Analysis Rolling All-Australian team for 2021

[00Stinger]

The squad of 40 maybe - surely not the final side before the end of the H&A season

Squad is normally Monday after the last game

Final team on the Thursday

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[Shaucob_Burjan]

What's the reason why a majority is leaving Wines on the bench or off the team?

4th in AFLCA, tied 1st for ESPN's Brownlow projections, 2nd favourite for Brownlow, 3rd in possessions.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the first mids picked?

 

[Iceman!]

What's the reason why a majority is leaving Wines on the bench or off the team?

4th in AFLCA, tied 1st for ESPN's Brownlow projections, 2nd favourite for Brownlow, 3rd in possessions.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the first mids picked?

It is a stacked year for mids, even more so than usual.

Bont, Oliver, Trac, Wines, Parish, Merrett, Macrae, Touk, Walsh, Steele are all deserving of a spot plus any others that i forgot to mention.

Some mids having very good years that aren't even in the conversation because it bats so deep.

 

[00Stinger]

What's the reason why a majority is leaving Wines on the bench or off the team?

4th in AFLCA, tied 1st for ESPN's Brownlow projections, 2nd favourite for Brownlow, 3rd in possessions.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the first mids picked?

Yeah picked after the 3 ahead of him in the coaches votes Oliver, Bont & Miller

Cant/doesn't play forward or on a wing so he gets named on the bench

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[Dewyyyyy]

What's the reason why a majority is leaving Wines on the bench or off the team?

4th in AFLCA, tied 1st for ESPN's Brownlow projections, 2nd favourite for Brownlow, 3rd in possessions.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the first mids picked?

I honestly don't have him that high in the brownlow predictions or in general.

 

[Fyfster]

So what? Neither Freo nor WC are even in the top 8 as it stands. I also don't have anyone from North, Adelaide, Carlton, Richmond, Hawthorn, Sydney or Collingwood, you gonna argue for their inclusion too?
It's just my opinion, not the final team. RELAX...
Of course, I watch more games from my team than any other, so of course my views are going to be skewed towards them. But all of those guys have contributed significantly to us fighting for a top 2 spot this weekend. I don't think it's unrealistic they all at least make the squad.

Wasn't sure a top 8 finish was a prerequisite , Nat Fyfe was named Captain in a year we did not make the finals.

 

[Fyfster]

What's the reason why a majority is leaving Wines on the bench or off the team?

4th in AFLCA, tied 1st for ESPN's Brownlow projections, 2nd favourite for Brownlow, 3rd in possessions.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the first mids picked?

A lot of Mids have had great years going to be hard to pick the Brownlow this year , Wines is in my team though had a great year.Impacts games as well not just dinky little Handpasses and 15 MTR kicks like Mitchell.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

B: Lever May Rich
HB: Ridley Moore Hurn
C: Macrae Boak Walsh
HF: Martin Walker Heeney
F: Fantasia Bruce McKay
OB: Gawn Oliver Bontompelli
I/C: Gulden Jiath Mills Kelly (Tim)

Interesting start to the year. I don't feel like any of the big guns have come out firing in the first few rounds other then maybe Dusty. Expect to see a fair few changes to this team over the next few weeks.

This team is the first team posted on Monday 5 April (after round 3). Will be reasonably reflective of most teams at that stage.

Interesting to see some of the names included. The whole half back / half forward and I/C lines are gone. Two of the full forward line is gone as well.

 

[andrewb]

It is a stacked year for mids, even more so than usual.

Bont, Oliver, Trac, Wines, Parish, Merrett, Macrae, Touk, Walsh, Steele are all deserving of a spot plus any others that i forgot to mention.

Some mids having very good years that aren't even in the conversation because it bats so deep.

There's going to be 11-12 midfielders in the team I'd wager

Midfield and I/C will be something like:

C: Walsh Parish Macrae
R: Gawn Bont Oliver
IC: Wines Merrett Steele Miller

They'll chuck Petracca on a forward flank, maybe Stringer, and they might even chuck Laird on a back flank.

Mids have been by far the standouts in the comp

 

[KissKiss]

There's going to be 11-12 midfielders in the team I'd wager

Midfield and I/C will be something like:

C: Walsh Parish Macrae
R: Gawn Bont Oliver
IC: Wines Merrett Steele Miller

They'll chuck Petracca on a forward flank, maybe Stringer, and they might even chuck Laird on a back flank.

Mids have been by far the standouts in the comp

I hate that I agree this will likely happen. Not that I dont think mids have been dominant but I just wish they picked proper wingers and flankers

 

[Ambrosia]

There's going to be 11-12 midfielders in the team I'd wager

Midfield and I/C will be something like:

C: Walsh Parish Macrae
R: Gawn Bont Oliver
IC: Wines Merrett Steele Miller

They'll chuck Petracca on a forward flank, maybe Stringer, and they might even chuck Laird on a back flank.

Mids have been by far the standouts in the comp

I expect one of Parish or Merrett will miss for Nic Nat. Can’t see them picking 2 mids from a team that finishes 8th/9th.

Big Stringer should really be in strong consideration though for the final side.

Hind is also massively slept on in this thread. Last time I saw the stat published he was statistically the second best kick going inside 50 in the comp in terms of retaining possession.

Not likely to be a fantastic measure but we don’t really have access to better stats for it but Hind averages 0.6 Goal Assists from 3.2 i50s. Comparatively Rich averages 0.1 GAs from 2.7. Hind also averages more score involvements per game then both Salem and Rich from less disposals. I’m not saying he should be in the side as being a part of a successful team matters and Essendon may not even win half their games this year but he should be a lock for the squad.

 

[Established1870]

Karl Amon

10

Karl Amon

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

294.5

4star

D

21.0

5star

K

15.0

5star

HB

6.0

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

146.8

3star

should at least be in the 40 man squad. Has been unreal this year and he'd fully deserve it.

 

[Blackhawk42]

If Greene and Fritsch aren't starting forwards I'll be pretty amazed.

Also fully expect Petracca to be plonked on a forward flank.

 

[ImissFrosty]

If Greene and Fritsch aren't starting forwards I'll be pretty amazed.

Also fully expect Petracca to be plonked on a forward flank.

they can get away with Petracca though, he does play a lot of time forward.

 

[Trav 20]

they can get away with Petracca though, he does play a lot of time forward.

A lot ?

In recent weeks it increased to 30%, but for the bulk of the season it's been 15%. Is that ''a lot'' ?

 

[ImissFrosty]

A lot ?

In recent weeks it increased to 30%, but for the bulk of the season it's been 15%. Is that ''a lot'' ?

not really but he is a goal kicking mid and seriously don't think many people would complain at him being listed at hff

 

[Guardian Hawk]

A lot of Mids have had great years going to be hard to pick the Brownlow this year , Wines is in my team though had a great year.Impacts games as well not just dinky little Handpasses and 15 MTR kicks like Mitchell.

I get so sick of this incorrect rhetoric. Gary Ablett Jnr did "dinky little handpasses" (at GC) more than anyone, yet was rightfully still considered the best player in the competition.

Mitchell, at times, passes sideways because Hawthorn has been getting destroyed when kicking long down the line (with a lack of established key forwards), which is immediately picked off with goals resulting from the turnover.

Even if you remove those "sideways handballs" (which is stupid as it is a legitimate form of attack in modern game structures), he is still getting more of the ball than pretty much every player in the comp.

I mean, he has had more metres gained than Jack Steele, Rory Laird, Sam Walsh, etc (maybe they should be your example for next time?).

Mitchell is still hugely impactful, has been best on in nearly all of Hawthorn's wins, has more of the ball (and effective ball) than any player in the comp and is a top 10 player this season in nearly all of the Brownlow predictors and voting systems despite his team being awful for much of the year.

 

[The Blue Baggers]

Dale Weitering Stewart
Lever May Rich

Gawn Bont ; Walsh
McCluggage Oliver Steele

Stringer Hawkins Petracca
Greene McKay Zorko

Miller Merrett Wines NicNat

 

[eth-dog]

Dale Weitering Stewart
Lever May Rich

Gawn Bont ; Walsh
McCluggage Oliver Steele

Stringer Hawkins Petracca
Greene McKay Zorko

Miller Merrett Wines NicNat

Only 3 Carlton players? You're losing your touch

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Yeah picked after the 3 ahead of him in the coaches votes Oliver, Bont & Miller

Cant/doesn't play forward or on a wing so he gets named on the bench

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Robbie Gray literally won the award in 2014 and they plucked him at half forward in the AA side despite him playing mostly on ball.

 

[00Stinger]

Robbie Gray literally won the award in 2014 and they plucked him at half forward in the AA side despite him playing mostly on ball.

Yeah they will do similar with Bont and/or Petracca

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[300Weatherby]

I get so sick of this incorrect rhetoric. Gary Ablett Jnr did "dinky little handpasses" (at GC) more than anyone, yet was rightfully still considered the best player in the competition.

Mitchell, at times, passes sideways because Hawthorn has been getting destroyed when kicking long down the line (with a lack of established key forwards), which is immediately picked off with goals resulting from the turnover.

Even if you remove those "sideways handballs" (which is stupid as it is a legitimate form of attack in modern game structures), he is still getting more of the ball than pretty much every player in the comp.

I mean, he has had more metres gained than Jack Steele, Rory Laird, Sam Walsh, etc (maybe they should be your example for next time?).

Mitchell is still hugely impactful, has been best on in nearly all of Hawthorn's wins, has more of the ball (and effective ball) than any player in the comp and is a top 10 player this season in nearly all of the Brownlow predictors and voting systems despite his team being awful for much of the year.

Nah, not top 10, I'd have him top 20, maybe 15 but outside the top 10

 

[JimmyMann]

From a neutral supporter standpoint, I'm going to be pissed if I see Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

misses out on a spot in the team to big name mids averaging 0.5 goals who were simply not good enough in their position i.e. 2020 with Bont, Danger and Dusty over Butler, Papley, Cameron. The guy has the most goals for both a small/medium forward and on the best team all year. If Greene and Stringer take his spot that's completely fine, sure even Petracca and Bontempelli (this year) could qualify, but I swear if we get any more guys with less than a goal per game playing forward I'll lose it. Forwards like Fritsch deserve the chance to get in.

From a St Kilda standpoint, if Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

doesn't at a minimum make your AA bench after the season he's had, you just don't value players who week-in-week-out do everything and anything (offense and defense) that their team requires. 1st in tackles by an absolute mile (and a chance to break the all time season record this week) and also top 10 in: total/centre/stoppage clearances, contested possessions, disposals, handballs, (11th in inside 50s) and pressure acts.

Steele averages 29 disposals (14 contested), 6 clearances, 5 inside 50s, 8 tackles and 0.6 goals. Despite that, Steele is only 35th for total turnovers, while Bontempelli, Petracca and Wines are all top 5 (not a knock on them, they should be starting All Australians obviously - just a comparison of how little he does wrong), he not only does all the grunt work but he rarely makes any mistakes. Stats can be misleading sure but anyone who has watched St Kilda this year knows he has single-handedly dragged his team to even being in the race for 8th late in the season and been unbelievably consistent (against West Coast a few weeks back was probably his worst and he still laid 13 tackles). If he doesn't make it this year, I'm resigned that we'll never get someone in the team outside the top 8.

 

[Fyfster]

I get so sick of this incorrect rhetoric. Gary Ablett Jnr did "dinky little handpasses" (at GC) more than anyone, yet was rightfully still considered the best player in the competition.

Mitchell, at times, passes sideways because Hawthorn has been getting destroyed when kicking long down the line (with a lack of established key forwards), which is immediately picked off with goals resulting from the turnover.

Even if you remove those "sideways handballs" (which is stupid as it is a legitimate form of attack in modern game structures), he is still getting more of the ball than pretty much every player in the comp.

I mean, he has had more metres gained than Jack Steele, Rory Laird, Sam Walsh, etc (maybe they should be your example for next time?).

Mitchell is still hugely impactful, has been best on in nearly all of Hawthorn's wins, has more of the ball (and effective ball) than any player in the comp and is a top 10 player this season in nearly all of the Brownlow predictors and voting systems despite his team being awful for much of the year.

I will admit I have not seen much of hawthorn in the second half of the year , I noticed he is tackling a lot more lately as well , So should have probably used Gaff as my example .

 

[Yoda_]

If Greene and Fritsch aren't starting forwards I'll be pretty amazed.

Also fully expect Petracca to be plonked on a forward flank.

16 games for Greene is probably counting against him. Still, 41 goals from a small/medium forward is outstanding.

Fully hope, expect Fritsch gets named.