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Rioli or Selwood?
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Thats wonderful podge but im not talking about that one post that mentioned Brennan. Geez it wasnt even used in the way your suggesting, it wasnt down playing Cyrils ability. It was simply stating that there are other players who have the ability to do things that Cyril can do. Yes Cyril does it more consistently.
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Laughable to suggest that you havent been arguing, disagreeing or trying to persuade people to you way of thinking. Its bloody hilarious that you cant see this. Hell maybe you think if you keep teeling us your not we might all believe you one day.
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It was a very poor comparison, trying to downplay Cyril's potential. Apparently he's just the next Jarrad Brennan. Other cynical comparisons have been made with players like Daniel Motlop or even Eddie Betts
If I were to reciprocate I would then say that Joel Selwood is just another Peter Bell. See how it works?
Cyril Rioli is just a good forward pocketer, just like most of the others who start of well(obviously hes started better than others) and have no upside so they dont really improve much. Selwood on the other hand will be the best player in the league in a few year.
Selwood - Already in the top 10 players in the AFL and will be the best one day
Rioli - Already a good little forward who is probably in the top 50 players atm just. Wont improve much more and will never make the top 10 players.
Selwood - Already in the top 10 players in the AFL and will be the best one day
Rioli - Already a good little forward who is probably in the top 50 players atm just. Wont improve much more and will never make the top 10 players.
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This isn't Bay 13.
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but it is bigfooty and people generally have opinions on poll forums... geelong supporter that loves to watch cryril and was out of my seat when he took a hanga last yr against us but seriously selwood eats kids like him
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Another wholly biased view.
I don't take notice of people who say that Cyril is just a forward pocket. That's nothing but a troll.
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he is not a forward pocket he is an elite midfielder get with the program everyone!!
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I wasn't talking about your comments.
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I'll try to read what you wrote but im guessing you meant which, but once again i was referring to you not myself. Please read and respond properly it would cut down on alot of your traffic
EDIT: You edited yours and corrected yourself thankyou.
EDIT2: I just re read and you quoted me and then say you weren't referring to me???
EDIT: You edited yours and corrected yourself thankyou.
EDIT2: I just re read and you quoted me and then say you weren't referring to me???
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English, mofo, do you speak it?
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From an unbiased point of view it has to be Selwood by far. At this point of time and by the end of thier careers Selwood will definately be the more sucessful player. Consistancy is what will seperate these two. Too much is looked into off the back of just a handfull of admittedly brilliant games.This time last year they were saying Franklin was the best player in the AFL.
This poll could go on until the earth collapses, but until rioli overtakes selwood which is highly unlikely this poll should round up and finish,maybe start it up when they both retire..
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It was a very poor comparison, trying to downplay Cyril's potential. Apparently he's just the next Jarrad Brennan. Other cynical comparisons have been made with players like Daniel Motlop or even Eddie Betts
You've got it completely wrong. My putting Brennan forward was in response to H2F saying Cyril is showing us things we've never seen before. Which is a ridiculous exaggeration, that's H2Fs way.
I'm just pretty sure Brennan could do anything Rioli can. Good time for him to carve the Hawks up this week too
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You've got it completely wrong. My putting Brennan forward was in response to H2F saying Cyril is showing us things we've never seen before. Which is a ridiculous exaggeration, that's H2Fs way.
I'm just pretty sure Brennan could do anything Rioli can. Good time for him to carve the Hawks up this week too
Brennan can do anything anybody can, but he just chooses not to, most of the time.
In comparison, Selwood is showing us things that we have seen time and again. Scott Burns, Adam Simpson, Brett Kirk, etc.
Rioli started off as a half-forward, which fools a lot of people into thinking he will be your run of the mill, exciting indigenous goalsneak. Trust me, I made the same mistake with Andrew McLeod after he sunk the hawks with a goal from the boundary in 1994.
Cyril is a freak, and injury permitting will make full use of his talents. This is why I believe he will go past Selwood.
What has Cyril done that 'we have never seen before'? I know it wasn't your comment, but you don't seem to deny that he's doing things we've never seen before.
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First of all, he's had better first two years than Judd, Selwood, etc, injuries aside.
Second, the tackling. He's probably the best in the game.
1v1, or 1v2. Luke Darcy and Tim Watson have both commented that he's the best 1 on 1 player in the game. I think he's also the best 1v2 player.
Acceleration. Up there with Andrew McLeod, Chris Judd at the same age.
Overhead marking. Not just the speccies, but the ability to take a clean grab over head, coupled with a very good vertical leap.
In-close. He's a fantastic stoppage player for someone you think is just a flashy outside runner.
Add the disposal, awareness, balance, etc.
Roll all this up into a player with 30 odd games and you have something very unique.
Your first point is grossly inaccurate, Selwood and Judd clearly had the better first two years and everyone but yourself and a few Hawthorn die hards seem to see that.
Secondly, he's a good at tackling but is no where near the best in the game. Aaron Davey has been doing what Rioli is doing for years.
Third, Tim Watson and Luke Darcy (along with other commentators) say 'so and so' is the best 'so and so' every week. Pretty sure Ablett has been the best one on one player about three times this year according to them. Means squat.
Fourth, accelaration is fine, but is equally as good with the likes of Alwyn Davey, David Wojcinski and a handful of others. Nothing special there.
Fifth, Jimmy Bartel does the exact same thing, and to say that Cyril is the only small player who's been able to take a good overhead mark as well as a hanger is inaccurate (see Moorcroft amongst others)
Christ, I'm not even going to go on. Cyril has done nothing we haven't seen before from other players. He's a good solid player, he should be a star, but to say he's clearly better than Judd and Selwood at the same time is just ridiculous.
It's a losing battle with you because I highly doubt you've ever seen another team play that wasn't playing the Hawks.
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Everyone? You sure you want to stick with that?
And yet Cyril is known as the better tackler already
I don't recall them ever saying that about Ablett. They say he likes to fend players off with his hand, and that he gets a lot of possessions . . . then there's comparisons with his old man. Don't remember anything about him being the best 1on1 player.
You combine that with the other attributes and it is. Does Wojo have the tackling or overhead of Rioli, does Davey have the inside game? etc.
Didn't say that he was the only small player to be able to take a grab, I'm grouping all these abilities together. In short, he's about as balanced a footballer as you can find.
Yet people have said it.
I'm afraid I have, and I'm also a Selwood fan. Even if I were a Cats supporter, I would acknowledge that Cyril will be the better player.
It's swings and roundabouts HP. Rioli has the potential to be the best player in the game, so does Selwood, so does Pendlebury, so does Cotchin for that matter. A lot has to happen between now and then for any of those players to realise their potential though. You hold a biased view as to the extremes of Cyril's potential, and that's fair enough: you're a fan.
Acknowledging that you'd admit Cyril will be the better player says nothing, you don't know how good he'll end up being, just how good he could potentially be.
I've got no issue with anyone voting either Selwood now and Rioli later or Selwood now and Selwood later. Apart from the "Selwood now" part everything else is speculation.
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All things being equal, Rioli will end up the better player. Rioli can do everything Selwood can, but Selwood can't do everything Rioli does. Reasons need to be given why Selwood will finish up better.
At the moment, Selwood is ahead only on the weight of possession.
Reasons have been given as to why Selwood will finish up better. You've dismissed them as irrelevant or flatly disputed them, in much the same way that others have dismissed as irrelevant or flatly disputed your reasons for Rioli finishing up the better player. It's a matter of opinion and speculation at this stage as to who will finish up the better player. Carry on with your speculation if you want, the only thing that matters is that Selwood is clearly, by some margin, the better player right now. On that, at least, we can agree.
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