Autopsy Roast & toast vs Melbourne and changes for round 21 vs Western Bulldogs

[Hoos]

Hammy shouldn’t be so *ing hard , heck even prestia has come back from them before and grimesy ,,,this is bs

He (Meehan) can't even give a straight answer when he does his bullshit injury report. Every answer is short term, mid term or long term. How about telling us how many weeks instead? Answer: he can't because he doesn't have a ****ing clue!!

 

[Noidnadroj]

Yep. Especially when you consider the 7 year contract we gave him + the fact we didn't even really need him as we had already locked in Taranto.

It was a desperate, reckless and will be damaging, longterm. Can't see his tenure ending well

I disagree. Assuming Cotchin retires this year and Prestia end of 2024, take me through our midfield 2025 onwards??

Taranto
Bolton

Then who?

A 34yo Martin
A still unknown Sonsie
Dow (probably delisted)
Baker? (We need him in other positions)
Graham? He’s really not a mid.
Short? He’s much better off half back.

People are too busy thinking about 2023 where we still have Cotchin, Prestia and Martin who can play midfield.

Yes, I’d prefer to not have given him 7-years, but I’m sure it’s the same money as he would have gotten over 6-years and enabled us to spread it out, so no big deal.

And didn’t we get back a pick for the 31… 31 turns into late-30’s anyway this year which is an absolute lottery. So it’s really a single pick.. hopefully around 9-10.

Hopper is a very good player … give him a chance.


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[Noidnadroj]

Inside-50’s was 73-45. Demon forwards kicked 14.0. Anyone who thinks the positional change of Balta (who was getting well beaten anyway) cost us that game is delusional.

I repeat … 73-45 inside-50’s. No chance we are winning with that sort of discrepancy even if we had Rance, Scarlett and Leppitsch down back.

And I also don’t think we can be critical of Martin in the last quarter … he plays mid-fwd and I reckon the ball went into our forward half twice in the entire last 20-minutes of the game.


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[tigerdan]

I deplore the state of umpiring as a profession and for the caliber of soft **** it attracts to officiate. They should be sacked and the replacements dress in proper uniforms not this sportsgirl rubbish. The pansies we see poncing around can just **** off and take up ballet.

Having said all that, I can't rationalise away that the AFL deliberately has it in for us or that they are corrupt and betting on Richmond games. That just makes no sense.

There was a theory many years ago that the reason shit clubs like the Bulldogs got so many brownlow medallists was because of the colour of their uniforms, and that clubs that are predominantly dark got less votes. Obviously correlation is not causation but it's a possibility.

Would like to see the free kick differential for when we wear "premiership yellow". In theory it should be just as bad as when we wear "premiership black". But if we are better off wearing light colours, well it might be that simple.

 

[All Aust]

Exactly it's not like I'm contributing awesome content but it seems odd.
If you're going to steal someones username at least go straight to the top like Tiger71 or Michaels.

Live, Dream S_R. We believe!

 

[RJK Tiger]

I disagree. Assuming Cotchin retires this year and Prestia end of 2024, take me through our midfield 2025 onwards??

Taranto
Bolton

Then who?

A 34yo Martin
A still unknown Sonsie
Dow (probably delisted)
Baker? (We need him in other positions)
Graham? He’s really not a mid.
Short? He’s much better off half back.

People are too busy thinking about 2023 where we still have Cotchin, Prestia and Martin who can play midfield.

Yes, I’d prefer to not have given him 7-years, but I’m sure it’s the same money as he would have gotten over 6-years and enabled us to spread it out, so no big deal.

And didn’t we get back a pick for the 31… 31 turns into late-30’s anyway this year which is an absolute lottery. So it’s really a single pick.. hopefully around 9-10.

Hopper is a very good player … give him a chance.


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Yep so the midfield you are saying up above that is nothing, is nothing +Taranto & Hopper now.

The club probably didn't need to top up to be 10th - it needed to bottom out and get 1 or 2 top 3 picks, or at least young talent equal to those picks.

That is where a rebuild really starts for me - a top 3 pick that lands. Cotchin. Dustin. Build around that.


An example is West Coast. Last year they had the #2 pick in their hands & got involved in the Horne-Francis trade. They turned Pick 2, 40 & Jnr Riolo into 8, 12 in 2022 &+ 34 + 52 in 2023. They had Harry Sheezel in their grasp & gave it up to get Ginbey & Hewitt. I think generally 2.5/3 top 3 picks always ends up being a Star. Generally when it fails its more to do with injury or bad luck, or just a horrendous reach from a dumb club ( Aaron Fiora).

The hardest thing in this league to get is Elite young talent. Once you got that, it can change your clubs fortunes. Port are a great example, their future looks pretty bloody bright with Horne-Francis(1), Rozzee(5) Butters(12)

 

[Do the Dew]

I deplore the state of umpiring as a profession and for the caliber of soft utensil it attracts to officiate. They should be sacked and the replacements dress in proper uniforms not this sportsgirl rubbish. The pansies we see poncing around can just * off and take up ballet.

Having said all that, I can't rationalise away that the AFL deliberately has it in for us or that they are corrupt and betting on Richmond games. That just makes no sense.

There was a theory many years ago that the reason s**t clubs like the Bulldogs got so many brownlow medallists was because of the colour of their uniforms, and that clubs that are predominantly dark got less votes. Obviously correlation is not causation but it's a possibility.

Would like to see the free kick differential for when we wear "premiership yellow". In theory it should be just as bad as when we wear "premiership black". But if we are better off wearing light colours, well it might be that simple.

I think that was a US basketball study. And yes teams wearing darker uniforms got treated more harshly than ones in lighter colours.

Clearly the answer for us is to wear the yellow with the black sash for every game.

 

[Freddy Swift]

Held off posting last night. I was completely livid at the standard of "umpiring" and I felt terrible after leaving the game after the Broad was takled high in the goalsquare but the umpiring "mistake" led to yet ANOTHER free kick and goal - 5 goals from free kicks in a game of football.... Only can happen against us. As I stood there watching the players body language, totally defeated as they can't do anything at all except accept another incorrect decision leading to a Demons goal. It hit me - if WE feel like crap watching this obvious corruption, how do they feel ?

The first quarter was like a final - fast moving and free flowing. We were penalized with bad decisions out of the back half, but we had Soldo manfully playing his role giving Dusty and Bolton first use of the ball. Dusty was putting on a clinic, and if we had Lynch in the first quarter, we would have been 6 goals up. Again, it was like a final and even the Umps put away the whistle completely... or so we thought. 20 points up and we had all the momentum and here comes the men in phlegm. After not paying 50/50 all quarter, they manufactured them for the Demons with questionable 50M penalties that have not been paid all year, but here we are.... Our lead almost gone. Enter Grimes with some horrible hesitancy going for the ball our lead is gone. but we manfully fought back to around an 18 point lead and as expected, the umps intervened again - right on cue. TWICE the centre bounce was outside the circle and benefitted Gawn, TWICE he belted the ball forward like a tennis serve, and TWICE it led to Demons goals. But in the second half, the ball was almost outside the circle, but Gawn fell over his shoelace and Soldo belted the ball forward for Bolton / Prestia to run on to, but the ball was recalled. That my friends, is not umpiring, it is cheating. There were MANY more mistakes that seem to favor the Dees, and the advantage rule was introduced for a reason for 17 teams, but not us. Called back TWICE...

Grimes cost us 4 goals and on the back of such a poor year, that was the worst I've seen him play. Although he has set a high standard, he is so out of form he should be rested. Cotchin had a brief cameo or two, but he needs a rest and a farewell game against North would be perfect. Jack is an interesting problem as he has had 2 defenders on him his entire career and he just can't do it any longer. Lynch should have taken the best defender allowing Jack more freedom to move around with the second or third best defender on him. His effort is still 100% but he has no support. This is where the Match committee are royally screwing up. If Cumberland leaves for more opportunities, I won't blame him, but I will blame the club as he has been horribly managed. We are basically a one man show up forward, and that forward is almost our oldest player. Subbing Miller instead of Cotchin, Grimes, Mansell, Graham or Pickett was unprofessional. Who the hell makes such stupid calls needs to go.

Mini is not the man for the job as he is too entrenched with the establishment. Dimmas' assistants will no doubt do well OUTSIDE the RFC as they have a new list to work with. But mini has relationships with the players, like Dimma, and we need to move on. Subbing Miller, not resting older players, throwing Balta forward when our backline was getting reamed by 3 no name players and leaving Soldo on the bench while Gawn was ripping a new one is enough for me. Don't want him coaching at the club at all. I want a new face with new ideas.

For 3 quarters we did enough to show that we can almost match it with a top 4 side with 22 players on the field. Losing Lynch has been a huge issue for us all year, but if he played just one game to prove we are not completely finished - this was the game. Dusty put on a clinic in the first half, Vlastuin was a lone man down back, Bolton was electric out of the middle and Soldo battled manfully for a player that is not fully match conditioned. Gibcus would have been handy as well. Leadership in the last quarter was non existent. Nothing out of our leaders other than continual mistakes from the like of Grimes. With the undisciplined Nankervis watching on, we had nothing except Vlasuin TRYING to hold it together in the backline onslaught. Finally, my last vision leaving the game was him looking the heavens and laughing at the Broad / Pickett umpire screw up that gifted the Dees ANOTHER goal. Grimes and Nank should no longer be captain. Baker, Vlasuin or Short are my short list.. I DID like Young's game and Banks showed some really good signs.

For those asking for Pickett to be dropped - We have not had any quality F/S for a few years and there might be 4 for the taking... Just another season and they qualify. But knowing the AFL, they will change the requirement to 150 games - just for us. Bookmark it.

If I was on the Match Committee, I'd be pulling aside Banks, Young, Cumberland, Clarke and possibly Bauer and informing them they will be playing out the rest of the season pending fitness in the seniors as we look towards the future. Let them learn their roles. Get some games into them now.

I'm not going to any more games this year as I'm done with the standard of umpiring, and sick of the RFC selling Members seats to oppo supporters to get drunk and abuse our players. Can't wait for the next "Matchday Survey". If one of our premiership heroes retire in the game against North, I might go. They have no supporters to sell our seats to...

There is no way we will get anywhere near beating Bulldogs at Marvel with their blessed Umpire treatment, and we have multiple over's 30 year olds that are simply not going to get up in time (5 Day break).

Out - Graham, Cotchin, Mansell, Miller, Grimes
In - Coulthard, Nankervis, Short, Clarke, Cumberland

Great post.

 

[TiggerMan22]

after listening the Minis post match, I have a feeling that Dimma has had too much of an influence on him, that Balta move up forward was done by dimma before. which I still think is the wrong move ATM. Soldo and Nank won't work now because our team is slower than it was when they combined.

Or maybe......they know more than you? I dunno why you're thought is basically, 'Why are all these professional coaches making a different choice than me.......they must all be wrong since I can't be"

Balta up forward is a reasonable move to make. We have literally 1 dedicated forward and logically Balta has the tools to be an incredible forward. Strength, leap, good mark, reads the ball well, can kick it 60m. And we have enough KPD to cover that spot.

Yes it hurts our defense since hes been so good, but our offense is so bad you would take that hit if he could perform well in the forward line.

 

[LTT]

Or maybe......they know more than you? I dunno why you're thought is basically, 'Why are all these professional coaches making a different choice than me.......they must all be wrong since I can't be"

Balta up forward is a reasonable move to make. We have literally 1 dedicated forward and logically Balta has the tools to be an incredible forward. Strength, leap, good mark, reads the ball well, can kick it 60m. And we have enough KPD to cover that spot.

Yes it hurts our defense since hes been so good, but our offense is so bad you would take that hit if he could perform well in the forward line.

The logic of moving Balta forward seems ok. It was taking Miller off that seemed strange especially when he is a defender and a reasonable second ruck. Yet we kept Cotchin on who looked slow and Grimes who looked out of form on the ground. The thing I really don’t understand is why we will still pick Cotchin and Grimes this week

 

[Oldest Tiger]

Or maybe......they know more than you? I dunno why you're thought is basically, 'Why are all these professional coaches making a different choice than me.......they must all be wrong since I can't be"

Balta up forward is a reasonable move to make. We have literally 1 dedicated forward and logically Balta has the tools to be an incredible forward. Strength, leap, good mark, reads the ball well, can kick it 60m. And we have enough KPD to cover that spot.

Yes it hurts our defense since hes been so good, but our offense is so bad you would take that hit if he could perform well in the forward line.

Or maybe Balta was having a sh..t game and mini tried him in the ruck where he went worse then was sent forward with no impact. It was not our forwards who lost the game.

 

[tora tora tora]

Yep. Especially when you consider the 7 year contract we gave him + the fact we didn't even really need him as we had already locked in Taranto.

It was a desperate, reckless and will be damaging, longterm. Can't see his tenure ending well

One midfielder would've been ideal. 2 players I thought we'd be more competitive. The loss of draft picks is the concern. Some high draft picks would've been handy. Going to have to rely on F/Agency.

2 GWS mids also cost our depth mids games.

 

[tiger_tough]

Ryan Gardner in doubt for the dogs. That means Gardner, Bruce and Keath are all out leaving only Liam Jones

19

Liam Jones

Age

33

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

who is likely to return as their only legit KPD. Bauer and Nank should come back in to stretch their defence.

 

[Groupie_]

Ryan Gardner in doubt for the dogs. That means Gardner, Bruce and Keath are all out leaving only Liam Jones who is likely to return as their only legit KPD. Bauer and Nank should come back in to stretch their defence.

havent heard of any of em

 

[chriso11]

Ryan Gardner in doubt for the dogs. That means Gardner, Bruce and Keath are all out leaving only Liam Jones who is likely to return as their only legit KPD. Bauer and Nank should come back in to stretch their defence.

Yep, our strategy of bombing it to our KPF lineup of Pickett, Graham, geriatric Jack and Baker might finally work

 

[chriso11]

havent heard of any of em

I think Nank might be the guy we appointed captain. Not sure though as he is either suspended or injured most the time

 

[tiger_tough]

havent heard of any of em

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[tora tora tora]

Ryan Gardner in doubt for the dogs. That means Gardner, Bruce and Keath are all out leaving only Liam Jones who is likely to return as their only legit KPD. Bauer and Nank should come back in to stretch their defence.

Nank will come in and I'd like to see bauer play too
Miller not doing a heap. Pickett back up ruck? Soldo off the bench?

 

[tiger_tough]

Nank will come in and I'd like to see bauer play too
Miller not doing a heap. Pickett back up ruck? Soldo off the bench?

Yeah I reckon miller will go out and we'll play 2 rucks. Bauer forward for Pickett too I hope.

If pickett isn't playing wing he shouldn't be in the side IMO

 

[Bojangles17]

Yeah I reckon miller will go out and we'll play 2 rucks. Bauer forward for Pickett too I hope.

If pickett isn't playing wing he shouldn't be in the side IMO

Hope Bauer comes in , do teams come out tonight for Friday

 

[tiger_tough]

Hope Bauer comes in , do teams come out tonight for Friday

Tomorrow night.

 

[Vassp]

Or maybe......they know more than you? I dunno why you're thought is basically, 'Why are all these professional coaches making a different choice than me.......they must all be wrong since I can't be"

Balta up forward is a reasonable move to make. We have literally 1 dedicated forward and logically Balta has the tools to be an incredible forward. Strength, leap, good mark, reads the ball well, can kick it 60m. And we have enough KPD to cover that spot.

Yes it hurts our defense since hes been so good, but our offense is so bad you would take that hit if he could perform well in the forward line.

Or maybe we know more than them sometimes. Do you think everything they do is right?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I feel that the cliff has arrived for grimes. He is approaching it quickly as he gazes over the descent into bass strait.

The captaincy is a vexed issue. can you drop a skipper? well yes of course, but optics etc. Nank and grimes in theory thus have to play.

the good times were great. Leadshehip everywhere perhaps a function of the system. But time catches up, and now the dearth is here.

Oh yeah the Cliff...carefully managed by courtesy of the quadmaggotty...has arrived for Grimes...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Inside-50’s was 73-45. Demon forwards kicked 14.0. Anyone who thinks the positional change of Balta (who was getting well beaten anyway) cost us that game is delusional.

I repeat … 73-45 inside-50’s. No chance we are winning with that sort of discrepancy even if we had Rance, Scarlett and Leppitsch down back.

And I also don’t think we can be critical of Martin in the last quarter … he plays mid-fwd and I reckon the ball went into our forward half twice in the entire last 20-minutes of the game.


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Let's get real here...73-45 inside-50's...even if we had Rance, Scarlett, Leppitsch, Lever down back....is no influence against the quadmaggotory...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Bulldogs will fly out of their kennels like greyhounds against us...watch their mid fielders try and destroy us first Quarter! Quad maggotts will allow a throw here, there and make sure they have their fair share of frees...need to match them for speed...or we are dead!
The maggotts have now got their free kick programe agin us worked out...let the first 2 quarters go...then make it hard for the Tigers to maintain a lead or obtain one...with the last two Q's...makes for a great exciting last Q televised spectacle!