Discussion Round 10, 2016 – Indigenous Round: Photos and Discussion

[MKMatty]

Happy for it to get a two year rotation. Still a class looking jumper.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Norths Royal kit looks class under lights.

I've long been an advocate for a night jumper. It seems Hawthorn have done it by default, their brown jumper is basically reserved for Etihad and the night time Channel 7 matches. I always had a mental image of the navy wings in the Subiaco lights as well, and to this day I still think it looks a bit off in the sun, especially in Perth. I guess the issue with a club like North is that they petition hard for night time exposure to grow the club, and they want to do that in their historical and forever more jumper. Maybe for Foxtel games?

You're doing my head in Harry (along with the wine!), but I think I get what you're saying: if the white were black on both jumpers there would be less contrast & therefore they would clash.

You're always talking about the wine clouding your judgement... settle on the piss!

 

[hitthepost]

I will pay Freo's. I think ours (besides the main colour being yellow), is lip service. i hear what you are saying, but indigenous round is a once off and should be an opportunity each year for a new design giving a new artist a crack. Seems like our two clubs have just settled because it is easier. Gotta remember, WC don't have to do any work for members. We have a 15k waiting list lel, easiest job in the world.

WEST COAST
Designed by: Peter Farmer
Tells the story of the waalitj(wedge-tailed eagle), the strongest totem in Noongar culture. "My artwork includes tracks which connect to six freshwater sources throughout Western Australia," Farmer said. "Featured is an image of the waalitji painted ready for ceremony and attack."

(http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-24/all-the-indigenous-round-guernseys)

What's the difference between WCE's and Freo's? Either they're both lip-service coz they haven't changed, or they're both not.
They're both designed by indigenous artists, both have meaning to the designer, and both also link well with the club (boomerangs/chevrons and having an eagle-head).
There's two ways to go about this really - either make a new design each year, or stick with one so it becomes part of the club..."we have our home jumper (navy), our away jumper (royal), our clash jumper (white), our commemorating things jumper (yellow peril) and our Indigenous jumper".
Sure it means the supporters can't buy a new one every year but that's not really what these jumpers are about IMO...also not about memberships.

 

[hitthepost]

I've long been an advocate for a night jumper. It seems Hawthorn have done it by default, their brown jumper is basically reserved for Etihad and the night time Channel 7 matches. I always had a mental image of the navy wings in the Subiaco lights as well, and to this day I still think it looks a bit off in the sun, especially in Perth. I guess the issue with a club like North is that they petition hard for night time exposure to grow the club, and they want to do that in their historical and forever more jumper. Maybe for Foxtel games?

What do you wear in twilight games? Switch at half-time?
Or day games where it's really gray and dark and the lights are on?

 

[QS]

(http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-24/all-the-indigenous-round-guernseys)

What's the difference between WCE's and Freo's? Either they're both lip-service coz they haven't changed, or they're both not.
They're both designed by indigenous artists, both have meaning to the designer, and both also link well with the club (boomerangs/chevrons and having an eagle-head).
There's two ways to go about this really - either make a new design each year, or stick with one so it becomes part of the club..."we have our home jumper (navy), our away jumper (royal), our clash jumper (white), our commemorating things jumper (yellow peril) and our Indigenous jumper".
Sure it means the supporters can't buy a new one every year but that's not really what these jumpers are about IMO...also not about memberships.

Freo's looks better. A winged version of ours would be better.

 

[hitthepost]

Freo's looks better. A winged version of ours would be better.

So the lack of wings and the fact you like Freo's better makes it lip-service? That just means you don't like the design

 

[QS]

So the lack of wings and the fact you like Freo's better makes it lip-service? That just means you don't like the design

Not at all. Both clubs are just paying lip service, I just like theirs better aesthetically speaking. Ours just changed colour last year as has theirs. Both WA clubs have only had the one design. It's lazy. If most other clubs can manage to produce some ripper jumpers that blend into the usual design nicely (save for Hawthorn) I'm sure the WA clubs can too. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that view? West Coast (in particular) generally dont tend to put too much effort into these things imo.

Do you like ours?

 

[hitthepost]

Not at all. Both clubs are just paying lip service, I just like theirs better aesthetically speaking. Ours just changed colour last year as has theirs. Both WA clubs have only had the one design. It's lazy. If most other clubs can manage to produce some ripper jumpers that blend into the usual design nicely (save for Hawthorn) I'm sure the WA clubs can too. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that view? West Coast (in particular) generally dont tend to put too much effort into these things imo.

Do you like ours?

I understand that view I just disagree that having a solid jumper and keeping it is "lip service". In and of itself creating Indigenous jumpers is lip-service regardless of whether it's a new one every year or not. As part of a larger focus (NAIDOC Week, Indigenous rights, constitutional recognition, etc) it's a good part of it, regardless of whether it's a new one every year or not.

Freo's does blend into their usual design, or more correctly, it is based on their usual design. WCE's does somewhat too (eagle head).

Personally I love the WCE Indigenous design but I'm not sure the relevance either way really.

 

[Timewaster]

Saints vs Dockers both look good. Very recognisable club jumpers without resorting to cartoons or squiggles and dots everywhere. Fits the spirit of the round without being patronising

 

[The Cheesecake]

Saints vs Dockers both look good. Very recognisable club jumpers without resorting to cartoons or squiggles and dots everywhere. Fits the spirit of the round without being patronising

So the other jumpers that were designed by indigenous artists are 'patronising'?

 

[Timewaster]

So the other jumpers that were designed by indigenous artists are 'patronising'?

If the objective is to be "anything indigenous" rather than principally a club jumper, then yes, it's tokenism and it's patronising.

Hawthorn's effort has nothing to do with the guernsey, GC's looks like a 70s mumu - both are patronising. Dogs and Pies were pretty poor too.

There's a lot more to indigenous art than dots and squiggly lines, as North's effort showed.

Google St George's flame tree jersey for a really inspired effort that uses a modern approach and fits with the club design. The bar doesn't need to be set so low for this round... Believe it or not, there are indigenous people who can design and paint in any style you like, there's no need to be so blinkered

 

[Timewaster]

So the other jumpers that were designed by indigenous artists are 'patronising'?

Do you think anything by an indigenous artists should be praised, regardless of outcome? I assume so, or you wouldn't have raised the ethnicity of the artist. That's almost the definition of patronising.

 

[The Cheesecake]

Do you think anything by an indigenous artists should be praised, regardless of outcome? I assume so, or you wouldn't have raised the ethnicity of the artist. That's almost the definition of patronising.

Lol wtf? Do you even know what patronising means? Stop blabbering.

 

[Gibbsy]

Hawthorn's effort has nothing to do with the guernsey, GC's looks like a 70s mumu - both are patronising. Dogs and Pies were pretty poor too.

By that token I would have thought you'd have liked the Pies' effort considering it doesn't stray too far from their normal jumper?

 

[hitthepost]

There's a lot more to indigenous art than dots and squiggly lines, as North's effort showed.

North's was just squiggly lines that squiggled at right-angles...

 

[QS]

I understand that view I just disagree that having a solid jumper and keeping it is "lip service". In and of itself creating Indigenous jumpers is lip-service regardless of whether it's a new one every year or not. As part of a larger focus (NAIDOC Week, Indigenous rights, constitutional recognition, etc) it's a good part of it, regardless of whether it's a new one every year or not.

Freo's does blend into their usual design, or more correctly, it is based on their usual design. WCE's does somewhat too (eagle head).

Personally I love the WCE Indigenous design but I'm not sure the relevance either way really.

Agree to disagree. Least Adelaide's looks nice. I would have preferred a freshen up of ours considering you could buy the exact same thing at JK Sports 3 months ago from 2015 for $49.95.

 

[hitthepost]

Agree to disagree. Least Adelaide's looks nice. I would have preferred a freshen up of ours considering you could buy the exact same thing at JK Sports 3 months ago from 2015 for $49.95.

Being able to buy these jumpers is one of the least important parts of them IMO. If that's why they need a new one every year they've got the idea of the whole round wrong.

 

[akkaps]

Why did Heritage Round fail? Are the AFL going down the same path?

 

[hitthepost]

Why did Heritage Round fail? Are the AFL going down the same path?

Heritage Round failed because the AFL started putting eras in and some teams couldn't compete.
What could WCE BL Adelaide Freo wear when they decided it was "back to the 70s round)? There was a year where PA wore normal jumpers because the PB wasn't allowed or something as well.

What would GWS and GC wear for any heritage round at present? GC could bring back the wave to commemorate their first win. GWS I'm pretty sure wore their current jumper for their first win. With so many young franchises at present it's a hard one for all clubs to be involved in.

 

[akkaps]

Heritage Round failed because the AFL started putting eras in and some teams couldn't compete.
What could WCE BL Adelaide Freo wear when they decided it was "back to the 70s round)? There was a year where PA wore normal jumpers because the PB wasn't allowed or something as well.

What would GWS and GC wear for any heritage round at present? GC could bring back the wave to commemorate their first win. GWS I'm pretty sure wore their current jumper for their first win. With so many young franchises at present it's a hard one for all clubs to be involved in.

So as you're suggesting above with the indigenous jumpe, stick with one jumper for consecutive years. It wouldn't need to be changed every year.

 

[hitthepost]

So as you're suggesting above with the indigenous jumpe, stick with one jumper for consecutive years. It wouldn't need to be changed every year.

Until the AFL starts making it 60s round then 80s round and some clubs didn't exist then or had different jumpers in different eras.
With Indigenous Round there's no issue with that happening...although some feel it's lazy to keep the same guernsey.

 

[Timewaster]

Lol wtf? Do you even know what patronising means? Stop blabbering.

Lazy ad-hom comment. I assume you've got nothing on topic? Nice virtue signalling though.

 

[Timewaster]

By that token I would have thought you'd have liked the Pies' effort considering it doesn't stray too far from their normal jumper?

Fair point, looking at it again the Pies effort is pretty decent

 

[Timewaster]

North's was just squiggly lines that squiggled at right-angles...

True, but different from their previous efforts and still looks like North. Solid effort I thought

 

[hitthepost]

True, but different from their previous efforts and still looks like North. Solid effort I thought

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on Adelaide's then. It's clearly not based on their hoops but it's still pretty obviously Crows.
Similarly WCE's, it's not like you're gonna see it and not be sure which team it is, even though it's not got any part of their normal guernseys.