Rolling All Australian Team 2020

[Happy Mastenator]

He is loved by Eagles fans as a favourite because a lot of what he does looks aesthetically brilliant for the highlight real, and fan favourites then get rated higher by their fans than the vanilla players. Its the same concept with many of the highlight players in the league, Eddie Betts, Dusty Martin, Jeremy Howe. At times what they do no one else can do, and it gets rated higher because of how much it makes you go wow. NicNat benefits from this, but so do other players.

or conversely we notice how he much he contributes to us winning? And we perceive he is unfairly maligned?

But sure tell us what we really think.

 

[juss]

or conversely we notice how he much he contributes to us winning? And we perceive he is unfairly maligned?

But sure tell us what we really think.

You need to read the whole post for the context of that first sentence, otherwise quoting it is meaningless. It goes for all players who fill the highlight reels and contributes to their popularity.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I agree that NikNat is the starting ruck in the AA at this stage. But fu** me West Coast supporters are funny

Nik Nat going sh*t in the AFLCA award - That award isn't a true reflection of performance because of blah blah blah

Nik Nat leads all rucks in AFLCA award- Coaches vote for the award bro, most prestige individual award bro. Proof NikNat is better bro.........

coaches votes are but one metric

and no they don’t tell the full story

case in point - 30 points will be given out in Adelaide/north match and also a Geelong/port game

id suggest tom Hawkins game on the weekend was 20 points - but it’s not reflected

 

[bzparkes]

The Crows beat the Tigers last year too. Should we give them the flag?

I'm not buying into the ruck argument. I think NN is a beast, (although not so much when matched up on TDK) but this argument is silly. All Australian is about a player's body of work over a season, not results when matched up head to head with other contenders.

It's got little to do with team vs team and everything to do with 1v1.

The fact NN relegated Grundy to the goal square for nearly 2 quarters of footy would say he's significantly better than him this season.

That and the fact he's polled the most coaches' votes of any ruckman this season.

 

[Grrr]

I think he's a really talented player and has clearly stepped up since returning. But I don't think we can second guess him being dropped. He didn't appear in the coaches votes in the first 4 weeks and then was dropped. You can't just assume there was "more to it than playing poorly" when you're talking about whether he's picked in the best 40 players in the game for the year. He's a super talent, playing really well and if he has a really good end to the year he might push up towards the squad. But we're talking the elite and getting dropped makes it very difficult to justify picking him.

I have mentioned that he is not even close but there were a whole lot of players performing worse than him at the time he was dropped. Not saying he was dropped just to play mid in the 2's, more find a bit of ball and get some midfield time. Not one poster on the Richmond board advocating dropping Bolton at the time.

 

[#gosaintas]

NN is the best ruckman this year by a mile. Just need to look at the impact he has on his sides fortunes compared to Gawn and Grundy. NN makes them look vanilla in more ways than one.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

He's had an outstanding year, he's always underrated a bit. There are a lot of defenders this year. Be good for him to still make the squad.

He was the difference in the game against us (Hawthorn) this year. Had Rampe decided to sit out the rest (or even a portion) of the game when he broke his hand, Hawthorn would have won. As it was, he played on and thwarted nearly all of Hawthorn's attacks and was clearly BOG for mine.

 

[Tap Tap Tapperoo]

Gawn has had an ok year with 3 massive games in a row in the middle, and now out injured for what will likely be at least 3 games.

I would go NN in the side and no extra ruck this year, as that was a bit of an outlier when Gawn and Grundy were both having massive years.

I think we can put the ruck debate to bed.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

He's had an outstanding year, he's always underrated a bit. There are a lot of defenders this year. Be good for him to still make the squad.

Won’t make the squad. He’s going to miss too many games given the shortened season.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Won’t make the squad. He’s going to miss too many games given the shortened season.

Probably. Didn’t have him in my side anyway.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

FB: Sheppard Andrews Ryan
HB: Saad Moore Haynes
C: McCluggage Neale Menegola
HF: Petracca Kennedy Martin
FF: Papley Hawkins Cameron

F: Natanui Boak Macrae

Bench: Gaff Steele Guthrie Jonas

Adelaide: 0
Brisbane: 4
Collingwood: 1
Essendon: 1
Fremantle: 1
Geelong: 3
GC: 0
GWS: 1
Hawthorn: 0
Melbourne: 1
North: 0
Port: 3
Richmond: 1
St Kilda: 1
Sydney: 1
WC: 3
WB: 1

 

[CarnTheSAINTERS]

FB: Sheppard Andrews Ryan
HB: Saad Moore Haynes
C: McCluggage Neale Menegola
HF: Petracca Kennedy Martin
FF: Papley Hawkins Cameron

F: Natanui Boak Macrae

Bench: Gaff Steele Guthrie Jonas

Adelaide: 0
Brisbane: 4
Collingwood: 1
Essendon: 1
Fremantle: 1
Geelong: 3
GC: 0
GWS: 1
Hawthorn: 0
Melbourne: 1
North: 0
Port: 3
Richmond: 1
St Kilda: 1
Sydney: 1
WC: 3
WB: 1

I reckon Charlie Cameron needs a big game to put him in the 22

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I reckon Charlie Cameron needs a big game to put him in the 22

Yeah, that final forward spot was the hardest to do. It could be Butler but I have in my dream team and have watched him a lot, he does get quite a few cheap goals. Last 6 rounds will have a big say on who takes it

 

[eth-dog]

Right now, if there are only 2 small forwards, they're Papley and Butler IMO. If there are 3 Cameron gets in. Of course it depends on how many key forwards there are. Right now the forward line is probably:

Papley - Hawkins - Dangerfield/Martin/Petracca
Butler - Kennedy - Dixon/Taberner/Cameron

 

[KissKiss]

I reckon Charlie Cameron needs a big game to put him in the 22

I think he and McCluggage have dropped off a fair bit and are only in on name (not performance) right now. Without a couple of big games in the last few rounds I dont think either would be in my AA team

 

[TheKITC]

Can't believe people are still trying to shoe-horn in discussion about Shai Bolton for AA.

Sure, he's played some good games, but he was dropped from Richmond's own 22 and is inconsistent. He is absolutely no where near the squad... end of story.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Darcy Moore has been pretty solidly shit for the last four weeks. Pies taken apart by JK and Tabener out West, did nothing against Sydney and Melbourne key forwards kicked goals for which felt like the first time all year on the weekend. Not sure he should be in teams as a result.

 

[Fadge]

Darcy Moore has been pretty solidly sh*t for the last four weeks. Pies taken apart by JK and Tabener out West, did nothing against Sydney and Melbourne key forwards kicked goals for which felt like the first time all year on the weekend. Not sure he should be in teams as a result.

Agree. Darcy Moore only entered the conversation after Howe did his ACL. Prior to that, Howe was our standout backman (closely followed by Maynard).

Maynard the only Magpie defender in the mix for mine, and I'd have him in the squad but not in the 22.

 

[Monkey King]

The fact NN relegated Grundy to the goal square for nearly 2 quarters of footy would say he's significantly better than him this season.

No it doesn't. As I said, not getting into the ruck argument, but this is bad logic.

 

[bzparkes]

No it doesn't. As I said, not getting into the ruck argument, but this is bad logic.

Crushed the 2 pre-season favourites in 1v1s and is leading the coaches votes for all ruckmen, despite playing nearly 30% less game time?

I'd say he's significantly ahead this season.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

He literally just gets easy chip marks in defence. and goes lateral with most of his posessions. Especially with geelongs seagull game plan and chipping it around for half a quarter each week

Totally agree. Brought him into my dreamteam 5 or 6 weeks back with that observation firmly in front of mind. Little +6's all over the backline. Hasn't let me down.

 

[Quigley]

I think he and McCluggage have dropped off a fair bit and are only in on name (not performance) right now. Without a couple of big games in the last few rounds I dont think either would be in my AA team

I agree with that. Both might get a spot based on perception flowing over from last year and how high the Lions are placed but realistically both would be exceptionally lucky to be there.

On the other side of the coin Daniel Rich has been excellent all year and should be getting some talk.

 

[curnow inferno]

FB: L.Ryan - Andrews - Haynes
HB: J.Lloyd - Weitering - Ridley
C: Macrae - Oliver - J.Kelly
HF: Petracca - Hawkins - Dangerfield
FF: C.Cameron - J.Kennedy - Papley
RR: Naitanui - Steele - Neale
INT: Goldstein - Lyons - T.Adams - Merrett

Round 11 changes:
In: Goldstein, J.Kelly, Merrett, L.Ryan, Dangerfield
Out: Gawn, Gaff, Boak, Maynard, Walters

 

[eth-dog]

FB: L.Ryan - Andrews - Haynes
HB: J.Lloyd - Weitering - Ridley
C: Macrae - Oliver - J.Kelly
HF: Petracca - Hawkins - Dangerfield
FF: C.Cameron - J.Kennedy - Papley
RR: Naitanui - Steele - Neale
INT: Goldstein - Lyons - T.Adams - Merrett

Round 11 changes:
In: Goldstein, J.Kelly, Merrett, L.Ryan, Dangerfield
Out: Gawn, Gaff, Boak, Maynard, Walters

Honestly Merrett should be miles off. McGrath, Saad and Ridley all more deserving this year from us.

 

[curnow inferno]

Honestly Merrett should be miles off. McGrath, Saad and Ridley all more deserving this year from us.

you realise it's for a wing spot right? so mcgrath and saad are irrelevant and ridley is already in the team....