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Rookie Draft- 5 Years Without Success
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Clubs are getting more thorough with their recruiting and their analysis of talent around the nation. Their networks are getting wider and more comprehensive. I know 4 blokes who are with one AFL club or another watching SANFL games. It is simply disgraceful that All-Australians like Cox and Rutten can slip through the net. Club boards would have had every right to ask some serious questions about their football department and why these sorts of players weren't being identified. Surely clubs are improving their methods and the likelihood of unearthing a rough gem in the rookie draft is - not non existent - but at least decreasing.
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IMO, we don't have an issue with our success in the Rookie draft as we have unearthed half a dozen very good players in the past 5 or 6 years. Also, the RD is mainly for drafting bottom aged players who are yet to finish growing and yet to mature so I guess its kind of a lottery.
It sounds like Drummond is trying to take the spotlight away from the chumps we have wasted 1st round picks on (ie Pfeiffer and Meesen) as they are the ones we should have expected more from...
It sounds like Drummond is trying to take the spotlight away from the chumps we have wasted 1st round picks on (ie Pfeiffer and Meesen) as they are the ones we should have expected more from...
Yep I agree, both should be at least retained on rookie list, be interesting to see what eventuates
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I agree with you, after it has been identified that a player is only a battler we still seem to persist to the point now where we have far too many of them on our list.
Port seem far better at identifying talent and if they draft duds they get rid of them pretty quickly and are far more ruthless with their list management than we are.
Agree with you also that we need to cut some 26-30 year old players off our list ie Doughty, Perrie etc
Thurstans has always been a pet project of Williams, thats only one player though. Usually they are ruthless with their list management and its something we need to learn from IMO and not try and look for loose parallels to try and justify it.
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Thats the bigger problem. Our luck with our first round picks has been terrible, BUT the club must shoulder some of that blame because IMO we have the slowest development cycle in the AFL.
Sydney fans might debate that. However, we'd definitely be one of the two worst sides in terms of how long it takes us to debut our younger players.
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i think that its largely part of the dilemma when a club is so close to a premiership as both Sydney & Adelaide have been for many years
if you go back thru the Port board their supporters also had the same complaint of lack of youngsters being developed and it wasnt until last year that Port did something about it in a big way - they cleaned out virtually all the 26+ age group average players and drafted young in a good draft year and also "tanked" from middle of last season giving young ones game time
nevertheless i still think that we dont appear to actively develop and play youngsters early enough
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If Pfeiffer doesn't step up next year alarm bells will be ringing.
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The best draft out of those was in 2003.
Joel Patfull has become one of the afl's most versitile players and Scott Borlace one of the SANFL greatest ball getters and players. I have no idea how Scott did not end up playing an AFL game. Pretty Bad work by his managment i think.
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Agree ....a mid size player you would expect to get up and running 1st or second season ......a third season without some serious progress would spell genuine concern over his future.
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If the coaching staff didn't refuse to play him he would've made his debut by now. If he was on any other list in the league he would've played.
Cry me a ****ing river. Honestly, do you actually realise how ass licking that sounds. Ph poor Darren, the coaches have it in for him
Maybe its time that YOU and YOUR lover boy Darren realised its time to pull the finger out anf grow the **** up and stop blaming everyone and anyone for his failures but himself. I am sick and tired of these sooks that do not take responsibilities for their actions and consequences that arise from those actions. So intead of whinging how you lover boy is being hard done by, how about asking a question why because its sure as hell is not about ANYONE else by Darren himself.
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Ah Stiffy, acting all high and mighty once again.Cry me a ****ing river. Honestly, do you actually realise how ass licking that sounds. Ph poor Darren, the coaches have it in for him
Maybe its time that YOU and YOUR lover boy Darren realised its time to pull the finger out anf grow the **** up and stop blaming everyone and anyone for his failures but himself. I am sick and tired of these sooks that do not take responsibilities for their actions and consequences that arise from those actions. So intead of whinging how you lover boy is being hard done by, how about asking a question why because its sure as hell is not about ANYONE else by Darren himself.
Pfeiffer's a quality player and if he was at any other AFL club he would’ve played. He would’ve made his debut in Round 6 had we not been so conservative. Not sure you could possibly dispute that. And once again in Round 7 there was a vacancy yet we instead turned to Jericho. There’s been ample opportunities for him to play, and yet for one reason or another they haven’t. Not good enough AFC.
See this is where you **** up real bad. Jericho gets selected because he does more than Pfeiffer. Like it not its a fact. The more this saga carries on the more obvious it becomes that Pfeiffer is fast becoming a Chris Ladhams clone. Talent to burn but a lot of draught up stairs preventing it from being fully utilizedAh Stiffy, acting all high and mighty once again.
Pfeiffer's a quality player and if he was at any other AFL club he would’ve played. He would’ve made his debut in Round 6 had we not been so conservative. Not sure you could possibly dispute that. And once again in Round 7 there was a vacancy yet we instead turned to Jericho. There’s been ample opportunities for him to play, and yet for one reason or another they haven’t. Not good enough AFC.
Its time Darren grew up and then he would get the opportunity. There is far more to being an AFL footballer than just talent. If anyone should know that, you would expect the Crows supporter to be well aware of it
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See, I personally would've thought one of these was a necessity...See this is where you **** up real bad. Jericho gets selected because he does more than Pfeiffer. Like it not its a fact. The more this saga carries on the more obvious it becomes that Pfeiffer is fast becoming a Chris Ladhams clone. Talent to burn but a lot of draught up stairs preventing it from being fully utilized
Its time Darren grew up and then he would get the opportunity. There is far more to being an AFL footballer than just talent. If anyone should know that, you would expect the Crows supporter to be well aware of it
But obviously not. Not sure how someone without a heart does more than Pfeiffer.
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Both the heart and brain are important.
Pulling his finger out on a training track is a start. Can't say there has been much positive publicity about Darren's commitment and work ethic.See, I personally would've thought one of these was a necessity...
But obviously not. Not sure how someone without a heart does more than Pfeiffer.
I do find it hypocritical that in one thread you question Sellar's prospects and his attitude to date but you come here sticking up for arguably the biggest offender on the list.
Fact is if Pfeiffer was playing for anyone else other than Norwood you would be the first one with the boots in. Doesn't do much for your credibility
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Winning the trust back from the club and blitzing all your previous PB’s sounds reasonably positive to me Stiffy.Pulling his finger out on a training track is a start. Can't say there has been much positive publicity about Darren's commitment and work ethic.
I do find it hypocritical that in one thread you question Sellar's prospects and his attitude to date but you come here sticking up for arguably the biggest offender on the list.
Fact is if Pfeiffer was playing for anyone else other than Norwood you would be the first one with the boots in. Doesn't do much for your credibility
But the thing is, why are we putting so much faith in training? I know it’s important but everyone knows Jericho’s biggest weakness is his softness and inability to put his body on the line. We might do a few competitive drills and training but you’re not really going to find out whether he's suddenly become a man, you have to see the way he goes about it under match conditions. Has he done this? Heck no!
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Drummond ...you have no chance of winning this argument.
Seems there is stoney silence as far as poster support for your argument .......how does it feel on a desert island
Seems there is stoney silence as far as poster support for your argument .......how does it feel on a desert island
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This is North's rookies from 2003. Not too bad given we have no money.
2003:
Michael Firrito 82 games (in best 22)
Jeremy Clayton (delisted, with Port I think)
Clinton Alleway (non on list)
Nick Gill (dud
)2004:
Josh Gibson 23 (in best 22)
Josh Thewlis (de-listed)
Scott McMahon 16 (in best 22, rising star nomination this year)
Justin Perkins (de-listed)
2005:
Ed Lower 13 (not in best 22 but very promising)
Djaren Whyman 3 (i think we de-listed him this year, not a bad player but we recruited 4 similar player over the last two years, one or two had to go.)
2006:
Leigh Adams 2 (was elevated for injured player, promising)
Ben Hughes (de-listed i think)
Matt Campbell 13 (was elevated for an injured player, very promising)
Tim Hutchison (taken down from senior list due to long-term injury, i think he got the arse at the end of the season).
