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Rioli or Selwood?
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Read through the last 20 odd pages of this thread. I don't feel the need to re-iterate them in every post like you have been. The argument has been done to death. Not all of us measure a threads success on it's length.
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The main argument seems to be the number of possessions, speaking of quantitive measures. . . ironic isn't it?
Unfortunately, just because he averages 30 in his third year, doesn't mean he'll average 50 in his fifth.
Selwood's about peaked.
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Selwood now and Selwood forever...
And HP's circle jerk continues. That hasn't been the main argument at all. Continue with your speculation, all that matters and the only fact in this thread is that Selwood >>>>>>> Rioli right now. Unsubscribe.
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There hasn't been a clear argument for Selwood all along. The only point for Selwood mainly consists of comparing Rioli to Eddie Betts and Selwood to Chris Judd.
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HP I've gone through Selwood's strengths several times and you haven't even responded to them. There have been plenty of clear arguments for him. All yours is that Selwood has peaked because he already averages 30 disposals a game and he "can't do the things Cyril can."
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The problem is that Cyril has all those strengths and more. I want to know what sets Selwood apart.
What sets him apart is Selwood plays like a gun just about every single week. Take it to the bank
Cyril plays like a gun every 4 or 5 weeks.
Selwood 20 gun games a year
Cyril 5 or 6 gun games a year
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That's not true at all, Cyril has been nothing if not consistent this year.
You're also comparing 3rd year to 2nd year players. I wanted someone to tell me why Selwood will end up the better player. At the same age, Cyril is ahead of him.
Your right he has been consistest.
He has kicked 1 or less goals in 7 of 11 games this year, so yes thats consistent.
He has also racked up 18 or less touches in 8 of his 11 games, so yep your right he is consistent.
He has kicked 1 or less goals in 7 of 11 games this year, so yes thats consistent.
He has also racked up 18 or less touches in 8 of his 11 games, so yep your right he is consistent.
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Nice use of selective stats. Unfortunately this is the sort of thing I get from Geelong posters who are unable to debate the two players on their merits.
Rioli averages 17 possessions a game, and he has 16 or more possessions in 10 of 11 full games he has played. Consistency.
He also has gone goalless in only two games this year. Consistency.
I dont think the gap between the two is as big as the Geelong supporters think. Rioli will take a bit longer to develop, but it would take a very brave man (read, stupid) to say that Rioli will never be as good as Selwood. Very different players so they will always be very difficult to compare.
Selwood is awesome, no question about it. He may be the best 20 year old to play the game.
Rioli has scary talent though. If he can consistantly play at his best he may end up being one of the all time greats. Maybe.
Selwood is awesome, no question about it. He may be the best 20 year old to play the game.
Rioli has scary talent though. If he can consistantly play at his best he may end up being one of the all time greats. Maybe.
I am one for Selwood now and Selwood in the future. However Rioli could easily overtake him and has the potential to be one of the best players ever.
But your comment humored me greatly. Rioli kicked 1 goal or less in 7 of 11 games? As HP said, nice use of selective stats. Also forget the fact he plays in the centre and not the forward line. Also forget the fact he was probably winning Hawks B and F for a reason.
Most people you will find atm will be on the Selwood bandwagon. There is no need to make outrageous statements with useless, unfound and very selective stats. It only makes you look like a clown.
So Rioli is either a forward who fails to kick a great deal of goals or a midfeilder who fails to see much of the ball.
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Selwood is the next Voss. Will be one of the best of our generation.
Rioli is like Hird. Early on in his career Hird also drifted in an out of games.
I hope we are still debating this issue for many, many, many years and after their careers because these two guys are special.
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Hird>Voss
Rioli is like Hird. Early on in his career Hird also drifted in an out of games.
I hope we are still debating this issue for many, many, many years and after their careers because these two guys are special.
By the way...
Hird>Voss
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Stats mean nothing to a discussion about Rioli. He only needs to get the ball 4 times a quarter to cut the opposition apart.
As Geelong fans you should be well aware of that.
I suppose it is lucky for him that he only averages 4 touches a quarter then.
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Well it's been enough to have him on the lips of everyone as the most talented youngster getting around, and draw comparisons to Ablett Jr and his Uncle Maurice.
Imagine when he starts getting 25 possies a game.
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He plays in both positions so his stats will be less in both categories. He's a part time midfielder, part time forward. The great thing is that he does everything well.
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Steve Johnson does both, as does Paul Chapman, and their stats are quite high. Maybe Cyril will get to that level one day, who knows?
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SJ averages 16 disposals a game. 2 goals a game. Enough goals for a small forward, not enough possessions for a midfielder.
Chapman averages 17 disposals a game. 1.3 goals a game. Not enough goals for a small forward, not enough possessions for a midfielder.
Cyril's on 14 disposals and 1.1 goals a game. He's behind these two geelong players on averages, but not by all that much.
A quick question to the Geelong supporters.
Who is the better player, Joel Selwood or Steve Johnson?
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