Preview Round 10, 2024: St.Kilda v Fremantle - Marvel Stadium - Saturday 18th May, 7.30pm AEST

[sauce_head]

Do you think Harvey isn’t instructing Max he needs to lead more, crash packs more, and not sit out the back of packs looking for the cheap jump at the ball from behind the play?

I’d also be certain he’s instructing him to chase and tackle. Crickey if Max can read them surely he knows what a ZERO looks like on a stat sheet next to tackle and defensive effort and pressure acts.

Not sure coaching is Max’s issue although the Pou probably disagrees

Yeah I am a bit skeptical on the Harvey can’t coach forwards because he didn’t play there. But I understand why people think it. It’s an evocative argument. The better question might be whether or not he can coach at all?

By the above logic, Chris Fagan can’t coach AFL because he never played AFL as a player. Not hearing much of that (well maybe it’s started this year given how they are going!)…

 

[gringo2011]

A couple of years before, not within a couple of years.

Lyon is building for a sustainable future, Richo wasn't building anything

Lyon is building to a plan rather than just hoping that everything will work out. What we don't know is if he's up to date with what he's building.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

The Boss isn’t very cuddly today. Extremely vocal and running the drills for a change.

Lost the faith in his assistants?

 

[The Punter]

Yeah I am a bit skeptical on the Harvey can’t coach forwards because he didn’t play there. But I understand why people think it. It’s an evocative argument. The better question might be whether or not he can coach at all?

By the above logic, Chris Fagan can’t coach AFL because he never played AFL as a player. Not hearing much of that (well maybe it’s started this year given how they are going!)…

For the record that is not my logic. Harvey has proven he is a good coach of midfielders and midfields - ask Collingwood. I don't care where he played during his AFL career.

I just don't think he has a proven record as a forward coach, and we are struggling to kick goals.

 

[Ads734]

Missed the start of the session but presume it was craft stuff. From the match play.

Precitded side

Webster Howard Wilkie
Nas Battel Bonner
Wood Steele Hill
Wilson Camaniti Henry
Owens King Paton

Marshal Windy Sinclair

Interchange
Stocker Dow Pou Ross (Garcia Sub)

Also I am really hopeful of Keeler as a CHB.
Think the change has been great and he has picked it up super quickly. I also think that he has so many weapons to be a really incredible talent. He can be an interceptor and a runing defender which is crazy considering how big he is. He is a gorgeous kick on both feet. I just hope we bite the bullet and give him a game soon.

 

[kick it lace out]

The Boss isn’t very cuddly today. Extremely vocal and running the drills for a change.\

The Boss isn’t very cuddly today. Extremely vocal and running the drills for a change.

He certainly seemed frustrated. At one stage he yelled at Sincs & Windy, "Sincs, Windy fu..ken number off and tighten up".

There's no doubt he's running the show today.

The session seemed a bit flat.

I reckon no Stocker this week. He was in the rehab group and went off early.

I know Pou is in a bit of a form slump at the moment, but it's not through lack of application. The kid is our most professional in terms of application and attitude. He's a winner and probably harder on himself than others are on him.

Steele participating in main training with no strapping on his knee.

Stocker, Crouch & Clarke all training.

 

[Cairnsman]

Yeah I am a bit skeptical on the Harvey can’t coach forwards because he didn’t play there. But I understand why people think it. It’s an evocative argument. The better question might be whether or not he can coach at all?

By the above logic, Chris Fagan can’t coach AFL because he never played AFL as a player. Not hearing much of that (well maybe it’s started this year given how they are going!)…

Yes the coach is to blame argument sells media, the media condition us to choose who to blame, we oblige.

Sheeples!

 

[Cairnsman]

Apportioning responsibility and scapegoating aren't the same thing. We have a wonderful coach of midfielders and midfields in Harvey - only he's coaching the forwards and someone new to line coaching is doing the mids. It might bear fruit, but they have responsibility for the performance of the areas which they coach.

Max has an attitude problem, he drops his bundle way too easily, I’d like to think the young fella is taking accountability for that, maybe he should watch some replays of Harvey and how he handled things when the going got tough.

 

[Cairnsman]

I think you should cut him some slack here Cairsnman. He’s 2 games back from what seems like a knee injury serious enough to hamper his ability to cover the ground. He played 11 games last year for a return of 28 goals throughout persistent and serious shoulder injuries. 52 goals year before that from 22 games.

It’s pretty clear Max is more capable than his last 2 games, but no need to sink the knife in just yet. I absolutely get the criticism but no need to keep it on rinse and repeat continuously, give him a chance to pull some consistent footy together. They’re humans not robots.

That was in the past, I’m keen to see what he can do this weekend

It’s all good and well to be cruising when the going is easy, true champs come from having to deal with adversity and being resilient when the going gets tough.

He can start this week by doubling his effort and lay 1 tackle.

 

[Ads734]

He certainly seemed frustrated. At one stage he yelled at Sincs & Windy, "Sincs, Windy fu..ken number off and tighten up".

There's no doubt he's running the show today.

The session seemed a bit flat.

I reckon no Stocker this week. He was in the rehab group and went off early.

I know Pou is in a bit of a form slump at the moment, but it's not through lack of application. The kid is our most professional in terms of application and attitude. He's a winner and probably harder on himself than others are on him.

Steele participating in main training with no strapping on his knee.

Stocker, Crouch & Clarke all training.

Re Pou.
Ross basically said if he comes in it’ll be as a forward and if not he’ll continue to develop as a mid in the twos. Pretty reasonable imo.

 

[Sainter1873]

Sounds like Clark is in according to the presser, although his answer wasn’t clear.

 

[littlecreatures]

That was in the past, I’m keen to see what he can do this weekend

It’s all good and well to be cruising when the going is easy, true champs come from having to deal with adversity and being resilient when the going gets tough.

He can start this week by doubling his effort and lay 1 tackle.

The best indicator of future performance is past performance, so I respectfully disagree. That’s all good and well, but you are largely apportioning scrutiny and blame on one player, rather than the breadth of the team in a form slump, noting KPFs are usually victims of what happens up the ground.

 

[BrutThough]

Looks like Caminti will be in. Both Hayes and Membrey were on the B team so maybe both are dropped.

Paton was playing as a small forward on the A side so a role change for him.

Steele looked great today. Seems to be over the knee issue.

Stocker trained separately. Likely out you'd think. We had Sinclair splitting time between mid and defence so might not bring in a direct replace if he is out.

Crouch looked good - almost a bit slimmer than earlier in the year. Clark also looking good in the middle with some nice clearances.

King with some good contested marks in the drills/match sim.

As another poster already said, Phillipou is such a hard worker and is doing everything in how power to overcome the form slump. It will turn for him with the amount of effort he puts in.

 

[gringo2011]

we need better ones, agreed

McCluggage or Brayshaw over LDU

I'd almost consider giving up 2+ FDP's and a monumental chunk of cash to get a Finn Callahan or any other young mid that has those elite qualities

Callaghan is an absolute star but he's playing outside mid and wing mostly. LDU is a coalface mid which is what we need.

LDU regularly has like 15 contested possessions and 9 clearance games in one of the worst sides in footy.

 

[gringo2011]

For the record that is not my logic. Harvey has proven he is a good coach of midfielders and midfields - ask Collingwood. I don't care where he played during his AFL career.

I just don't think he has a proven record as a forward coach, and we are struggling to kick goals.

Assistant coaches and line coaches aren't necessarily specialist skills coaches. He's running drills and communicating the game plan to his group. The coaches will be sitting down together setting up a strategy, not Harves on his own.

If he's coached for this long he's doing something right. I'd say that structure would be very minimal these days with players peeling back and often only one player left inside attacking 50. The rest move up with the play to help out up field.

If we aren't converting or players aren't knowing where to lead we need specialist coaches not Harves teaching them.

 

[The Punter]

Max has an attitude problem, he drops his bundle way too easily, I’d like to think the young fella is taking accountability for that, maybe he should watch some replays of Harvey and how he handled things when the going got tough.

I'm sure Robert Harvey can instruct Max to watch replays of him.

To be fair, and I think this is highly unlikely, but if Banger's approach to Max is to tell him how good Banger was when he played, it's little wonder he's not getting through to him. But we all know Banger is modest to a fault.

I hope everybody at the club is taking accountability. BTW, wishing for a low draft pick to walk in the door and improve us is not taking accountability.

 

[Cairnsman]

The best indicator of future performance is past performance, so I respectfully disagree. That’s all good and well, but you are largely apportioning scrutiny and blame on one player, rather than the breadth of the team in a form slump, noting KPFs are usually victims of what happens up the ground.

pretty certain the topic of conversation I’m engaging is solely focused on Max.

focus grasshopper

 

[beside the seaside]

Callaghan is an absolute star but he's playing outside mid and wing mostly. LDU is a coalface mid which is what we need.

LDU regularly has like 15 contested possessions and 9 clearance games in one of the worst sides in footy.

What would you give up for LDU? Is two firsts too much?

 

[Cairnsman]

I'm sure Robert Harvey can instruct Max to watch replays of him.

To be fair, and I think this is highly unlikely, but if Banger's approach to Max is to tell him how good Banger was when he played, it's little wonder he's not getting through to him. But we all know Banger is modest to a fault.

I hope everybody at the club is taking accountability. BTW, wishing for a low draft pick to walk in the door and improve us is not taking accountability.

Hey come on keep it real, do you really think I meant for Harvey to instruct Max to watch his replays.

There was a point in there. I’ll be more direct, Max is prone to bruise fee footy, Zero tackles in too many games to mention, most of those as a result of him throwing his toys out of the cot when things don’t go his way.

If he’s going to become a champion of the game he needs to harden up his resilience significantly and through his problems in game like actual champions, true champion do. That’s what’s expected of him based on his draft position, and field position.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Assistant coaches and line coaches aren't necessarily specialist skills coaches. He's running drills and communicating the game plan to his group. The coaches will be sitting down together setting up a strategy, not Harves on his own.

If he's coached for this long he's doing something right. I'd say that structure would be very minimal these days with players peeling back and often only one player left inside attacking 50. The rest move up with the play to help out up field.

If we aren't converting or players aren't knowing where to lead we need specialist coaches not Harves teaching them.

Agreed. I've tried to say this, Harvey wouldn't be in charge of forward line strategy on his own and he's not going to be the one teaching Max how to lead for a footy.

Not sure if we have any specialist coaches on the payroll but getting one for our forwards wouldn't be a bad idea. What SOS was doing with the defenders but full time and for our forwards.

 

[The Punter]

Hey come on keep it real, do you really think I meant for Harvey to instruct Max to watch his replays.

There was a point in there. I’ll be more direct, Max is prone to bruise fee footy, Zero tackles in too many games to mention, most of those as a result of him throwing his toys out of the cot when things don’t go his way.

If he’s going to become a champion of the game he needs to harden up his resilience significantly and through his problems in game like actual champions, true champion do. That’s what’s expected of him based on his draft position, and field position.

And part of the coaching group's responsibility is to get Max to do what the team needs him to do.

It's Max's responsibility too. But if it is not the coaches' responsibility as well, I don't know why we have coaches.

 

[beside the seaside]

Sounds like Clark and Hammer in from the press conference. Dow maybe, Pou maybe.

Crouch to play VFL.

 

[Remboy]

I'm sure Robert Harvey can instruct Max to watch replays of him.

I'm not sure that will help. I watched plenty of replays of Harvey and it didn't help me.

 

[gringo2011]

And part of the coaching group's responsibility is to get Max to do what the team needs him to do.

It's Max's responsibility too. But if it is not the coaches' responsibility as well, I don't know why we have coaches.

He might be telling him what to do but he's not doing it.

 

[DougalHoward]

He certainly seemed frustrated. At one stage he yelled at Sincs & Windy, "Sincs, Windy fu..ken number off and tighten up".

There's no doubt he's running the show today.

The session seemed a bit flat.

I reckon no Stocker this week. He was in the rehab group and went off early.

I know Pou is in a bit of a form slump at the moment, but it's not through lack of application. The kid is our most professional in terms of application and attitude. He's a winner and probably harder on himself than others are on him.

Steele participating in main training with no strapping on his knee.

Stocker, Crouch & Clarke all training.

Is stock in the rehab group anything to do with the head knock he got last week?