Summer RIO 2016 - Swimming (Pool Only) 6th to 13th Aug

[Pakenhamsaint]

Did Ray Warren used to do a fair bit of swimming commentating too? I might be getting mixed up

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Yes:

Went to London if I recall.

 

[ozgamer]

I don't know if he is saying but why not for the 2017 World Champs in Budapest have trials basically the same time the yanks do, 5 or 6 weeks before the meet? We've never done it that way before so why not give it a trial to work out if we can benefit for 2020. Hell if its still inconclusive do it again for the 2019 world championships in South Korea.

It's worth mentioning that the final meet for the Dolphins was the Brisbane Grand Prix (July 1-2), the same meet where Cate Campbell broke Britta Steffen's 100m Free WR.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Hope they realise they've let the whole country down.

haha!

ironic that this mentality is probably what has led Oz swimmers to fail at the Olympics in recent times. Many of them have swam faster in the past than they have in this meet. Either their coaches have got their taper wrong (which i find improbable), they didn't prep properly for the conditions (late starts, and some swimmers have mentioned they're not getting much sleep), or the pressure just got to them.

anyway, athletics begins tonight. jingoism aside, track and field is where it's at! Some of our field athletes in particular are in with very good chances to medal, but without all that expectation the media heaps on them.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Then next Olympics she should go in 4 months preggo. Many racehorses put in some of the best runs of their careers when they're in foal.

There were reports that during the East German drug regimes of the 70s and 80s, female athletes would be impregnated and then the foetuses aborted during preparations for Olympics.

 

[DrEvil_]

Then next Olympics she should go in 4 months preggo. Many racehorses put in some of the best runs of their careers when they're in foal.

I will take one for Australia and be the impregnator if asked.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Sounds like the young Canadian kid pulled a Chalmers on the field. Good on her. Just shows that there is no such thing as a tied on gold medal.

Unless your name is Bolt or Phelps

I don't feel let down by the Campbell girls. They would have swum as good a race as they could.

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

Probably going to dismissed as ludicrous, but has anyone considered that Cate might have had some female issues in the last 24 hours? There is a golden rule in MMA that you never bet on the women's fights, because their hormones can be at completely different stages of their cycle. A woman can feel on top the world one minute ready to take on all comers, and the next morning feel rubbish and tired.

At the elite level who knows how much effect this has on performance. 1 second is the difference between Gold and 6th..

Maybe she was constipated, who knows how much effect a full bowel has on performance?

 

[Donakebab]

haha!

ironic that this mentality is probably what has led Oz swimmers to fail at the Olympics in recent times. Many of them have swam faster in the past than they have in this meet. Either their coaches have got their taper wrong (which i find improbable), they didn't prep properly for the conditions (late starts, and some swimmers have mentioned they're not getting much sleep), or the pressure just got to them.

anyway, athletics begins tonight. jingoism aside, track and field is where it's at! Some of our field athletes in particular are in with very good chances to medal, but without all that expectation the media heaps on them.

Pretty much how I see it too. The toxic culture in swimming, and in fact across most Olympic sports in general, starts with the ridiculous over expectations that we place on our athletes. Seems that if we're seen as a remote chance then the tyres will get pumped to the point that they should win everything regardless of how well the opposition perform and anything less than gold is an abject failure.

Lets start with the number one factor why they don't win, and that's that maybe, just maybe, the opposition are better on the day.

The benefit of track and field is the expectations are minimal. In many cases just making the final or top 10 is seen as a success.

 

[SJ]

Pretty much how I see it too. The toxic culture in swimming, and in fact across most Olympic sports in general, starts with the ridiculous over expectations that we place on our athletes. Seems that if we're seen as a remote chance then the tyres will get pumped to the point that they should win everything regardless of how well the opposition perform and anything less than gold is an abject failure.

Lets start with the number one factor why they don't win, and that's that maybe, just maybe, the opposition are better on the day.

The benefit of track and field is the expectations are minimal. In many cases just making the final or top 10 is seen as a success.

But the track and field athletes aren't setting world records in those events six weeks before. If they were they would have just as many expectations.

Freeman and Pearson probably had larger expectations than any swimmer has had.

 

[Lebbo73]

This is just too perfect

That is one major ####up!

 

[BobbyMorri]

I miss Thorpe.

 

[Lebbo73]

I do have a feeling after Magnusson got killed with his "I have nothing to say" and then walking off interview at London that they have been scared in to doing that.

Magnusson will regret the London debacle for the rest of his life!

 

[romeohwho]

She seemed to miss the start and she panicked and went out too hard, nothing left the last 25.
And I enjoy her relaxed demeanor but she may have taken it a bit too far. Noted Phelps in the race after that, 21 golds won, very serious in his time before the race, getting into the right headspace. Campbell wasn't in the right headspace by the looks. Hope she gets herself sorted for the 50 and shows her best form.

 

[Donakebab]

But the track and field athletes aren't setting world records in those events six weeks before. If they were they would have just as many expectations.

Freeman and Pearson probably had larger expectations than any swimmer has had.

Two world records, one of which was broken again this Olympics, shouldn't stretch to the ridiculous over expectations of the rest of the squad.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Nah thats not it. Our swimmers are falling well behind their pbs. the others are not coming out faster at the olypmics. Our athletes are just going slower.

They are but I still reckon other nations peak for the Olympics.
Take the GOAT he often didn't win at the Worlds. I mean he did but not like at the Olympics.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Should never have taken this long anyway.
Everybody knows Leonidas was on the gear.

 

[ozzz]

Someone must have slipped something into the Campbell sisters' soup.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

They are but I still reckon other nations peak for the Olympics.
Take the GOAT he often didn't win at the Worlds. I mean he did but not like at the Olympics.

I don't know what you mean by often but I think you need to look at his record and here is a cut and paste from his Wiki age to prove your theory wrong. He didn't go to 2013 and 2015 world champs because he fell out of love with the sport in 2013 and had only just decided to return when trials were on for 2015. So apart from 2001 when he only swum in a couple of events he has dominated at 2003,2005,2007,2009,and 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Phelps




Look at his 7 minor medals - 2 were in relays where he depends on others and 2 were in the 200m which wasn't his pet event but he swum it in 2004 because he wanted to take on Thorpe and to a lesser extent Pieter vdHB and it meant he could do 8 in 2008.

 

[Seeds]

They are but I still reckon other nations peak for the Olympics.
Take the GOAT he often didn't win at the Worlds. I mean he did but not like at the Olympics.

True they do peak and it has been an issue at previous Olympics. But the issue is more than that now.

 

[Seeds]

Magnusson will regret the London debacle for the rest of his life!

And the fact he buggered his shoulder as he would of won easily here with his London time.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It's worth mentioning that the final meet for the Dolphins was the Brisbane Grand Prix (July 1-2), the same meet where Cate Campbell broke Britta Steffen's 100m Free WR.

But how much real pressure was on? It wouldn't be the same pressure as an Olympic selection trial, and how a long in their race program compared to her competitors was she? I don't have the answers, but being relaxed can help you perform better compared to the tension and adrenaline rush of an Olympics. One question I guess is, how relaxed was she then and now and how appropriate was that mindset?

With McEvoy miss firing at least you have Chalmers to throw into the medley relay to take over. If both sisters get anxious about this and cant get their shit together, then there goes any chance to win the medley relay and even the minor medals are at risk.

 

[JackNah_8]

Someone must have slipped something into the Campbell sisters' soup.

Her coach spoke to ch7 news and confirmed that was nerves that beat her....

 

[Tadpole]

She seemed to miss the start and she panicked and went out too hard, nothing left the last 25.
And I enjoy her relaxed demeanor but she may have taken it a bit too far. Noted Phelps in the race after that, 21 golds won, very serious in his time before the race, getting into the right headspace. Campbell wasn't in the right headspace by the looks. Hope she gets herself sorted for the 50 and shows her best form.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/olympic...s/news-story/7092428b0325eb6c79600541a7b46fe9
http://www.foxsports.com.au/olympic...n/news-story/f44e761624d58f141b761add43bcee80
http://www.foxsports.com.au/olympic...s/news-story/a20e6ea3233776d2d0d9c4a3226a6a58

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Honest response from Cate Campbell

http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympi...s/news-story/7eede16988c61998b36224ba51a2ed2b
The 24-year-old is usually one to take the positives from any situation but could only admit she struggled to deal with the expectation and excitement of breaking Olympic records in the heats and semi-finals.

“I think I just went (in with) too much emotional energy in the lead-up and even in that race,” Campbell said. “I let my head get ahead of me and it’s not something I should do and something that I’ve been working on hard to not to, but maybe I’ve still got another four years left in me. “It’s always hard, when you’re in form coming into an event, it’s hard not to think about outcomes. “I think I just let my imagination run away with me a little bit.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympi...s/news-story/7eede16988c61998b36224ba51a2ed2b

 

[Donakebab]

Honest response from Cate Campbell

http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympi...s/news-story/7eede16988c61998b36224ba51a2ed2b
The 24-year-old is usually one to take the positives from any situation but could only admit she struggled to deal with the expectation and excitement of breaking Olympic records in the heats and semi-finals.

“I think I just went (in with) too much emotional energy in the lead-up and even in that race,” Campbell said. “I let my head get ahead of me and it’s not something I should do and something that I’ve been working on hard to not to, but maybe I’ve still got another four years left in me. “It’s always hard, when you’re in form coming into an event, it’s hard not to think about outcomes. “I think I just let my imagination run away with me a little bit.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/olympi...s/news-story/7eede16988c61998b36224ba51a2ed2b

It's good that she's been honest, but now she just needs to either put it behind her or find a way to channel it into the 50m. If they both don't get over it now it's the kind of thing that will follow them to every major event and haunt them forever.