MRP / Trib. Robbie 1 game

[liam123]

Garbage suspension. Was going for the ball and when he realized he
Couldn’t contest for it he just braced for impact (instinct reaction by body to protect the spine and head). Should have been a 50m penalty and that’s it. All this outside manipulation is messing with the game

 

[GremioPower]

Complete waste of $10K!!

It is not. Now, we can publicly call bullshit on the court if there is a different decision; specially if it means someone would play against us. We can't take the foot out of the padel. They called their bullshit; they must hold it, now.

 

[Topkent]

Charlie Dixon my new favorite player.



“What’s a player supposed to do? They’re both sort of going at the ball and the ball’s bounced up.

“I was sitting on the bench and looking at it, it looks like Robbie’s tried to take the ball and his arms didn’t raise or anything like that.

“I don’t even know what the system is, what the rules are, what you can and can’t do — no one does.

“To be honest, I don’t think it was anything.”

Dixon said he was annoyed by the haziness around bump rules, considering that footy is 360-degree contact sport.

“We don’t know where we stand with it either,” he said.

“I get that annoyed with it. It’s a contact sport, we play a contact sport — you’ve got to realise that and s*** happens.”


In regards to high tackles-

"They tell us every year they’re not going to pay the high tackle rule where they put the arm up … they can do that,” Dixon said.

“In big times, big situations they do pay it. But, anyway, that’s just what it is.”

 

[CrowBloke]

I use to like my football.....

Others use, as a form of escape ... me, I have a Wild Turkey and Coke to like my football.

Jokes aside --- Gray (elite player, and clean) is dead stiff, Cotchin should have got at least 2 games and your Club is 10K poorer. Totally unfair.

 

[GremioPower]

Both were adjudged to have both hands near the ball. Which is what they what they would advise Robbie to do next time. Make sure you're reaching for the ball at the very least.

Can you point me exactly where Cotchin's hands are? It appears to me that he has ONE hand near the ball, not both.

 

[jesterwester]

Seriously, I don't see what you see. The framing is in SLOW MOTION, for Christ's sake. In actual speed, when exactly does it become clear that McGovern will get the ball first? Right before the impact. There is time for nothing. Both players are focused on the ball.

Sorry to intrude, but that’s the part that annoys me a lot actually.

Slow motion isn’t a fair way to judge when looking at things like this. Gray had a few milliseconds to react. And I think they said he would have got off if he tried to tackle. At the time he made the decision to brace/bump the ball was very much in dispute. He didn’t line him up.

You can also judge the severity of an incident by the immediate reaction of the opposition. We gave nothing apart from a small shove to the chest from Schofield. That says it all.

Unfortunately for us, we lost Gov for the day. But it’s a contact sport, unfortunately things like that are going to happen.

 

[TeeKray]

Seriously, I don't see what you see. The framing is in SLOW MOTION, for Christ's sake. In actual speed, when exactly does it become clear that McGovern will get the ball first? Right before the impact. There is time for nothing. Both players are focused on the ball.

The AFL have been trying to remove the bump from the game since 2005. Players still use the bump as a defensive weapon and as a way to compete for a 50/50 football. But they must understand and we must understand that they are rolling the dice every time they do so - a head high hit that causes a concussion and they are gone!

At the end of the day, Robbie chose to bump. This 'it's a contact sport' thing goes both ways - the idea that leaving himself open to a bit of contact is tantamount to running out in front of a bus rather than risking slight contact from an opponent coming in from an angle trying to win the football is ridiculous.

Look, I feel sorry for Robbie. It was a split second decision that he got slightly wrong and he pays a heavy price for that. But like it or not, the rules are pretty clear on bumping.

 

[GremioPower]

The AFL have been trying to remove the bump from the game since 2005. Players still use the bump as a defensive weapon and as a way to compete for a 50/50 football. But they must understand and we must understand that they are rolling the dice every time they do so - a head high hit that causes a concussion and they are gone!

At the end of the day, Robbie chose to bump. This 'it's a contact sport' thing goes both ways - the idea that leaving himself open to a bit of contact is tantamount to running out in front of a bus rather than risking slight contact from an opponent coming in from an angle trying to win the football is ridiculous.

Look, I feel sorry for Robbie. It was a split second decision that he got slightly wrong and he pays a heavy price for that. But like it or not, the rules are pretty clear on bumping.

Tee, you must have missed some of my comments. If AFL had simply outlawed Gray's play, we would be discussing the law; not, the ruling. The fact, though, is that the league didn't outlaw the play. The decision is based on the assumption that Gray could have acted differently — which he couldn't. AFL are basically saying that they may judge the same play differently next time due "reasons." It is not the suspension the issue here, but how and why Gray got suspended.

 

[mick500]

This decision reminds me of this song. Specifically the start of the 3rd verse. “What the game coming to? Lucky I’m here to save it who the **** are you”..



Interstate sides seriously need to make noise about the double standards when it comes to this shit. As even port fans have mentioned. Cotchin. Last year.

I know fines are dealt out for speaking out against decisions , but if the interstate sides came together in 1 press conference and said “enough”. We would have more of a chance.

Remember that final against hawthorn you guys stormed home in and got absolutely robbed? Remember that final the crows played against hawks in 2013 I think and absolutely robbed. Remember that Sydney gf against bulldogs and absolutely robbed , remember that freo Geelong final they moved to skilled at the last second and it was 30 frees to 3 at half time or something and when freo still won they refused to play the freo song and Johnson and Selwood sooked and wouldn’t shake hands? it honestly feels like we might as well not turn up because they don’t want us there . That’s obvious.

If that’s the case let’s just start our own ****ing interstate competition and leave the failing vicco clubs that can’t support themselves financially to fall. We prop them up. We get the shit time slots and are expected to sell out the shit time slots. Meanwhile north vs Gold Coast (afl love child) Saturday night match round 1 (crowd predictions? 12,000?) . Can’t wait for the other Saturday night blockbusters this year at a glance I see st.kilda vs Collingwood, Brisbane vs Collingwood, Gold Coast vs Collingwood.

Can’t wait for those blockbuster Saturday night games.

 

[VineValerian]

The AFL have been trying to remove the bump from the game since 2005. Players still use the bump as a defensive weapon and as a way to compete for a 50/50 football. But they must understand and we must understand that they are rolling the dice every time they do so - a head high hit that causes a concussion and they are gone!

At the end of the day, Robbie chose to bump. This 'it's a contact sport' thing goes both ways - the idea that leaving himself open to a bit of contact is tantamount to running out in front of a bus rather than risking slight contact from an opponent coming in from an angle trying to win the football is ridiculous.

Look, I feel sorry for Robbie. It was a split second decision that he got slightly wrong and he pays a heavy price for that. But like it or not, the rules are pretty clear on bumping.

Wrong.
He did not bump - he braced for a collision, despite the tribunal's bull**** argument otherwise. Had he attempted a bump, McGovern would have been far more seriously hurt.

His options to decide what to do, in 1.28 seconds, were:
1. do what he did - smart footy, minimal hurt to either player
2. drive through the contest and raise the arm/shoulder - and seriously injure the other bloke, massive suspension
3. dive for the ball low - and probably get suspended for taking the legs and cop a shin to the head for his trouble as well
4. not protect himself - and get busted jaw, ribs, etc and miss 10 weeks
5. not go for the ball and let the guy take it uncontested - would be dragged, delisted at year's end, be called a squib, and never be picked by any AFL club again, and have let his team mates down.

His actions were to be commended. I hope the club publicly backs Robbie in and as someone else posted, call out the AFL bullshit when they make a double standard and let someone off.

Also, the AFL has not said what action Robbie should have made. No clarity as to where the rule sits. No definitive way for coaches to instruct their players to act in similar circumstances. Nothing. Zilch. Zippo. Nought Nix. Nyet. Nein. The big goose egg. Daddles the Duck. Sweet Fanny Adams.

Typical AFL. Leaving themselves a convenient out for when Hodge or Buddy do a similar thing, and with no clear cut instruction in place, they can make an infinitesimal shift in adjudication to say that it was an "unavoidable football collision" and no case to answer, have a great day boys and see you next week

18 teams and 700 players still with no guidance from the powers that be as to what options you have in that scenario!

If they say you cannot even brace, then the players Association will arc up about not providing a safe workplace, etc and the AFL and clubs will be hit with dozens of claims worth tens of millions of dollars.

The upside is - Robbie was underdone and almost non existent on the weekend, and needs more time to be AFL ready. Normally he would have been eased back with around 40% to 50% maximum game time in JLT2, as he was against WC. Then he would go into round 1 still needing a decent hit out, and largely be a passenger for another week or two.

This way, he trains hard this week, plays 75% game time against the Cows to sharpen him up, has a week off in round 1 just to freshen up (as the chemo would be affecting his recovery), and he goes into round 2 refreshed, sharp, and likely to impact more productively.

Glass half full view.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The precedent has now been set...

...i'm sure it will be applied consistently during the course of the year*

*no, it won't, you got screwed, your club comes from the wrong state, and if you believe the consistency line, i've got a bridge to sell you

I first read that as "I've got a badge to sell you"

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[chiwigi]

The AFL have been trying to remove the bump from the game since 2005. Players still use the bump as a defensive weapon and as a way to compete for a 50/50 football. But they must understand and we must understand that they are rolling the dice every time they do so - a head high hit that causes a concussion and they are gone!

At the end of the day, Robbie chose to bump. This 'it's a contact sport' thing goes both ways - the idea that leaving himself open to a bit of contact is tantamount to running out in front of a bus rather than risking slight contact from an opponent coming in from an angle trying to win the football is ridiculous.

Look, I feel sorry for Robbie. It was a split second decision that he got slightly wrong and he pays a heavy price for that. But like it or not, the rules are pretty clear on bumping.

It is heading the way of rugby and rugby league where a shouder charge (bump in Aussie rules lingo) is not allowed unless you attempt to wrap the body with your arms.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I guess we could look on the bright side and think that if Robbie hadn't braced or had outstretched his arm as requested by the MRP then he could have been out for a lot longer, with a serious injury.
Hopefully the AFLPA are looking at what the AFL are promoting very carefully.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Shit decision but not suprised.

Be prepared to be more bamboozled during the year.

 

[raptalia]

**** I hope the 2018 Grand Final has 10 clashes exactly like this and 10 concussions evenly spread between the 2 teams. Lets see how the pricks at the AFL handle it then.

No one really wants to see players concussed but we have to wonder what the AFL will do when there is a game with multiple body clashes and injuries. The sanitising of the game has gone too far and the real worry is that there are people in the AFL who cannot see that.

I note that Charlie Dixon has called for clarification as to what constitutes a legitimate bump. I think the key issue in any bump is intent and the MRP and tribunal need to be able to determine intent. Robbie's bump was incidental rather than intentional and it is also a worry when some fool gets up and suggests that a player should consider pulling out of a contest.

 

[LFC2010]

10k is the penalty for not taking the "early plea" and being unsuccessful in the challenge. In the past it would have been an increased suspension period.

Also in the past this would’ve resulted in a reprimand with an early plea, but the again the mrp guy would’ve found a way to increase it to 3 weeks

 

[scotty13]

crap decision by a corrupt organisation.
There is absolutely no reason for that suspension. It is time the AFL allow precedence to stop this garbage happening!

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Mark Griffin QC not Greg Griffin. He used to be a district court judge.

Yes I knew it wasn’t Greg, I was simply replying to a post which suggested It was “Griffin” who had said that Robbie could run away from the contest.

I am sure neither the PAFC or GG want anything to do with each other. Long may that be the case.

 

[scotty13]

10k is the penalty for not taking the "early plea" and being unsuccessful in the challenge. In the past it would have been an increased suspension period.

I thought the rule was is you appealed but brought no new evidence to the case then you get slapped with the 10k 'fine', however if you brought new evidence but still lost, no penalty was imposed?

 

[Rigs]

As a few of you said, it was not a bump, it was a brace for impact. So the question is more "what you need to do instead of bracing for impact". The answer from both MRP and AFL will make them look stupid.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

I thought the rule was is you appealed but brought no new evidence to the case then you get slapped with the 10k 'fine', however if you brought new evidence but still lost, no penalty was imposed?

That was the case under the previous system. Or was it the one before that? Or the one before that?........

 

[Tredz]

Everyone is scrutinizing Grays actions but why has no-one scrutinized the actions of McGovern - did he not also have a duty of care? Seems his actions were not only dangerous but also reckless.

 

[Rigs]

Everyone is scrutinizing Grays actions but why has no-one scrutinized the actions of McGovern - did he not also have a duty of care? Seems his actions were not only dangerous but also reckless.

Put himself in a vulnarable position. Isn't that why they're stamping out 'ducking'? what a joke

 

[Chrizzt]

I think the finer point missing from this is that the AFL are setting a dangerous precedent by telling players that bracing for impact could result in suspension. This could lead to even more severe head injuries and come back to bite them - legally - years down the track.

 

[Power Raid]

robbie came in too fast from the wrong angle.

he couldn't tackle as McGovern hadn't pick up the ball.
he couldn't pick up the ball as he was going in too fast and was too upright.
he couldn't even do a "don't argue" into the side of McGovern as he was on the wrong angle.

his only choice was to go the bump into McGoverns hips (probably resulting in a push in the back), grab the shirt and pull McGovern forward (probably holding the man), slow down for a contest he was already late for to create better options for himself, pull out or get lower and at least look like he was going for the ball