List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[apuchar]

There is, it gives us time to explore more options, sound out more people and not be rushed into a quick decision. As said above, the best thing for us now is spend a big part of the next 12 months scouting for the best person for the job. Lyon will be trying to force our hand as an early decision one way or another to extend or sack suits him better.

There are plenty of options and we have had a fair while to see that possibly not much has changed and that change may be needed. There are plenty of options for him at the present time, as well, so if we aren't happy with our progress, we should encourage him to explore them.

 

[PurpleEyes]

The thing is, we are all speculating based on what the media is saying, and the longer this goes on, the more the media will fabricate. Is any of it really relevant to what will happen? Probably not - if it is, it's will essentially be a case of the broken clock being right twice a day.

We have no idea what has been said behind closed doors, so for all we know the board is driving this bus in exactly the direction they want to. There is absolutely no reason for them to be dictated to by Ross, he is contracted until the end of next year, and he says (as does the club) that he will work that contract out. After that, the results will determine if he gets another contract or not, but it will definitely be decided by the board, not by Ross.

Personally I don't really care if he does extend after next year, but I think he has earned the right to finish out his contract. If we can get everyone on the park for next year then I don't think it's a stretch to imagine we will be playing finals.

Those who want Lyon gone are feeling justified in their beliefs because of the current media storm (NB: WA media) against Lyon. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy whereby the media propaganda pushes the agenda to get rid of him, more supporters are influenced by the negative media and then the media uses that as another reason for Lyon to go. Now they paint Lyon's typical responses to their questions negatively and so the circle continues to spin.

And so now when Lyon is still coaching, some then accuse the board of being negligent for not making the tough decisions.
The problem is, they don't actually consider what is a real possibility that the players and board may think Lyon is doing a reasonable job ... all things considered.

So Lyon has a contract until the end of 2020.
Those that want Lyon gone are anxious for it to happen now, because they are afraid that given one more year, he might take Freo further forward and in to finals. Then the Sack Lyon Brigade noise will no longer carry the same volume.

Just look at the media (and the Sack Lyon Brigade mob) this week.
If Freo had have lost by 1 point, the narrative would have all been about struggling Fremantle, 5 losses in a row, the pressure is on Lyon, he's got to go. But because Freo won by 1 point, the narrative is all about whether Lyon will be coaching Freo in the future.
They are obviously agenda driven (WA) narratives all with the desire to get rid of Lyon as the coach of Fremantle.

 

[GingerDocker]

Those who want Lyon gone are feeling justified in their beliefs because of the current media storm (NB: WA media) against Lyon. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy whereby the media propaganda pushes the agenda to get rid of him, more supporters are influenced by the negative media and then the media uses that as another reason for Lyon to go. Now they paint Lyon's typical responses to their questions negatively and so the circle continues to spin.

And so now when Lyon is still coaching, some then accuse the board of being negligent for not making the tough decisions.
The problem is, they don't actually consider what is a real possibility that the players and board may think Lyon is doing a reasonable job ... all things considered.

So Lyon has a contract until the end of 2020.
Those that want Lyon gone are anxious for it to happen now, because they are afraid that given one more year, he might take Freo further forward and in to finals. Then the Sack Lyon Brigade noise will no longer carry the same volume.

Just look at the media (and the Sack Lyon Brigade mob) this week.
If Freo had have lost by 1 point, the narrative would have all been about struggling Fremantle, 5 losses in a row, the pressure is on Lyon, he's got to go. But because Freo won by 1 point, the narrative is all about whether Lyon will be coaching Freo in the future.
They are obviously agenda driven (WA) narratives all with the desire to get rid of Lyon as the coach of Fremantle.

Opinions based on what the media dishes up to them aren’t opinions, they’re regurgitations, and are highly transparent

 

[poshman]

Would you guys want this?

CEO: Peter Bell
GM: Ross Lyon
Coach: Justin Longmuir

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Hell no! Peter Bell as CEO would be promoting him vastly beyond his skills or experience. In 5-7 years... possibly. What has he done in his career that suggest he could successfully run a 50mil a year corporation with the unique media spotlight the AFL brings?

Degree
Played footy was a captain
Did radio

Anything I have missed?

 

[Bicco]

Ross has always been very good at delivering a steady line to the media and not getting emotive. He gives them nothing. 'He will neither confirm nor deny' is media speak for WHNFI.

 

[apuchar]

Opinions based on what the media dishes up to them aren’t opinions, they’re regurgitations, and are highly transparent

So anyone who wants Ross gone have made that decision purely based on what the media says. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Mr Peabody]

From a little earlier tonight...

Fremantle coach Ross Lyon speaks with Gerard, Dwayne and Richo - July 24 - Sportsday - Omny.fm

omny.fm

 

[Taylor]

There is also a possibility that Ross Lyon does extremely well for us next year and then because we haven't initiated negotiations he begins to explore options.

Then we could play finals and lose our coach because we got spooked out of the reality of a rebuild.

 

[Taylor]

So anyone who wants Ross gone have made that decision purely based on what the media says. Is that what you are saying?

Human psychology is heavily impacted by peer pressure. Heavily.

It's why songs sound better when the whole band sings the hook during the chorus.

 

[Caldera]

I might have the wrong end of the stick, but this speculation of Ross heading to Vic originated from the Melbourne media, and the sheeplike WA media have joined the chorus. For me it almost parallels the Longmire/Sydney standoff from a few weeks back.... Longmire played a less than straight bat about interest from North, and was duly rewarded with a contract extension by the swans.

Freo collectively have played a straight bat, but this week the noise out of the media has increased and today’s presser from Ross was less than a straight bat. Unless he has been misquoted, it’s hard to wonder what he his saying by suggesting that coaching, staying in Freo etc are all hypotheticals.

This noise wouldn’t exist if there were not 3 jobs available in Vic right now. Ross has >12mths left on his deal, but uncertainty beyond that. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the smoke coming out of Vic and pushing into WA is coming from Lyon’s connections in an attempt to get Freo to play their hand early.

 

[apuchar]

There is also a possibility that Ross Lyon does extremely well for us next year and then because we haven't initiated negotiations he begins to explore options.

Then we could play finals and lose our coach because we got spooked out of the reality of a rebuild.

That's pretty much what he has threatened. Very manipulative of him, as usual

 

[Taylor]

That's pretty much what he has threatened. Very manipulative of him, as usual

That's his prerogative.

The club and Lyon have to look after their interests and if the club is going to cut Lyon as a public relations exercise then he should be looking at his options too.

It's a risk the club takes by keeping it's options open.

 

[apuchar]

Human psychology is heavily impacted by peer pressure. Heavily.

It's why songs sound better when the whole band sings the hook during the chorus.

Only for the impressionable and I and many other people who support Freo are not that. You could just as easily say that the Ross's supporters and the players have been psychologically impacted by Ross and his supporters manipulations.

 

[Taylor]

Only for the impressionable and I and many other people who support Freo are not that. You could just as easily say that the Ross's supporters and the players have been psychologically impacted by Ross and his supporters manipulations.

It's subconscious. I'll give you an example. Next time the entire room is laughing about something, try and not smile when you ask what the joke was.

Humans are social creatures and community noise becomes validated fact, into mob mentality.

The harder thing to do is to go against the social grain, which right now is out to knife Lyon.

The rest of the people paying attention didn't expect us to get 50 to 100 games into new players in two years.

 

[imperial_oz]

I'm undecided on whether he can take us to a flag but the sheer hilarity of him leaving to go back to St Kilda has me all aboard that hype train. Would be incredible to see play out, I'd be spamming St "defacto" Citcatraz after every game asking him what he thinks

Don't forget to CC Plugger in as well. He still has major Lyon issues

 

[apuchar]

That's his prerogative.

The club and Lyon have to look after their interests and if the club is going to cut Lyon as a public relations exercise then he should be looking at his options too.

It's a risk the club takes by keeping it's options open.

Then he should, not just threaten. We said 2 weeks ago that that was our terms. He said yesterday he is happy to wait now its you may lose me if you do. He said a couple of weeks ago that he wants to stay at Freo long-term and now he's baiting the media saying you are assuming I want to be here.

 

[kingswood71]

That's pretty much what he has threatened. Very manipulative of him, as usual

Link to these threats and manipulations??

 

[Taylor]

Then he should, not just threaten. We said 2 weeks ago that that was our terms. He said yesterday he is happy to wait now its you may lose me if you do. He said a couple of weeks ago that he wants to stay at Freo long-term and now he's baiting the media saying you are assuming I want to be here.

From what he said today I think there is more to point to him moving into our list manager position than senior coach at another club.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Only for the impressionable and I and many other people who support Freo are not that.

Based on the overwhelming evidence at hand on this forum I'd STRONGLY beg to differ.

 

[Paracleet]

Then he should, not just threaten. We said 2 weeks ago that that was our terms. He said yesterday he is happy to wait now its you may lose me if you do. He said a couple of weeks ago that he wants to stay at Freo long-term and now he's baiting the media saying you are assuming I want to be here.

Yeah I think that's a [sic] situation. I think he was intending to say assuming I DON'T want to be here. Otherwise the rest of what he said doesn't make sense.

 

[apuchar]

It's subconscious. I'll give you an example. Next time the entire room is laughing about something, try and not smile when you ask what the joke was.

Humans are social creatures and community noise becomes validated fact, into mob mentality.

The harder thing to do is to go against the social grain, which right now is out to knife Lyon.

The rest of the people paying attention didn't expect us to get 50 to 100 games into new players in two years.

Really, then why isn't it subconscious for me. There are many people who resist herd mentality and make their own decisions. If that wasn't the case all the people on here would simply agree with the dominant view and be too scared to decent. There are just as many people trying to force Freo supporter to stick with Ross including someone I highly respect in Gerard Healy plus Roos and Pav and God knows how many others. How come all the blind, powerless people like me haven't just fallen into line with their pressure.

 

[Randomizor]

It's subconscious. I'll give you an example. Next time the entire room is laughing about something, try and not smile when you ask what the joke was.

Humans are social creatures and community noise becomes validated fact, into mob mentality.

The harder thing to do is to go against the social grain, which right now is out to knife Lyon.

The rest of the people paying attention didn't expect us to get 50 to 100 games into new players in two years.

So anyone against Lyon isn’t paying attention?

Getting 50 - 100 games into new players, sure, but to what end? Is it improving our win record each year? Nope. Do we have depth now? Apparently not since every time we get an injury it’s an excuse for a loss. Are we developing those players in their natural positions? Rarely. Other clubs seem to be able to at least do that.

Try paying attention to what’s actually happening rather than looking for the out.

 

[apuchar]

From what he said today I think there is more to point to him moving into our list manager position than senior coach at another club.

Good

 

[apuchar]

So anyone against Lyon isn’t paying attention?

Getting 50 - 100 games into new players, sure, but to what end? Is it improving our win record each year? Nope. Do we have depth now? Apparently not since every time we get an injury it’s an excuse for a loss. Are we developing those players in their natural positions? Rarely. Other clubs seem to be able to at least do that.

Try paying attention to what’s actually happening rather than looking for the out.

Don't be impressionable

 

[Taylor]

So anyone against Lyon isn’t paying attention?

Getting 50 - 100 games into new players, sure, but to what end? Is it improving our win record each year? Nope. Do we have depth now? Apparently not since every time we get an injury it’s an excuse for a loss. Are we developing those players in their natural positions? Rarely. Other clubs seem to be able to at least do that.

Try paying attention to what’s actually happening rather than looking for the out.

Which new players have we put 50 to 100 games into so far?

People who think playing teenagers in key roles like inside mid at the stoppages doesn't have a material negative impact on results is being deliberately obtuse or genuinely clueless.

Thankfully football caters to all