Robert Harvey vs Brad Ottens - who deserves a premiership medallion more?

[takeabowtredders]

Sorry but I just don't see how it is a valid point. You are trying to make my pain seem realer by referring to someone who died. That's not a good argument, and it is disrespectful to that person.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

What post am I dodging. You claim victory, yet you thought Corey was contracted. What more is their to discuss? You have no idea of your own list, let alone others. Hardly anything to deal with. You're delusional if you think that you have dished out any poignant facts or points. Corey is not contracted. 'Deal with it.'

Heh, yeah I guess you got me. Keep banging on about that pyrrhic victory you won there. I have dealt with it, and have spoken with someone who has been told by the man himself that he has no intention of going back to WA until after his footy career is over.

How about all of the tripe that you've come out with in this thread? Just going to pretend it didn't happen?

Soft.

 

[hoogs]

well i won't even mention that a 44 year gap actually equates to a 22 yr per flag average over the observed period.
Or two since 1953 if you like. Whatever floats your boat.

what i will mention is that statistically we can't even measure the probability of an event THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. There is no certainly that such an event is even possible

Well yes you theoretically can measure the 'probability', but the complex variables involved would make it near impossible to make an accurate assumption.

so before you get all worked up there einstein, just remember you can whinge and cry all you want about how done by you are, but no other expansion team had to wait even 10 years before it's first flag. in each case their entry conditions and concessions played a large part in acquiring the stock for their premierships. after 10 years those initial benefits have diminished, and in your case you failed to take advantage.

Well we didn't get a leg up mate. We've been given less than any other team. That's not necessarily the AFL's fault alone. The WAFC also played a big part in that. You probably don't have much of an understanding of West Australian football, but if you go and look up a bit of information on the way that Freo was formed, then you'll be sure to get a better idea of the difficulties we've faced.

if you cannot win a flag with the entry leg up, then there has to be doubt on your ability to win one without.

What leg up did we get? Please do explain what events gave us a leg up, in comparison with the other 'expansion' teams, as you label them.

you have a statistical uncertainty about whether you can win a flag, every other club can attempt to measure duration, you are reduced to only speculating about whether the event is even possible.

Well yes the event is possible, as their is no information to suggest that it is impossible, particularly considering the fact that it has been possible for the other 15 teams in the competition. I just hope that it will happen before 44 years have passed. Interesting how you don't have anything to say the Geelong supporters on here whose only comeback is 'Freo will never win'. Do you agree that their is no basis or evidence to make this comment. If you don't then you agree with that hypothesis then your theory is apparently nullified.

In every measure Geelong are far out in front of you.
Hell the old aphorism is that you are only as good as your last game - bzzzzt, not good for you there.
We could adapt it to your last finals appearance - bzzzzt, not good either.
What about your last premiership - oh dear

In every measure, or the last game? Make up your mind.
Judging a team on their last game is obviously dumb and your demise to the point where you are saying 'bzzzzzt' in your posts dents your credibility and peoples perception of your points.

The measure of success can only truly be premierships and yes it is well documented on this thread that Geelong have 1 and Freo have 0. Yes, they are ahead since Freo came into the competition. Would I be happy to win a premiership after 44 years...At the time yes, but I would be dirty on my club for making me wait so long. The pain would almost outweigh the enjoyment. The pain of watching another team win it for 44 years.

I would rather be in Freo's position with none after 14 years and knowing that we are going to be around to try and win more than 1 in the next 30 years, than to be guaranteed a premiership in 30 years time with none in the meantime.

I think that last paragraph pretty much sums it up. If you disagree then we will have to agree on our differing views.

 

[hoogs]

Heh, yeah I guess you got me. Keep banging on about that pyrrhic victory you won there. I have dealt with it, and have spoken with someone who has been told by the man himself that he has no intention of going back to WA until after his footy career is over.

How about all of the tripe that you've come out with in this thread? Just going to pretend it didn't happen?

Soft.

Everybody, stop the ____ing press!!!! Lunchlady Doris says that he has spoken to someone who says that he knows Joel Corey who says that he isn't coming back until after his football career. It's confirmed.

I can see the papers now!

All from someone who until I told him yesterday, thought that Corey had re-signed.

And you think I am coming out with tripe. At least I'm making points that have basis and can be discussed. You're just coming out here trying to hold face and protect your bruised ego.

BTW, what makes you think that Joel Corey has a choice in the matter?

 

[takeabowtredders]

Seriously what the hell does Joel Corey have to do with this? I thought West Coast were chasing him, not Freo. Yes, he is one of 3 players yet to sign, but I've always seen him as a loyal player, why would he want to leave a team during unprecedented success, while it is playing about as well as it ever has, and while all of his teammates are such a tight-knit bunch, to go to a) A team in absolute turmoil on and off the field (WC) or b) A team that is just in turmoil on the field.

 

[bushie]

No bushie, you are full of drivel. You can not place a full stop in the middle of my sentence if you want to have a decent argument.

You can not have it both ways. Either the competition started in 1897 when the VFL began, or it started in 1990 when it became the AFL. Or if you really want, we can start from 1997, when Port Adelaide entered the competition and we got the current 16 teams.

You can't just pick and choose. If you want to only measure the competition from when it entered its current state when we're comparing Fremantle to Geelong or anyone else, then you can not decide that it only applies to some situations, and that Geelong's history, unlike the competition's, stretches back to 1963. If you want to talk AFL, then we don't have a 44 year drought. If you want to talk the competition since its inception 111 years ago, then yes we do have a drought, but it also means that today's crap sides have decent history.

Take your pick or explain why we should disregard common sense to please you.

Great post.

That is exactly what I was saying to you.

I couldn't really care less about the lengths of droughts...yada, yada, yada.

All I was pointing out is that, if you are going to make a true analysis, and comparison, it has to begin from the same point.

Glad that we agree.

 

[bushie]

Heh, yeah I guess you got me. Keep banging on about that pyrrhic victory you won there. I have dealt with it, and have spoken with someone who has been told by the man himself that he has no intention of going back to WA until after his footy career is over.

How about all of the tripe that you've come out with in this thread? Just going to pretend it didn't happen?

Soft.

Well you are confusing me as well LLD.

As previously stated, a close relation works in the same organisation with me.

So yesterday afternoon I rang him and asked what Joel was doing.

He said that he was weighing up is options, and although still undecided, he had certainly not ruled out a return to WA.

And you know that I am not yanking your chain mate.

I owe you one.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Seriously what the hell does Joel Corey have to do with this?

The Joel Corey thing was one of many points that hoogs brought up in a string of fantasy trolls.

He claimed Freo would get Corey for peanuts. I said he wouldn't. hoogs keeps bringing it up because I was mistaken in the belief that he had re-signed with the Cats.

He also claims that Fremantle are premiership contenders, that only 20k Geelong fans turn up to games at the MCG, and that Brad Ottens is the most overrated player of the last decade, and a terrible person. He seems to have abandoned these delusions recently however in an attempt to focus on Joel Corey.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Well you are confusing me as well LLD.

As previously stated, a close relation works in the same organisation with me.

So yesterday afternoon I rang him and asked what Joel was doing.

He said that he was weighing up is options, and although still undecided, he had certainly not ruled out a return to WA.

And you know that I am not yanking your chain mate.

I owe you one.

Ah bushie, good on you helping us out with that one. If you and your friend had spent any time on the Geelong board, you would know we have a poster whose close family member is in a relationship with the man in question. I understand that's not going to hold much weight with Freo supporters desperate to lure an actual good player from another club for once.

If Joel knows what everyone else in the universe does, he will realise it would be better for him to sign with the Cats for petrol money and a free counter meal once a week, than pack his bags for the Dockers.

That sounds a bit narky, sorry.

 

[bushie]

Ah bushie, good on you helping us out with that one. If you and your friend had spent any time on the Geelong board, you would know we have a poster whose close family member is in a relationship with the man in question. I understand that's not going to hold much weight with Freo supporters desperate to lure an actual good player from another club for once.

If Joel knows what everyone else in the universe does, he will realise it would be better for him to sign with the Cats for petrol money and a free counter meal once a week, than pack his bags for the Dockers.

On the face of it, that would be the case.

And frankly, I have no friggen idea whether he will sign up with Geelong, St Kilda, WCE, Freo or the North Orioopta Cow pat throwing team.

I just know that he hasn't ruled out a return home and obviously we would welcome him with open arms.

Say what you want...but we have some very, very good kids and the nucleus of a good team after a cleanout.

At his age, that may....and only may....be appealing to him.

 

[Pipefitter]

Adem yze deserves one more.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

On the face of it, that would be the case.

And frankly, I have no friggen idea whether he will sign up with Geelong, St Kilda, WCE, Freo or the North Orioopta Cow pat throwing team.

I just know that he hasn't ruled out a return home and obviously we would welcome him with open arms.

Say what you want...but we have some very, very good kids and the nucleus of a good team after a cleanout.

At his age, that may....and only may....be appealing to him.

Jeez bushie, way to ruin the thread! Go to the main board if you want to be all reasonable about this

 

[hoogs]

Seriously what the hell does Joel Corey have to do with this? I thought West Coast were chasing him, not Freo. Yes, he is one of 3 players yet to sign, but I've always seen him as a loyal player, why would he want to leave a team during unprecedented success, while it is playing about as well as it ever has, and while all of his teammates are such a tight-knit bunch, to go to a) A team in absolute turmoil on and off the field (WC) or b) A team that is just in turmoil on the field.

Read back over the thread to find out why we were talking about Joel Corey, otherwise stay out of it. WC are chasing him. No doubt we will be as well. I can't imagine why he would want to leave, but I can see why Geelong might not be able to keep him. Salary cap anyone? But then it isn't up to the team is it. If the player wants to stay, then too bad on anyone else. Isn't that right.

 

[hoogs]

He seems to have abandoned these delusions recently however in an attempt to focus on Joel Corey.

No, I'm just writing you off for thinking that Corey was signed. He wasn't and you were wrong. The fact that you were wrong about one of your own players for an issue that is so big is laughable. I can't converse with people of such poor talent. It's depressing to waste my time with you.

 

[takeabowtredders]

No, I'm just writing you off for thinking that Corey was signed. He wasn't and you were wrong. The fact that you were wrong about one of your own players for an issue that is so big is laughable. I can't converse with people of such poor talent. It's depressing to waste my time with you.

One of the reasons that Lunchlady Doris thought that was because Billy Brownless announced last week that we had 3 players left to sign with Chapman and Harley amongst them but he didn't mention the third. Because we knew that the third was Selwood, some failed to realise that there was a fourth. I can only speculate but there's a good chance that caused some confusion.

Great post.

That is exactly what I was saying to you.

I couldn't really care less about the lengths of droughts...yada, yada, yada.

All I was pointing out is that, if you are going to make a true analysis, and comparison, it has to begin from the same point.

Glad that we agree

Tell your buddy hoogs that then, he doesn't seem to get it.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

No, I'm just writing you off for thinking that Corey was signed. He wasn't and you were wrong. The fact that you were wrong about one of your own players for an issue that is so big is laughable. I can't converse with people of such poor talent. It's depressing to waste my time with you.

Give it a rest cretin, you're a typical hack troll who backs down until they find one pathetic issue they can cling onto. You've abandoned every pathetic comment you have made in this thread.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Why, who suggested that I would ever go back? No one. You're a moron. Carry on...

calm down mate i am just trying to help you improve your life.Footy is third most important thing in peoples life.It's no good to support the dud of the afl

 

[IzzaConda]

I agree with that

Yeh, but I'm the first peson to recognise that. I have no affection for the place at all.

Geelong is just different though. The people who live there are under the misapprehension that they are normal.

It is honestly one place that blows 'the grass is always greener' theory out of the water.

 

[hoogs]

One of the reasons that Lunchlady Doris thought that was because Billy Brownless announced last week that we had 3 players left to sign with Chapman and Harley amongst them but he didn't mention the third. Because we knew that the third was Selwood, some failed to realise that there was a fourth. I can only speculate but there's a good chance that caused some confusion.

Oh sorry, jeez. What was I thinking. Billy Brownless said it. So sorry.
Actually though, if you followed throughout the thread, you'd see that a couple of pages ago Lunchlady Doris said that he read it on a BF thread which didn't have a source and was never confirmed. Don't blame me for your inability to find a reliable source before shooting off your mouth. Lol @ Billy Brownless being a source of the confusion.

 

[Les Norton]

Its a no brainer that Harvey deserves it more, but Ottens actually has one. Its mirrors life really, sometimes its a real bitch and not very fair. But that is "life".....

Ottens, why coz he's got one.
Winners are grinners, losers can go ____ themselves.
You barrack for StKilda, so you'd understand the term loser, more than anyone

 

[hoogs]

Give it a rest cretin, you're a typical hack troll who backs down until they find one pathetic issue they can cling onto. You've abandoned every pathetic comment you have made in this thread.

No I haven't. I just can't take you seriously. How can you expect to me to listen to your criticism of another club, when you don't know jack shit about your own. If you actually had some facts or information to deliver I might reconsider, but you are just ranting and raving rhetoric. You know my opinions, so not much else to be said with you. BTW, I don't care if you don't like purple and hate our club song, before you start.

 

[hoogs]

calm down mate i am just trying to help you improve your life.Footy is third most important thing in peoples life.It's no good to support the dud of the afl

So that's what your discussion comes down to? A joke? A lame joke at that...no intelligence...it shows.

 

[OzBomber]

Harvey deserves a medal more.

 

[Les Norton]

Harvey deserves a medal more.

Why?
A premiership medal is not a priviledge, and it's not something you give out to great players, coz they played a lot of games.
It's tough t***ies, play for a crap side, and you get squat

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So that's what your discussion comes down to? A joke? A lame joke at that...no intelligence...it shows.

thats what you support mate one big joke of a football club that has made 2 finals series in 14 years.