Nostradamus Lives Ross Lyon Sexual Harassment

[Joao]

It has been reported . Get over it.
If you chose to call a particular media outlet liars , do it and move on.
Don’t expect big footy posters to justify media comment.

You made a claim which appears not to be factual. Got stuck in based on it, called out and still don't want to own up?

 

[DapperJong]

You're comparing a team wide doping scandal to a lewd remark at a xmas function

Whatever it takes

Seems a bit much for just a lewd remark hey?

 

[Slartibartfast]

You made a claim which seems not to be factual. Got stuck in based on it, called out and still don't want to own up?

SEN made a claim.
Don’t twist facts to suit your ends.

 

[Beerfish]

The support for Ross from a number of Freo posters is really quite remarkable.

No wonder Michelle Cowan quit the club with this sort of culture.

Yep. James Hird gets offered a Melbourne based, part time opposition analysis role and they completely lose their shit but story emerges that their current coach is a disgusting misogynistic slimeball and it's all good.

 

[Ragtooth]

Apparently this has been driven by the east coast media. The West Coast media must be still in shock from Nic Nat.

The question is should he step down really over this? I say no

Should he step down because Freo need a new coach, maybe

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Can't access the first one.

Second one, the only quote from Gil in there is

"trust the process" under the league's upgraded respect and responsibility policy, which is a "complainant-centric model".

He never says it is workcover, the journalist does. Just like everything else I have read.

The AFL insists it was not a party to the financial settlement reached with the woman at the centre of the Ross Lyon harassment claim, with the money instead being paid as a result of a Workcover claim.

Fairfax Media this week revealed coach Ross Lyon had been the Fremantle official who had been accused of making an inappropriate comment to former junior club staffer several years ago at a Christmas function.

Fairfax Media understands the woman said she had suffered from "mental stress" in her original claim to the club. Lyon was exonerated by a Dockers internal investigation at the time which found no validity or grounds for the case.

However, the woman, who had not worked at the club for years, and her lawyer last year lodged a claim through Workcover and won a payout through the club's insurance, which Fairfax Media reported as a low five-figure sum. There has since been a report the woman was paid at least $100,000, according to sources close to her, adding to claims there had been hush money and increasing criticism over the AFL's handling of the issue.

The Age has decided not to name the woman. The AFL's integrity unit investigated last year and was comfortable with the decision reached between the parties.

The AFL insists it does not know the size of the settlement because it was a confidential agreement between the Dockers and the woman through Workcover.

Fremantle and AFL have resisted publicly naming the club official because of the confidentiality clauses in its respect and responsibility policy, and Lyon has not responded directly to questioning for the same reason. It's understood Lyon also claims not to know the amount of the settlement because of the agreement between the woman and the club.

He will coach the Dockers against Richmond at the MCG on Sunday and can expect to again be questioned about the issue in his post-match press conference.

The Dockers did not respond for comment on Saturday.

News Corp media has reported the woman alleges that Lyon had said he liked her "budding boobs" at the club function several years ago. She was two months pregnant at the time.

However, friends of Lyon claim he did not say that, that his comments were made among a group of people, including assistant coaches, that there had been no sexual connotations and he did not follow her around at the event. Fairfax Media had reported Lyon's comments were about the woman's attire.

There are claims, however, according to News Corp, that some of the conversation was recorded. This has sparked questions as to why there had been a need for a recording.

The Dockers may have a case to take the woman to court for breach of confidentiality, according to legal experts, even if it had been a source close to her who had leaked information to the media.

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said on Friday he had to "trust the process" under the league's upgraded respect and responsibility policy, which is a "complainant-centric model".

The confidentiality issue has sparked claims the woman received hush money, but McLachlan said there were "often" financial settlements in general workplace issues.

Port Adelaide player Sam Powell-Pepper was last month suspended for three matches by the AFL for a late-night incident involving a woman. This had been investigated by the AFL's integrity unit under its respect and responsibility policy. The woman involved has not been publicly identified.

 

[Joao]

SEN made a claim.
Don’t twist facts to suit your ends.

So we agree then, your initial quote was wrong.

Your original quote:
"AFL made that claim"

 

[dockshark]

SEN made a claim.
Don’t twist facts to suit your ends.

So to clear this up, SEN made a claim that has turned out to be incorrect, and that means the club is lying about it. Is that right?

 

[Joao]

The AFL insists it was not a party to the financial settlement reached with the woman at the centre of the Ross Lyon harassment claim, with the money instead being paid as a result of a Workcover claim.

Fairfax Media this week revealed coach Ross Lyon had been the Fremantle official who had been accused of making an inappropriate comment to former junior club staffer several years ago at a Christmas function.

Fairfax Media understands the woman said she had suffered from "mental stress" in her original claim to the club. Lyon was exonerated by a Dockers internal investigation at the time which found no validity or grounds for the case.

However, the woman, who had not worked at the club for years, and her lawyer last year lodged a claim through Workcover and won a payout through the club's insurance, which Fairfax Media reported as a low five-figure sum. There has since been a report the woman was paid at least $100,000, according to sources close to her, adding to claims there had been hush money and increasing criticism over the AFL's handling of the issue.

The Age has decided not to name the woman. The AFL's integrity unit investigated last year and was comfortable with the decision reached between the parties.

The AFL insists it does not know the size of the settlement because it was a confidential agreement between the Dockers and the woman through Workcover.

Fremantle and AFL have resisted publicly naming the club official because of the confidentiality clauses in its respect and responsibility policy, and Lyon has not responded directly to questioning for the same reason. It's understood Lyon also claims not to know the amount of the settlement because of the agreement between the woman and the club.

He will coach the Dockers against Richmond at the MCG on Sunday and can expect to again be questioned about the issue in his post-match press conference.

The Dockers did not respond for comment on Saturday.

News Corp media has reported the woman alleges that Lyon had said he liked her "budding boobs" at the club function several years ago. She was two months pregnant at the time.

However, friends of Lyon claim he did not say that, that his comments were made among a group of people, including assistant coaches, that there had been no sexual connotations and he did not follow her around at the event. Fairfax Media had reported Lyon's comments were about the woman's attire.

There are claims, however, according to News Corp, that some of the conversation was recorded. This has sparked questions as to why there had been a need for a recording.

The Dockers may have a case to take the woman to court for breach of confidentiality, according to legal experts, even if it had been a source close to her who had leaked information to the media.

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said on Friday he had to "trust the process" under the league's upgraded respect and responsibility policy, which is a "complainant-centric model".

The confidentiality issue has sparked claims the woman received hush money, but McLachlan said there were "often" financial settlements in general workplace issues.

Port Adelaide player Sam Powell-Pepper was last month suspended for three matches by the AFL for a late-night incident involving a woman. This had been investigated by the AFL's integrity unit under its respect and responsibility policy. The woman involved has not been publicly identified.

I think that is the one I can access. Either that or it has the same content.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So we agree then, your initial quote was wrong.

Your original quote:
"AFL made that claim"

I was correct. SEN claimed it.

 

[peppy la pew]

it just goes to show the behaviour essendon supporters showed wasnt some unique to their club. for all the shit they copped from freo fans, we are now seeing they really are no different.

fact is any controversial matter that has the club shown in a negative light will be defended by supporters regardless of if their stance is right or wrong.

Tell us all Deflecto what exactly happened at the xmas function

i guarantee you everyone would love to know

Instead of getting your knickers in a twist every time Freo or RTB is mentioned, tell us all what actually happened ?

Unbelievable that someone can get so wound up over a rumour

 

[Bender_]

If the Rumours are true and Ross is about to step down this is an indictment on the PC crowd...it was a freaking comment. The only thing harmed was some emo millennial's feelings.

Typical Freagle apologist.

 

[Slartibartfast]

So to clear this up, SEN made a claim that has turned out to be incorrect, and that means the club is lying about it. Is that right?

I know the afl have been caught out.
Never mentioned fFC.
You guys are hyper sensitive.

 

[silverscope]

It has been reported . Get over it.
If you chose to call a particular media outlet liars , do it and move on.
Don’t expect big footy posters to justify media comments.

The issue is the media are the ones who reported that it was a work cover issue. Not FFC. Not AFL House.

Now the media come out and say it was never reported to work cover. They then try to put that mistake onto FFC and AFL House. Instead of owning up and saying we got it wrong or our sources were wrong.

That's the issue. The Media probably didn't "lie" on purpose but they were probably fed the wrong information and then before actually fact checking the info they ran with it to try and increase clicks/views.

Now they try to back track while saying that FFC/AFL mislead them to try, again, to get more clicks/views.


It seems a lot of people, some from both sides of the discussion, lack the awareness to fully comprehend what the Media are doing here.

 

[Joao]

I was correct. SEN claimed it.

So if I go and pick a random media outlet and read something I can assume it is correct? Or does it only apply to SEN?

Come one man/woman, not sure why you are so invested in this but tap out.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I think that is the one I can access. Either that or it has the same content.

Thanks anyway.

This is the other one


Despite the lack of public detail surrounding the harassment case involving Fremantle coach Ross Lyon, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan is adamant the handling of the matter has been transparent.

According to McLachlan, this relates to the process associated with those dealing with the complaint, from the complainant to the perpetrator and the bodies that investigated the matter, namely WorkCover and the AFL Integrity Unit.

After months of speculation, it was revealed this week that Lyon was the senior Fremantle official named in a complaint to WorkCover over an inappropriate comment made to a colleague at a Christmas party. It has been reported the woman, who no longer works at Fremantle, received a five-figure payment as part of a confidential settlement.

Both the AFL and the Dockers reacted to the outing of Lyon by releasing a statement that did not identify him.

At a subsequent media conference ahead of the Dockers’ clash with Richmond tomorrow, the Fremantle coach referred repeatedly to the AFL’s Respect and Responsibility Policy when reiterating he was constrained by what he could say. McLachlan was at pains yesterday to stress there is a difference between confidentiality and suppressing information related to cases of workplace harassment.

He said even in cases where the details of the complaint remained private, as occurred in the Lyon matter, he believed there was transparency.

“Public information is different from transparency about the issue and playing it out,” he said.

“There is a transparency in terms of the people actually charged with getting resolution, whether that be the police, the … chief executive or the board who have responsibility for the workplace. It is actually accountability for those in charge of the issue rather than this needing to be in the paper to have process.”

McLachlan said the AFL needed to ensure the victim’s identity was protected and said naming perpetrators “may” put that at risk.

“I think part of that goes back to protecting the confidentiality of the complainant by also making those who the allegations are made against, suppressing or keeping that confidential,” he said.

But he acknowledged that it would be “clearly appropriate and fair” if the complainant in a matter wanted to publicly identify the perpetrator in the matter.

Amid criticism of the league’s policy this week, McLachlan said it was designed by external experts and overseen by Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins.

“I have to take their advice. I have to trust the process,” he told 3AW in Melbourne.

Jenkins, who led a review of the league’s policy in 2016, wrote in an opinion piece published by Fairfax Media this week that “we need to stop talking about so-called ‘hush-money’ ”.

She wrote it was “unhelpful and potentially damaging to have daily public reporting of names and individual details of a particular complaint”.

Jenkins wrote that publicity associated with claims was a deterrent for women wanting to make a complaint and that there were no particular concerns associated with payments of money in confidential settlements.

McLachlan, meanwhile, expressed sympathy for retired Collingwood star Dane Swan after a video of him involved in a compromising position with a woman was released on the internet without his permission

 

[Vikingblood]

Show us some facts about the situation. All we here at the moment are rumors so until we know the full story there are two sides. One wanting Ross' head on a stick and the others defending him.

Pretty standard discussion here on bigfooty until the full facts come out.



That's even if there is a video of it. Sources say, rumor has it. Until we see it it's all just fluff.

I agree with you. Just stating that if there is video, that will play a large part in the outcome.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The issue is the media are the ones who reported that it was a work cover issue. Not FFC. Not AFL House.

Now the media come out and say it was never reported to work cover. They then try to put that mistake onto FFC and AFL House. Instead of owning up and saying we got it wrong or our sources were wrong.

That's the issue. The Media probably didn't "lie" on purpose but they were probably fed the wrong information and then before actually fact checking the info they ran with it to try and increase clicks/views.

Now they try to back track while saying that FFC/AFL mislead them to try, again, to get more clicks/views.


It seems a lot of people, some from both sides of the discussion, lack the awareness to fully comprehend what the Media are doing here.

It’s all clear to me.
It was reported that aFl said workcover was involved in payment.
Work cover denied any involvement in payment.
AFl was caught out telling porkys

 

[ChesterTreasure]

Yep, Whately got stuck right in when Lyon jumped ship. Was going on about him being duplicitous, unethical etc

Lyon was headhunted and took an offer too good to refuse, the media Australia wide had NFI what was going on behind closed doors

RTB is frosty with all media reps but he has a special place reserved in the hate list for Whately

Didn't Whately do exactly the same thing to the ABC - was headhunted and left for an offer too good to refuse ?

 

[Slartibartfast]

So if I go and pick a random media outlet and read something I can assume it is correct? Or does it only apply to SEN?

Come one man/woman, not sure why you are so invested in this but tap out.

Haha, you asked me where I saw this mentioned and ever since I told you you have been bleating like a stuck pig.
Stop holding posters responsible for media comments.

 

[dockshark]

It’s all clear to me.
It was reported that aFl said workcover was involved in payment.
Work cover denied any involvement in payment.
AFl was caught out telling porkys

Or it was reported incorrectly.

 

[Joao]

This is the other one


Despite the lack of public detail surrounding the harassment case involving Fremantle coach Ross Lyon, AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan is adamant the handling of the matter has been transparent.

According to McLachlan, this relates to the process associated with those dealing with the complaint, from the complainant to the perpetrator and the bodies that investigated the matter, namely WorkCover and the AFL Integrity Unit.

After months of speculation, it was revealed this week that Lyon was the senior Fremantle official named in a complaint to WorkCover over an inappropriate comment made to a colleague at a Christmas party. It has been reported the woman, who no longer works at Fremantle, received a five-figure payment as part of a confidential settlement.

Both the AFL and the Dockers reacted to the outing of Lyon by releasing a statement that did not identify him.

At a subsequent media conference ahead of the Dockers’ clash with Richmond tomorrow, the Fremantle coach referred repeatedly to the AFL’s Respect and Responsibility Policy when reiterating he was constrained by what he could say. McLachlan was at pains yesterday to stress there is a difference between confidentiality and suppressing information related to cases of workplace harassment.

He said even in cases where the details of the complaint remained private, as occurred in the Lyon matter, he believed there was transparency.

READ MORE

*Can't get the rest

Cheers.

So effectively the media is angry at the AFL and Fremantle because the media said it was a workcover lodgement and it turns out it wasn't.

Completely irrelevant in the big scheme of things. Either something that happened was immoral/illegal and at which point this sort of semantics will be lost in the detail.

Selfishly I almost wish the club would just come out and sack him so I can get back to the footy part of being a supporter, but the is supremely unfair if this is just a media beat up.

 

[peppy la pew]

Seems a bit much for just a lewd remark hey?

Exactly, and that is why all Freo supporters want the press to put up or STFU

It started with a throwaway inappropriate comment about her dress

To lewd comments about budding boobies, and following her around all night like a creep

To a sexual assault

Now a video that proves ????????

Yesterday we were told by the journos a presser was happening at 3:00pm

Goosage reported that an emergency meeting between board members was held off site last night with the announcement of RTB leaving today, presser will be at 9:00am

And here we are still with nothing, I don't get it

 

[Slartibartfast]

Or it was reported incorrectly.

AFL has been silent, it is deafening.
They should come out and clarify as it is been discussed in media.

 

[silverscope]

Lyon was exonerated by a Dockers internal investigation at the time which found no validity or grounds for the case.

The AFL's integrity unit investigated last year and was comfortable with the decision reached between the parties.

I know this article is a week or so old now but to me the above says Case Closed.

Why reopen old wounds if not for pure revenge on the part of the media? (Not directed at you rfctiger btw)