Strategy Round 1, 2014

[Tulip]

Evans had, like, two good games last season and showed he could run quick in the rest of them. We all have our favourites (Davis ), but you could mount a very convincing argument that Byrnes was better than Evans last year. It was just expectation that made Evans look better.

Also, are you freaking kidding me. You berate Neeld and his staff for every decision that they made, but then cite his bizarre, contractually bound, elevation as evidence that he is best 22.

Where does he fit in, exactly?

 

[Tulip]

Sometimes I think this place gets as bad as Demonland, then I read their Terlich thread where the majority of posters think that he is a liability and that Clisby is well ahead of him.

 

[CTHORANGE]

Evans had, like, two good games last season and showed he could run quick in the rest of them. We all have our favourites (Davis ), but you could mount a very convincing argument that Byrnes was better than Evans last year. It was just expectation that made Evans look better.

Also, are you freaking kidding me. You berate Neeld and his staff for every decision that they made, but then cite his bizarre, contractually bound, elevation as evidence that he is best 22.

Where does he fit in, exactly?

Yeh it was bizarre, Evans must have a bloody good manager!

 

[Tulip]

Yeh it was bizarre, Evans must have a bloody good manager!

I blame poor administration.

 

[CTHORANGE]

I blame poor administration.

No arguments there!

 

[Tulip]

No arguments there!

Seriously though, read and weep http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35642-dean-terlich-good-player-or-defensive-liability/

 

[SuburbanMe]

Evans had, like, two good games last season and showed he could run quick in the rest of them. We all have our favourites (Davis ), but you could mount a very convincing argument that Byrnes was better than Evans last year. It was just expectation that made Evans look better.

Also, are you freaking kidding me. You berate Neeld and his staff for every decision that they made, but then cite his bizarre, contractually bound, elevation as evidence that he is best 22.

Where does he fit in, exactly?

Who are you talking to?

 

[CTHORANGE]

Seriously though, read and weep http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35642-dean-terlich-good-player-or-defensive-liability/

I like Terlich, like many pointed out his disposal can be erratic, but with a bit of work and a better game plan to work with, I reckon he could be a solid mid sized defender for awhile. Gives everything and isn't going to die wondering. Someone in that forum said Strauss is stronger than Terlich... wtf

I don't mind Clisby either, so with Grimes, Clisby, Terlich and a couple of others fighting for half back positions, I think it's good, I'd pick Terlich before Clisby at this stage. I wonder if any of these guys can become midfielders, Grimes seemingly not because he needs to be behind the ball, but I wonder if Terlich and Clisby could run through the midfield too?

 

[Tulip]

Who are you talking to?

Just a general wrap for the last few posts mate.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Terlich can't defend for shit at the moment, chuck him as a HBF/mid and he'll do well - not on the oppositions best small though.

Probably unfairly judged though, considering he'd only played one year as a defender before his AFL year - hopefully he doesn't leak as many goals.

 

[The Professor]

Seriously though, read and weep http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35642-dean-terlich-good-player-or-defensive-liability/

a bit negative then i thought but there is an element of truth to it.

Terlich has many positives but he needs to tighten up. That's his first job. turnovers are also an issue but as I've mentioned it isn't his fault all the time ie upfield.

Posters have mentioned he has been a highlight. Citing a top 3 b n f. We were a 2-20 team last year. If Terlich finishes top 5 again, we will be a 2-20 team again.

I've been unfair on Terlich as I haven't accounted that he will improve this preseason but have with Trengove, Watts. That is unfair. Hope he does improve defensively.

But Terlich at his best will always be a player 16-21. He is the standard what a role player should be.

Byrnes is not.

 

[master bate]

Page 12 - repeat of the Terlich stuff on demonland. Flick to page 11 and it's Evans bashing.

Seriously Pickles Evans might not be a star but he competes hard, can win the ball on the ground, in the air and run to space. His kicking under pressure falters but when in time and space is fine. Whether he's best 22 or not is irrelevant. He's 21, had a few injuries and has time to develop. He's training in the main group and running well which points to a good strong season ahead.

On to Byrnes I think his best attribute is his ability to get to the right spots forward of the ball. Not so much as a great crumber but to just time his leads and running to find space. If he's doing that and finishing well (he loves to kick points) then I'm not against him being in the team. So far I haven't seen much of him at preseason, but then again I haven't seen Blease or Kent much either and Tapscott is stuck on continuous lap running. The current reality is it seems to be a race to avoid being our starting specialist small forward. The positive of that is more game time for developing midfielders.

 

[Blackas87]

Mark Neeld elevated him with no games experience. He also signed Pedo to a 3 year deal and drafted Tom Gillies...

He also signed Shannon Byrnes

 

[Scrads]

Hey guys, just want a couple of opinions on some guys for a long-term fantasy-style game I play.

a) Cameron Pedersen- Have noticed he is in basically no ones teams (have checked only the last 3 pages) I am gathering this means he will mostly likely be stuck in the VFL next year? He is currently on my list, should I consider delisting him?

b) Jack Fitzpatrick- He is an un-drafted player and I am considering grabbing him in our rookie draft as ruck cover. Have seen him in a couple of teams and been briefly mentioned, how many games would you say he gets next year? I get that it might be difficult to fit him in with Clark, Hogan and Dawes but I have read that he would be the preferred second ruck.

c) Mitch Clisby- Another un-drafted player I will be considering. Not in many teams despite a good look at the end of last season. Pushed out by all the new recruits?

d) Michael Evans- Same as Clisby.

Thanks for any thoughts

 

[Tulip]

Hey guys, just want a couple of opinions on some guys for a long-term fantasy-style game I play.

a) Cameron Pedersen- Have noticed he is in basically no ones teams (have checked only the last 3 pages) I am gathering this means he will mostly likely be stuck in the VFL next year? He is currently on my list, should I consider delisting him?

b) Jack Fitzpatrick- He is an un-drafted player and I am considering grabbing him in our rookie draft as ruck cover. Have seen him in a couple of teams and been briefly mentioned, how many games would you say he gets next year? I get that it might be difficult to fit him in with Clark, Hogan and Dawes but I have read that he would be the preferred second ruck.

c) Mitch Clisby- Another un-drafted player I will be considering. Not in many teams despite a good look at the end of last season. Pushed out by all the new recruits?

d) Michael Evans- Same as Clisby.

Thanks for any thoughts

1. Pedo is a certain drop - resident punching bag.
2. Fitzy is 4th choice tall forward, where 2 of the first 3 are often injured. Pick him up.
3. Clisby will probably play, Roos type of player.
4. Evans is fighting for the 22nd spot.

 

[Captain Jack]

Hey guys, just want a couple of opinions on some guys for a long-term fantasy-style game I play.

a) Cameron Pedersen- Have noticed he is in basically no ones teams (have checked only the last 3 pages) I am gathering this means he will mostly likely be stuck in the VFL next year? He is currently on my list, should I consider delisting him?

b) Jack Fitzpatrick- He is an un-drafted player and I am considering grabbing him in our rookie draft as ruck cover. Have seen him in a couple of teams and been briefly mentioned, how many games would you say he gets next year? I get that it might be difficult to fit him in with Clark, Hogan and Dawes but I have read that he would be the preferred second ruck.

c) Mitch Clisby- Another un-drafted player I will be considering. Not in many teams despite a good look at the end of last season. Pushed out by all the new recruits?

d) Michael Evans- Same as Clisby.

Thanks for any thoughts

I would say none of those blokes are in the Best (Least Worst) 22 at the start of the year. However I reckon Fitz and Clisby would be worth a look. Fitz should play a decent number of games, as you say, as a second ruck mainly. I would expect him to rotate through the side with Hogan, possibly based on tactics and matchups. That said, if Clark and Dawes continue to be as brittle as they have been, he's the first in line for a spot up forward and as second ruck.
Similar for Clisby - I would have Terlich and Grimes ahead of him for the smallish defender/rebound role, but he should get a few games at least.
Evans, meh... had two good games last year but is unaccountable on the wing and doesn't have amazing skills or speed. Given the amount of midfielders we have brought in, I imagine he would be down the pecking order.
Pedersen - spud. Backup tall defender, will get a game at some point but he's just not worth the pain.

 

[Scrads]

Thanks for the advice guys

 

[Andy_Mac]

Evans had, like, two good games last season and showed he could run quick in the rest of them. We all have our favourites (Davis ), but you could mount a very convincing argument that Byrnes was better than Evans last year. It was just expectation that made Evans look better.

Also, are you freaking kidding me. You berate Neeld and his staff for every decision that they made, but then cite his bizarre, contractually bound, elevation as evidence that he is best 22.

Where does he fit in, exactly?

Finally. Some sanity.

FFS people lauding Kent as some sort of rare gem... He's a fat, raw 18 that payed with a bit of heart. Jimmy Bartel he ain't. Perspective people.

 

[Andy_Mac]

He also got Jesse Hogan, Mitch Clark, Dean Terlich, and Chis Dawes.

So what's your point?

My point is he was unceremoniously frog marched out of town for farking this club up. His stamp has less value than well basically everything...

 

[Andy_Mac]

He also signed Shannon Byrnes

Was the best value player he signed in the 2012 offseason.

 

[Turky]

This may be perhaps the most ridiculous thing that you have heard. But...
Jetta has an outstanding disposal efficiency of 86.4% which would be great for a team of only 70% disposal efficiency his composure and accuracy are elite even in the AFL. Those elite skills could be greatly efficient within helping setting up the play behind the centre square, it would also be greatly effective within ensuring the ball is in safe hands in the defensive 50 therefore making it more likely it'll be able to clear the defensive 50 and make sure that it is to a layer which will greatly help set up play of half back.

50% of Jettas' possessions are all contested. This is another area in which Melbourne Is lacking especially. With Melbourne having the least amount of contested possessions in 2013. And although 50% of Jettas' possessions are all contested he can still dish of disposals under a contested situation with a disposal efficiency of 86.4% (the highest disposal efficieny at Melbourne).

Jetta also averages 4 tackles a game the third highest amount of any demons player. But if you take Sylvia out of the equation Jetta becomes the player with the second highest tackle average. Although this isn't a stat that Melbourne are particularly weak in they are still the eleventh in the league for most tackles. So it always helps to have another player who can dish out a decent amount of tackles. And due to Jetta also being able to play forward and back it also means that he can create great pressure in the forward 50. Something that is detrimental to the modern game. Or it could also be used to slow down the pace of opposition attempting to flood the forward 50 and slow the opposition down even if it isn't caught holding the ball they still have to stop and set up all over again due to the stoppage that the tackle had created.

I'm not suggesting that he'll be in the first 22 but am I the only one that thinks he can become a regular half way through the season if he has some great VFL form?


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[Captain Jack]

Problem with Jetta is that he only gets the ball 10 times a game. Just doesn't get involved enough or consistently enough.

Apart from that, yeah I do reckon he could be a good small defender for us - as you say, he has good skills and is a hard nut.

 

[hulkhogan1]

Terlich stuffed up his disposals so much last year, because the ball was in the back half most of the damn game, practically every single game. Bit tough on him for his first ywar. If he cleans up his disposals, and with less ball-time in the back half which would take a bit of pressure on him and our other backs, he'll definitely be best 22.

 

[SuburbanMe]

My point is he was unceremoniously frog marched out of town for farking this club up. His stamp has less value than well basically everything...

So you flog him for his stuff ups, but give no credit for the quality guys he brought in?

That a wee bit unfair isn't it? Also, He wasn't responsible for Farking up the club. The club has been Farked for years. Atleast Neeld traded in Some good players and got fitness levels up to where they should be. Try looking at the positives, makes life a tad easier.

Turky I think I'm one of only 5 jetta fans here. Your post was a good read, Thanks!

 

[Topkent]

I like jetta and terlich

Terlich was a star an anyone complaining about his disposal efficiency needs to learn more about footy
Id take terlich over jack watts at this point in time

And jetta has potential just needs more fitness I'd say