of been great for the blues, but we showed little interest and if he was too become a blue it would only be via the Pre-season draft where Stevens was available.........
The reason why Brown wasn't chased by Carlton is because Pagan didn't think he was committed enough, and he wouldn't address our needs where Stevens would.
Also Brown is more of a "Larrikan" sort of person while Nick Stevens takes a more "professional" approach to things like dealing with the media and stuff like that (this is my impression at least)
All things considered equal I know which type of player Denis "Rules with an Iron First" Pagan would want
Fair enuff Mighty....
My understanding of things was that the blues had discussions with Brown early on but were out of the race as Brown didn't want to go into the PSD, where as you pointed out was the only chance of getting Brown.
As to the value of Brown v Stevens, will get back to you in Ocotober 2004.
Merry Xmas
Tivva
My understanding of things was that the blues had discussions with Brown early on but were out of the race as Brown didn't want to go into the PSD, where as you pointed out was the only chance of getting Brown.
As to the value of Brown v Stevens, will get back to you in Ocotober 2004.
Merry Xmas
Tivva
Obviosly Carlton will get far more value through Stevens simply because he cost us nothing (IN THE PSD) whereas Richmond gave up a 1st rnd draft pick which they could have used on a Bradley, Tenace or Raphael Clarke ...
Which club is better off ...
Carlton with Walker and Stevo or Richmond with Nat Brown.
Which club is better off ...
Carlton with Walker and Stevo or Richmond with Nat Brown.
When evaluating players like Brown v Stevens, I would only base it on their onfield exploits.
To take into account what the club gave up for him etc.... IMO becomes a pointless argument as it unfairly judges a player on areas which are out of their control.
Steven's and Brown's value will come through helping their teams win games of footy. Come Rd 1 noone will give a s**t what a particular player cost and what was possibly given up for him.
To take into account what the club gave up for him etc.... IMO becomes a pointless argument as it unfairly judges a player on areas which are out of their control.
Steven's and Brown's value will come through helping their teams win games of footy. Come Rd 1 noone will give a s**t what a particular player cost and what was possibly given up for him.
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Greg Miller initially said that he wanted a ballanced list. We have a balance of Young Draftees, Middle age and veterens now and along with that a mix of talls and smalls. If we didnt pick up Morrison and fletcher etc we wouldnt have a ballanced list and they would have no afl experience. We wouldnt want kids coming to play whenever we have an injury. Although it is tempting that we could have 7 guns out on the feild in a few years but greg miller has brought balance to the Richmond List. Nathan Brown is the most valueble out of Rawlings and Stephens as he can play Back Flank,Midfield or Forward Quite well. Rawlings is overrated
Interesting to look back on each club early draft pick histories.
Had a look yesterday and started on this but add to more in a day or two.
Start of drafting in expansion era
4 Richard Anderson Richmond Norwood 1986
17 Trent Nichols Richmond Sandy Bay 1986
1 Richard Lounder Richmond Central District 1987
14 Wayne Peters Richmond Morwell 1987
5 Chris Naish Richmond Wangaratta 1988
19 Matthew Francis Richmond Ballan 1988
1 Anthony Banik Richmond Won Wron Woodside 1989
13 Allister Scott Richmond Inverloch-Kongwak 1989
15 Nathan Bower Richmond Mildura 1989
4 of 1990 traded away to Collingwood for Terry Keays
16 Todd Menegola Richmond Swan Districts 1990
Transitional period of under 19's and old zones going
3 of 1991 traded away to Melbourne as part of a deal that saw Steven O'Dwyer goto Richmond and Michael Pickering goto Melbourne.
16 & 29 of 1991 traded away to West Coast for Steven Jackson
7 Wayne Hernaman Richmond South Fremantle 1992
22 Mark Jones Richmond Norwood 1992
3 Justin Murphy Richmond Central U18 1993
6 of 1993 traded away to Fitzroy for Paul Broderick, Michael Gale and Matthew Dundas
11 Damien Ryan Richmond Eastern U18 1994
16 & 32 of 1995 traded away to Fitzroy for Ben Holland
16 clubs and full on draft era with rookie lists in place now
16 Paddy Steinfort Richmond Oakleigh U18 1996
2 Brad Ottens Richmond Glenelg 1997
21 of 1997 and Chris Bond traded away to Fremantle for pick 2
8 of 1998 traded away to Geelong for Craig Biddiscombe
24 of 1998 traded away to Brisbane for Rory Hilton
3 Aaron Fiora Richmond Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1999
7 of 1999 traded away with Steve McKee to Collingwood for pick 3 and Clinton King
22 Ezra Poyas Richmond Prahran U18 1999
9 Kayne Pettifer Richmond Murray U18 2000
25 Mark Coughlan Richmond Perth 2000
17 of 2001 traded away with Nick Daffy to Sydney for Greg Stafford
12 Jay Schulz Richmond Woodville-West Torrens 2002
18 & 32 of 2002 traded away with Jason Torney to Adelaide for pick 12, Kane Johnson, pick 28 & 41
6 & 20 of 2003 traded away to Western Bulldogs for Nathan Brown
21 Alex Gilmour Richmond Tasmania U18 2003
The draft picks bonanza from rock bottom
1 Brett Deledio Richmond Murray U18 2004
4 Richard Tambling Richmond Southern Districts 2004
12 Danny Meyer Richmond Glenelg 2004
16 Adam Pattison Richmond Northern U18 2004
20 Dean Polo Richmond Gippsland U18 2004
8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond East Perth 2005
24 Cleve Hughes Richmond Norwood 2005
8 of 2006 traded away to Fremantle as part of deal that secured Graham Polack and pick 13
13 Jack Riewoldt Richmond Tasmania U18 2006
Re-load after another wooden spoon to make finals
2 Trent Cotchin Richmond Northern U18 2007
18 Alex Rance Richmond Swan Districts 2007
19 of 2007 traded away to Bulldogs for Jordan McMahon
8 Ty Vickery Richmond Sandringham U18 2008
3 Dustin Martin Richmond Bendigo U18 2009
19 Ben Griffiths Richmond Eastern U18 2009
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
The current Hardwick era next hope
15 Brandon Ellis Richmond Calder U18 2011
9 Nick Vlastuin Richmond Northern U18 2012
12 Ben Lennon Richmond Northern U18 2013
12 Corey Ellis Richmond Western U18 2014
15 Daniel Rioli Richmond North Ballarat U18 2015
23 of 2015 traded onto Carlton for Chris Yarran
Had a look yesterday and started on this but add to more in a day or two.
Start of drafting in expansion era
4 Richard Anderson Richmond Norwood 1986
17 Trent Nichols Richmond Sandy Bay 1986
1 Richard Lounder Richmond Central District 1987
14 Wayne Peters Richmond Morwell 1987
5 Chris Naish Richmond Wangaratta 1988
19 Matthew Francis Richmond Ballan 1988
1 Anthony Banik Richmond Won Wron Woodside 1989
13 Allister Scott Richmond Inverloch-Kongwak 1989
15 Nathan Bower Richmond Mildura 1989
4 of 1990 traded away to Collingwood for Terry Keays
16 Todd Menegola Richmond Swan Districts 1990
Transitional period of under 19's and old zones going
3 of 1991 traded away to Melbourne as part of a deal that saw Steven O'Dwyer goto Richmond and Michael Pickering goto Melbourne.
16 & 29 of 1991 traded away to West Coast for Steven Jackson
7 Wayne Hernaman Richmond South Fremantle 1992
22 Mark Jones Richmond Norwood 1992
3 Justin Murphy Richmond Central U18 1993
6 of 1993 traded away to Fitzroy for Paul Broderick, Michael Gale and Matthew Dundas
11 Damien Ryan Richmond Eastern U18 1994
16 & 32 of 1995 traded away to Fitzroy for Ben Holland
16 clubs and full on draft era with rookie lists in place now
16 Paddy Steinfort Richmond Oakleigh U18 1996
2 Brad Ottens Richmond Glenelg 1997
21 of 1997 and Chris Bond traded away to Fremantle for pick 2
8 of 1998 traded away to Geelong for Craig Biddiscombe
24 of 1998 traded away to Brisbane for Rory Hilton
3 Aaron Fiora Richmond Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1999
7 of 1999 traded away with Steve McKee to Collingwood for pick 3 and Clinton King
22 Ezra Poyas Richmond Prahran U18 1999
9 Kayne Pettifer Richmond Murray U18 2000
25 Mark Coughlan Richmond Perth 2000
17 of 2001 traded away with Nick Daffy to Sydney for Greg Stafford
12 Jay Schulz Richmond Woodville-West Torrens 2002
18 & 32 of 2002 traded away with Jason Torney to Adelaide for pick 12, Kane Johnson, pick 28 & 41
6 & 20 of 2003 traded away to Western Bulldogs for Nathan Brown
21 Alex Gilmour Richmond Tasmania U18 2003
The draft picks bonanza from rock bottom
1 Brett Deledio Richmond Murray U18 2004
4 Richard Tambling Richmond Southern Districts 2004
12 Danny Meyer Richmond Glenelg 2004
16 Adam Pattison Richmond Northern U18 2004
20 Dean Polo Richmond Gippsland U18 2004
8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls Richmond East Perth 2005
24 Cleve Hughes Richmond Norwood 2005
8 of 2006 traded away to Fremantle as part of deal that secured Graham Polack and pick 13
13 Jack Riewoldt Richmond Tasmania U18 2006
Re-load after another wooden spoon to make finals
2 Trent Cotchin Richmond Northern U18 2007
18 Alex Rance Richmond Swan Districts 2007
19 of 2007 traded away to Bulldogs for Jordan McMahon
8 Ty Vickery Richmond Sandringham U18 2008
3 Dustin Martin Richmond Bendigo U18 2009
19 Ben Griffiths Richmond Eastern U18 2009
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
The current Hardwick era next hope
15 Brandon Ellis Richmond Calder U18 2011
9 Nick Vlastuin Richmond Northern U18 2012
12 Ben Lennon Richmond Northern U18 2013
12 Corey Ellis Richmond Western U18 2014
15 Daniel Rioli Richmond North Ballarat U18 2015
23 of 2015 traded onto Carlton for Chris Yarran
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It reads like a Dean Koontz novella.
It's kind of a horror story, but it's also so badly written you simply can't look away ....
Weep for the tiger faithful and the recruiters who condemned them to the 9th circle footy abyss for all eternity...
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But they'll "play" finals in 2017! Doesn't mean they will or that they'll actually WIN one! How many more years still on Hardwick's contract?
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