Robert Harvey vs Brad Ottens - who deserves a premiership medallion more?

[geelong_crazy26]

No, but it will make them seem dumb when they make such stupid statements. It took Geelong 44 years to win one. That's a point that no one can overlook, though ignorance is bliss isn't it. We've been here for 14 years. Anyone with the slightest mathematical or statistics background can see the logic. Geelong trolls on Bay13 are incapable. It's a hereditary thing.

we get that freo have been in the comp for only 14 years but all that means is that they have only had 14 years to build up a premiership drought.keep the insults coming I know you are losing the plot and probabley wont sleep tonight the truth does hurt if you are a freo supporter

 

[takeabowtredders]

I'm just going to give up because clearly you can't understand that 1/44 is still more than 0/14. I've celebrated an AFL premiership, you haven't.

 

[hoogs]

You love your mathematical chance scenarios, but the fact is you look about as good as Melbourne at the moment. When do you guys play them, that would be an interesting one? Oh wait...

Well it's just logic. 14 years as opposed to 44 years. Yes you have '1' and us none, but you had 30 years to do so.

And I knew and expected you to say just that when I brought it up, which is why I added on the present bit. The fact is, all 3 of those clubs are better than you right now, and have still had more successful histories.

It's round 7 mate. Those three teams can still finish outside of the eight this year.

When you win your first flag, assuming it doesn't take you 50 years, you will be more succesful than St. Kilda and the Dogs. Until then, you are the least succesful club in the league with 0 premierships. It's that simple. Don't go knocking other teams when you have nothing to say for your own mob.

We play in the AFL, not the VFL. Typical Victorian mentality..."Let's play a game with everyone against us."

 

[takeabowtredders]

Well it's just logic. 14 years as opposed to 44 years. Yes you have '1' and us none, but you had 30 years to do so.

Here's another example then: In your 14 years you've made the finals twice, whereas we've made the finals 4 times in the last 7 years (twice as much success in half the time). You can't even get to the Grand Final, and as much as it may hurt at least we were good enough to be in the top 2 those 5 times.

It's round 7 mate. Those three teams can still finish outside of the eight this year.

Yes, anything could happen, but they are palying better football than you now. Hypothetical situations will get you nowhere, you could be premiers in a few years, or you could end up folding. Who knows what the future holds?

We play in the AFL, not the VFL. Typical Victorian mentality..."Let's play a game with everyone against us."

If you want to take that attitude then it only took us 17 years to win a flag. So it's 1/17 and 0/14.

 

[hoogs]

I'm just going to give up because clearly you can't understand that 1/44 is still more than 0/14. I've celebrated an AFL premiership, you haven't.

My mate's brother didn't. He died in 06 after Geelong missed the finals. The last game of footy he ever saw was the Freo win over Melbourne in the Semi final. Devastating to see the guy die like he did and I hate to use him as an example, but people have died waiting. At least 'you' can celebrate your 44 year wait.

By the way, I have celebrated a premiership. 2 of them...over Geelong. I grew up with the Eagles and being a state side, I supported them. Did you watch those 2 GF's?

 

[takeabowtredders]

You are an absolute disgrace to humankind using someone's death to try to evoke a response on a message board. If that story is true, your mate's brother would be turning in his grave to hear that someone is using his tragic death to make a point that his football club is crap. Very very poor form.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

My mate's brother didn't. He died in 06 after Geelong missed the finals. The last game of footy he ever saw was the Freo win over Melbourne in the Semi final. Devastating to see the guy die like he did and I hate to use him as an example, but people have died waiting. At least 'you' can celebrate your 44 year wait.

By the way, I have celebrated a premiership. 2 of them...over Geelong. I grew up with the Eagles and being a state side, I supported them. Did you watch those 2 GF's?

lol what a great choice that was to leave west coast and support fremantle

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

What the hell are you on about? You say no one cares about what I have to say, but you are replying to me aren't you. You lot are just getting dumber and dumber by the minute.

Yup, still don't care.

YOU are the one who was trying to say that Corey was contracted. If he doesn't come back then fine, but the fact still remains, he is being targeted, he is a West Aussie and he is not contracted.

Well done, you found something to hang your hat on

Contenders. Again, look up the definition. Any team mathematically capable of reaching the finals is a contender. I don't expect the likes of yourself to understand.

The mating cry of the loser. Mathematically possible, lol. How bout we start a poll; Is Freo a contender? I think I know what the result would be.

Read the facts for gods sake. At the MCG against Collingwood. You're insinuating that 'I meant Shell Stadium.

I wasn't insinuating anything. To say that only 20k Geelong supporters turned up to either game v Collingwood at the MCG is pure fantasy.

 

[hoogs]

Here's another example then: In your 14 years you've made the finals twice, whereas we've made the finals 4 times in the last 7 years (twice as much success in half the time). You can't even get to the Grand Final, and as much as it may hurt at least we were good enough to be in the top 2 those 5 times.
Yeah you've made the finals plenty of times. 21 times for 1 premiership.

Yes, anything could happen, but they are palying better football than you now. Hypothetical situations will get you nowhere, you could be premiers in a few years, or you could end up folding. Who knows what the future holds?

Why would Freo fold in a few years? There is no chance.

If you want to take that attitude then it only took us 17 years to win a flag. So it's 1/17 and 0/14.

If you are happy to go by that, then fine. Too bad everyone else isn't.

I have to go now. Back tomorrow for another round weaners.

 

[hoogs]

You are an absolute disgrace to humankind using someone's death to try to evoke a response on a message board. If that story is true, your mate's brother would be turning in his grave to hear that someone is using his tragic death to make a point that his football club is crap. Very very poor form.

Not using to try and evoke a response. Evoking responses is what trolls like yourself do. I was simply making an extremely valid point. It is fact and relevant. Harden the ____ up.

 

[hoogs]

Yup, still don't care.

Well done, you found something to hang your hat on

The mating cry of the loser. Mathematically possible, lol. How bout we start a poll; Is Freo a contender? I think I know what the result would be.

I wasn't insinuating anything. To say that only 20k Geelong supporters turned up to either game v Collingwood at the MCG is pure fantasy.

Again, a load of hollow rhetoric. Have you ever made a post here that isn't so... 'Bay13'.

You didn't even know Joel Corey hadn't signed. You were trying to argue that he had and now you rightfully look like a dimwit. Who is going to take you seriously when you don't even know that. Not me. Out of all the posters here, you stand out as the dumbest of the lot.

 

[hoogs]

lol what a great choice that was to leave west coast and support fremantle

Yeah, it was inevitable.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Not using to try and evoke a response. Evoking responses is what trolls like yourself do. I was simply making an extremely valid point. It is fact and relevant. Harden the ____ up.

Brad Ottens is the most overrated player to play AFL in the last decade. He is a pathetic man and a pathetic player. Deal with it.

Again, a load of hollow rhetoric. Have you ever made a post here that isn't so... 'Bay13'.

You didn't even know Joel Corey hadn't signed. You were trying to argue that he had and now you rightfully look like a dimwit. Who is going to take you seriously when you don't even know that. Not me. Out of all the posters here, you stand out as the dumbest of the lot.

Yes, that's it, continue to dodge my post. Continue calling me schoolyard names, yes, I can taste your tears. I stand out as the one who has ripped on you the hardest. Deal with it.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yeah, it was inevitable.

I think that everyone would understand if you went back to west coast.Its wrong to change team but for freo supporters exceptions can be made

 

[takeabowtredders]

Not using to try and evoke a response. Evoking responses is what trolls like yourself do. I was simply making an extremely valid point. It is fact and relevant. Harden the ____ up.

If that helps you get through life. You are an absolute soft human being and you should be ashamed of yourself, bringing up a dead person to call a football team crap.

If you are happy to go by that, then fine. Too bad everyone else isn't.

I have to go now. Back tomorrow for another round weaners.

I get it, so what you're saying is basically that the history of the league isn't important whatsoever, and that we should only count what's happening in the AFL because it makes Fremantle look better... unless of course that argument goes the other way, and I'm trying to make fun of Geelong's premiership drought because that started in the VFL.

You made your bed now lie in it. We're having a decent debate here, calling me a troll is just dragging your own status down. I'm not the one who starts threads about the other teams every single day without fail like some of the trolls on here.

 

[bushie]

If that helps you get through life. You are an absolute soft human being and you should be ashamed of yourself, bringing up a dead person to call a football team crap.

It was death that was personal to hoogs.

Not you or the BF community.

There is nothing wrong with it at all.

Harden the ____ up son.

I get it, so what you're saying is basically that the history of the league isn't important whatsoever, and that we should only count what's happening in the AFL because it makes Fremantle look better.

NO.

It is because it is the only statistic where you can make an OBJECTIVE measurement of performance.

Pretty simple really.

Live with it!

 

[takeabowtredders]

It was death that was personal to hoogs.

Not you or the BF community.

There is nothing wrong with it at all.

Harden the ____ up son.






NO.

It is because it is the only statistic where you can make an OBJECTIVE measurement of performance.

Pretty simple really.

Live with it!

Then how about quoting the whole sentence and responding to it then instead of selectively choosing the parts which suit you?

I'll repeat it once more in simpler terms: If history only counts from the time that the AFL became the AFL, and the premierships won before that period don't count, then why is Geelong's drought 44 years if the AFL has only been around for 17?

 

[bushie]

Then how about quoting the whole sentence and responding to it then instead of selectively choosing the parts which suit you?

I quoted it selectively because the rest of it was drivel.

I'll repeat it once more in simpler terms: If history only counts from the time that the AFL became the AFL, and the premierships won before that period don't count, then why is Geelong's drought 44 years if the AFL has only been around for 17?

I didn't say that.

But you can't have it both ways if you are trying debate the topic with objectivity.

 

[Crow-mo]

Well it's just logic. 14 years as opposed to 44 years. Yes you have '1' and us none, but you had 30 years to do so.

well i won't even mention that a 44 year gap actually equates to a 22 yr per flag average over the observed period.

what i will mention is that statistically we can't even measure the probability of an event THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. There is no certainly that such an event is even possible

so before you get all worked up there einstein, just remember you can whinge and cry all you want about how done by you are, but no other expansion team had to wait even 10 years before it's first flag. in each case their entry conditions and concessions played a large part in acquiring the stock for their premierships. after 10 years those initial benefits have diminished, and in your case you failed to take advantage.

if you cannot win a flag with the entry leg up, then there has to be doubt on your ability to win one without.

you have a statistical uncertainty about whether you can win a flag, every other club can attempt to measure duration, you are reduced to only speculating about whether the event is even possible.

In every measure Geelong are far out in front of you.
Hell the old aphorism is that you are only as good as your last game - bzzzzt, not good for you there.
We could adapt it to your last finals appearance - bzzzzt, not good either.
What about your last premiership - oh dear

 

[Crow-mo]

oh, and one last thing Hoogs.

being in denial with your head up your arse, is not the same as holding up your end of an argument.

metaphorically you are sitting there with your fingers in your ears, humming "la la la... I can't hear you" and pretending you are doing rather well.

 

[bushie]

If you want to measure this argument by statistical analysis, then at least start with a level playing field and cold hard facts.

so before you get all worked up there einstein, just remember you can whinge and cry all you want about how done by you are, but no other expansion team had to wait even 10 years before it's first flag. in each case their entry conditions and concessions played a large part in acquiring the stock for their premierships. after 10 years those initial benefits have diminished, and in your case you failed to take advantage.

Classify an expansion team!!

Sydney?

Brisbane?

And quantify for me, if you will, how the concessions given to those teams equated to the favours offered to the FFC!!

if you cannot win a flag with the entry leg up, then there has to be doubt on your ability to win one without.

What leg-ups??

Let's keep it in context shall we!!

you have a statistical uncertainty about whether you can win a flag, every other club can attempt to measure duration, you are reduced to only speculating about whether the event is even possible.

And you're not speculating??

In every measure Geelong are far out in front of you.
Hell the old aphorism is that you are only as good as your last game - bzzzzt, not good for you there.
We could adapt it to your last finals appearance - bzzzzt, not good either.
What about your last premiership - oh dear

Drivel....in the CONTEXT of the discussion.

 

[hoogs]

Yes, that's it, continue to dodge my post. Continue calling me schoolyard names, yes, I can taste your tears. I stand out as the one who has ripped on you the hardest. Deal with it.

What post am I dodging. You claim victory, yet you thought Corey was contracted. What more is their to discuss? You have no idea of your own list, let alone others. Hardly anything to deal with. You're delusional if you think that you have dished out any poignant facts or points. Corey is not contracted. 'Deal with it.'

 

[hoogs]

I think that everyone would understand if you went back to west coast.Its wrong to change team but for freo supporters exceptions can be made

Why, who suggested that I would ever go back? No one. You're a moron. Carry on...

 

[takeabowtredders]

No bushie, you are full of drivel. You can not place a full stop in the middle of my sentence if you want to have a decent argument.

You can not have it both ways. Either the competition started in 1897 when the VFL began, or it started in 1990 when it became the AFL. Or if you really want, we can start from 1997, when Port Adelaide entered the competition and we got the current 16 teams.

You can't just pick and choose. If you want to only measure the competition from when it entered its current state when we're comparing Fremantle to Geelong or anyone else, then you can not decide that it only applies to some situations, and that Geelong's history, unlike the competition's, stretches back to 1963. If you want to talk AFL, then we don't have a 44 year drought. If you want to talk the competition since its inception 111 years ago, then yes we do have a drought, but it also means that today's crap sides have decent history.

Take your pick or explain why we should disregard common sense to please you.

 

[hoogs]

If that helps you get through life. You are an absolute soft human being and you should be ashamed of yourself, bringing up a dead person to call a football team crap.

You can interpret whichever way you like, but you're wrong. You said that it doesn't matter that you had to wait 44 years, because you have a premiership now and you've had a chance to celebrate it. I said that some people haven't had that chance because they couldn't hang on for long enough. If you have a problem with that then go suck on a bag of shafts.

I get it, so what you're saying is basically that the history of the league isn't important whatsoever, and that we should only count what's happening in the AFL because it makes Fremantle look better... unless of course that argument goes the other way, and I'm trying to make fun of Geelong's premiership drought because that started in the VFL.

All it means is that when comparing Freo to other teams, such as Richmond, you can't say they're more successful than us when we weren't in the competition to compete for those premierships.

You made your bed now lie in it. We're having a decent debate here, calling me a troll is just dragging your own status down. I'm not the one who starts threads about the other teams every single day without fail like some of the trolls on here.

True, I have noticed you are making a 'slight'effort to have a reasonable discussion here. Apologies for dragging you down to your the level of the other Geelong (and Crow) supporters here. If you look at what they've been posting, I'm sure you'd understand. Trying to say that I am a soft human and should be ashamed is not helping your cause though.