Autopsy Roast & Toast vs Hawthorn, Changes for Melbourne, Sunday July 30

[The Mighty]

We’re 7th on the ladder

Well, not for long, but still

If Norf and or Golden Labradors can get up

 

[Truetiger]

If Norf and or Golden Labradors can get up

lol I don't think its beyond Stkilda to lose to North.

 

[Tigerish09]

Gallant victory, we haven't won many games when we've been 30 points or more behind at 3/4 time. I think the players are really playing for this coach and willed themselves over the line. It's wonderful to see the never say die attitude but we should never have been in the position we were in. Thought we dominated most of the 3rd quarter for little scoreboard return but the major concern was conceding 6 goals in 10 minutes during the 2nd quarter. Our centre clearances issues are still present although the fact that Taranto kicked 3 goals and has now kicked 14 goals this season (he averaged 8 goals a year at GWS) would still see him as the recruit of the year. The poor goalkicking will I fear ultimately cost us this year and Riewoldt's attempts whether looking for a teammate or kicking for goal was horrendous, Cotchin's misses were equally inexcusable. I doubt either of them play next year, although they have been great servants of the club and we should not lose sight of that. Reckon Balta has gone up another level, he backs himself to take challenging marks and more often than not, takes them. Coultard good on debut, Baker is inspirational and how fitting that he kicks the winning goal. The umpiring is again ordinary, I think we've become so conditioned to it that it's a pleasant surprise when we break even in free kicks. It must be so frustrating being a Richmond player and copping this week in and week out.

 

[Conca Cuddle]

Happy to concede on McIntosh and Graham’s inclusions this week. I thought both were excellent in the last quarter. Graham’s gut-running and coverage across the ground, and McIntosh’s contested mark, goal, and defensive 1-1’s

 

[tigs2010]

I agreed with commentary about the free against Grimes. Mansell needed to make more of an effort to get to the ball and and fumble/knock it over the line. Except he stood back and watched it. Therefore the ump had no option but to penalise Grimes.

Pretend for a sec we are playing under the old 'deliberate' rule - if Grimes deliberately went for the boundary line and Mansell had a chance of keeping it in, but he chose to stand back and watch the ball go out of play, then Grimes would still be penalised for deliberate.

Apply the same logic to the new harsher OOB rule interpretation: Grimes was in the clear, in posseession, and he elected to kick the ball towards the boundary line. He isn't saved by the fact that it was roughly headed in Mansell's general direction. He needed to kick the ball further inside the field of play to Mansell. Not to the boundary line. When Mansell saw his kick was going out, he needed to make more an effort to get there and touch the ball.

That's the rule.

Anyway, fans complain WAY TOO MUCH about these frees. It rarely catches the defenders out. They've kicked the ball away from goal and they have numbers back ready to defend the next inside fifty. Much ado about nothing, I think.


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The 2 decisions which went Sicily's way are easily explainable. I'm not saying the ump was correct. Just playing devil's advocate and trying to understand WHY instead of labelling him a "cheating dog".

1. For the hold: The umpire was obviously blind-sided and he missed it. It happens. Umps aren't always in best position and they sometimes miss the obvious free that everyone else sees. It doesn't make them "corrupt". Ease up! Imagine if every time Jack Riewoldt missed a shot at goal, people accused him of match-fixing and taking bribes from bookies.

Perhaps another umpire could've awarded the free kick, but you rarely see that. It would be a massive call for an umpire 50m away to overrule the ump who was 15m away and give Jack a free shot at the goal in the 4th qtr of a close game.

2. For the in the back to Sicily... That was pretty well milked by Sic. Jack put a hand in his back and gave him a little push and Sicily fell forwards. Annoying for Jack and tigers fans, but you can't exactly complain about it. This is how the game is umpired. if you get in someone's back and they go to ground, a free kick is always likely. (Although, Marlion Pickett seemed to get away with a few against Sicily)


They were hardly "momemtum changers". Richmond had all the momentum. These decisions didn't result in Hawthorn goals.

A momentum changing decision was the "dangerous tackle" against Reeves to Soldo in the 1st quarter. Hawks were leading 4 goals to 1. They were well on top. Soldo grabbed the ball, was tackled, made no effort to dispose of it and was taken to the ground.

For the last 120 years, that's been holding the ball. But under the current shitty rule interpretation, crafty players have quickly learned to hold onto the ball and let themselves be rag-dolled in order to milk a dangerous tackle. Doesn't make it right. It sucks.

Goal to Richmond and then another... There's your "momentum changer".
Hawks went into quarter time with a 6 point lead after they'd dominated the 1st quarter.

Wow you really backed one out here. Reeves won’t be playing next week lol

 

[archer the tiger]

shemans will pump us next week

We have nothing to lose next week. If anyone is going to do some pumping it’s the Tiger Army against them Feckless Felchers!

 

[Truetiger]

We have nothing to lose next week. If anyone is going to do some pumping it’s the Tiger Army against them Feckless Felchers!

Beat Melbourne and we make the 8. As long as we continue to win the games we should.

 

[smasha]

Heart in mouth stuff, great win Tigers

Good man

 

[biaseddustyfan]

meatball to coach us next year

 

[archer the tiger]

Was on the shower for the last 10 mins. Listened to it on the radio. Barred up.

I was on the Grill for the last 10 minutes! Charred Up

 

[KJpie]

Good man

Cheers, class act as always Smasha.
Enjoy the win and a coldy or 2 tonight mate

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We're ****ed against the Dees next week if we don't find another tall in a hurry to keep Lever and May occupied.

Depending on if Grundy comes back in, I'd be tempted to try something different and throw Young forward.

Lynch in a moonboot

 

[Bobblefighter]

Just got back from the game, what a nailbiter! Went with a Hawks fan and he was sitting there with that Vietnam stare while I was screaming my head off. Still annoyed at those deliberate calls though, they were RIGHT! IN! FRONT! OF! ME!

 

[TigerImposter]

Watching the reply of the last and noticed another move Mini made

Moved Pickett into the ruck to take a few centre bounces
Resulted in our first centre clearance of the qtr

I said in the game day thread to do that halfway in the third so we could throw one of our rucks forward to help Jack. It was an obvious move to stop the damage Sicily was doing and to bring a player like Pickett into the game.

 

[Downtown06]

shemans will pump us next week

Does that faux tough guy lever still have that stupid Moe??

 

[Freddy Swift]

Reeves will be suspended for sure. The AFL media have already seen to that. The MRO (Michael Christian) doesn't review games and make independent decisions. He reacts to the commentary and to the media drawing his attention to various incidents. Nathan Buckley was pretty determined to act as judge, jury and executioner against Reeves and they replayed it 5 times. There's also a clip on the AFL website asking if Reeves is in "hot water"... He is gone...

It still doesn't change the fact that for 120 years of footy, Soldo would've been penalised for holding the ball. But now we let players get away with that. Nor does it alter my opinion the current 'dangerous tackle' rule stinks and it's being milked by players. (Only the AFL kool-aid drinkers would think otherwise)


It'll be very interesting to see if Sam Banks is scrutinised for his sling tackle on Dylan Moore (with 2:40 left in the 3rd quarter)

For some strange reason, King and Buckley opted to stay silent about this one. I heard Bucks mutter something (Ooh! Another sling tackle?) But he was noticeably less strident, even thought it was pretty much identical to Reeves vs Soldo. Just a different camera angle. It didn't occur in the middle of the ground with a side-on camera view. Happened down beneath the camera near the interchange bench.

Bucks was quite forthright about there being "no head contact" (with the ground) even though there clearly was.

I'm betting Banks won't be scrutinised because it was glossed over the commentators and media.
That's how it works. The media picks and chooses who they go after and the MRO reacts accordingly.




Anyway, I've said my piece, so I'll leave it there. I'm still curious to know why people here thought the umps were against them. What were the other decisions that went against Richmond that you disagreed with?

I didn't think the umpires had a huge influence, this way or that. There were the usual errors & line-ball decisions which went both ways. The umps missed an obvious free to Jack in the last quarter, but the Tigers were gifted a goal before 3/4 time from a thin-skinned Poindexter who penalised Sicily for dissent.

i don't want it to sound like I'm whinging about the umps or about us losing... The best team won in the end. Hawks were tenacious and plucky for 3 quarters. But a great last quarter by Richmond and an equally poor last quarter by Hawthorn.

Good luck over the next month.

Well you DO sound like you’re whinging and nobody asked you to come on to the Richmond board and give your opinions. So go away.

 

[fargothegreat]

Cotch with the match winning points.

Cumbo should play ahead of Cotch. He's a far more damaging forward, and there's no room for Cotch in the middle.

 

[Truetiger]

I said in the game day thread to do that halfway in the third so we could throw one of our rucks forward to help Jack. It was an obvious move to stop the damage Sicily was doing and to bring a player like Pickett into the game.

Good to see Mini making the required changes to get us back into games. Lets hope it continues, look forward to seeing how we go vs Melb.

 

[Groupie_]

lets go to the disco

 

[TigerImposter]

Well you DO sound like you’re whinging and nobody asked you to come on to the Richmond board and give your opinions. So go away.

You tell them Freddy as I’m the only one that’s allowed to whinge in here.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Lynch in a moonboot

No chance of coming back this year I reckon

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

I mentioned a bit about my theory on momentum during the week and I reckon it was clarly demonstrated today. We had control of the game, about to go further in front and then for whatever reason Miller decides not to kick from 10 metres and handball off to Cotch. I hate that.

He misses, as he was under a bit of pressure and then the ball goes down the other end for a goal, and then another and another.

It was us getting ahead of ourselves, doing fancy shit. We'd taken over the game, reeled in the lead against a team we reckon we should beat. Blowing that opportunity leaves you a bit flat and the opposition get a kick out of it.

Anyway, we got away with it.

Thankfully, we chose Coulthard as sub. We don't win without that.

 

[domin8]

No chance of coming back this year I reckon

Already been ruled out

 

[Sir_Loin]

I mentioned a bit about my theory on momentum during the week and I reckon it was clarly demonstrated today. We had control of the game, about to go further in front and then for whatever reason Miller decides not to kick from 10 metres and handball off to Cotch. I hate that.

He misses, as he was under a bit of pressure and then the ball goes down the other end for a goal, and then another and another.

It was us getting ahead of ourselves, doing fancy s**t. We'd taken over the game, reeled in the lead against a team we reckon we should beat. Blowing that opportunity leaves you a bit flat and the opposition get a kick out of it.

Anyway, we got away with it.

Thankfully, we chose Coulthard as sub. We don't win without that.

Did Cotch call for it? I hope he didn't.

Anyway for Miller there's a few things that irk me. The guy is built like a brick shitehouse but he's a gentle giant. We need him to discover his inner mongrel, because his lack of competitiveness is what is stalling his career. He should have kicked that goal after taking great grab. He's been in the system long enough he needs to start showing some big improvement.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Already been ruled out

for the granny?